User talk:IndianaJonesy

Xmas Ham

Hey, You must provide sources to include a major edit to an article. I am not doubting what you are saying, but the way you are doing these edits is wrong. Discuss this on the "Talk" page of the article and get consensus on how your information should be included. Keep in mind the thrust of the article is about "Christmas Ham" and your edit goes off on a tangent. Again, I am not doubting the truth of what you are saying, as it sounds logical to me too, just the way you are doing it. If you have any questions, please feel free to message me, and I will see what I can do.Jacksinterweb (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Would it not be better to have correct information instead of someone asking someone else to try and find a book (as earlier seems to have happened) to back up a claim already made but incorrect? Children tend to use this Wikipedia as reference. Now, imagine the grade when a child takes incorrect information from here - with his/her history book written, hopefully, by professionals telling otherwise. Alas nearest library with good enough referential books would be 200 miles away. I could order the books in question but that would take weeks and I would have to order a pile of them.

As civilization moved north habits too moved and gods changed names. Here on this article there is lots of talk about god Freyr who was the god of a savage culture that had not yet learned to write or read. In the south more civilized cultures already had domesticated the pig. Winter solstice has been celebrated for thousands of years. -Also pigs have been slaughtered for thousands of years, aroud the world. In the south/near east it was a dark time of year. Tammuz was considered to have been born during this time and the stories tell about how pigs were slaughtered in his honor.

The purpose of providing sources is to let readers know what you are saying is true, and where to find additional information. We can not just add information because we decide we have better information without backing it up. These are Wikipedia's rules, and something we all need to try to use to keep some order to things. Use the article's talk pages to discuss an issue before making major changes, but listen to other's views on the subject. This article has a very narrow scope, and remember that other articles may cover what you are saying (if not, then help create such an article). In the end the rules will win out, and you'll find it much easier to contribute if you work within the rules. Jacksinterweb (talk) 13:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes but the sources should be truthful too. One can find lots of sources to back just about anything up. I did add some info to the articles' discussion page. The info is there in order to have those who wrote stuff the earlier stuff would understand the matter, as I do not have enough time in the foreseeable future to find enough books to use in booknotes to make it professional-looking enough. Only noticed this while looking into very different matters that have to do with Christmas (which did not need correction btw) from several sources. People from Asia, Russia, etc. do not always celebrate Christmas and therefore they will probably believe whatever is written here. The people who used to live in the same places they live now in, most probably at some time in history have eaten ham during winter solstice - BEFORE the god Freyr (associated with human sacrifices etc.) - same applies to most Europeans, so this article is very limited in scope if only the god of one country is mentioned.

Christians have eaten ham during Christmas around Europe as well, but the habit in most of Europe is long forgotten.

Alas this whole page seems to be a joke, a joke that people from other cultures or children from any cannot understand: It says Christmas ham - but in reality is about a violent god that nationalists of one country like to support. The devotees of Freyr, an insignificant god of not many supporters, do not care about history.

Ham explained: What is a Christmas ham? The ham eaten duting Christmas. Once popular througout Europe but nowadays replaced by other Christmas dishes, which are considered to be better tasting by the people in most countries as habits have evolved since the middle ages.

Freyr explained

The devotees of Freyr claim origins of Christmas ham to have started at a specific time and place, both wrong. Why so? The nationalists, after nationstates emerged wanted to explain the international customs be somewhat local in order to gain support for their nationalist causes and thus they made up stories of how a specific custom would be local in origin. (Used to be so that people could wander around, no passports, no borders.) The modern-day counterparts of such nationalists, despite themselves knowing better than what they claim, now wish to do the same on an international scale: to explain that ham eating on Christmas came from a place that was only, most probably, populated a very long time after people already hams during the winter solstice. Some supported one god, some another, yet others none. --IndianaJonesy (talk) 17:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stonehenge+pig+bones&meta= Here is info about the pigs and stonehenge. Thanks for the bot and Merry Xmas to all.--IndianaJonesy (talk) 11:41, 22 December 2007 (UTC) Also just write tammuz christmas ham to find pages about tammuz and xmas ham. --IndianaJonesy (talk) 11:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007

Thank you for your contribution, but we are trying to write an encyclopedia here, so please keep your edits factual and neutral. Our readers are looking for serious articles and will not find joke edits amusing. Remember, millions of people read Wikipedia, so we have to take what we do here seriously. If you'd like to experiment with editing, use the Sandbox to get started. Thank you. Randomtime (talk) 17:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

No, you are not, you are helping to spread a religion. The Freyr-nonsense does not belong to an encyclopedia. Sacrificing to Freyr happened not only during Christmas but at other times as well and boars, not pigs were sacrificed, as well as humans. That is NOT, I repeat NOT something that has anything to do with a Christmas ham. See my earlier edits. --IndianaJonesy (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Also from another users edits, it is possible to see he or she asked other users to find books that support the false theory of Freyr and was against me being serious about the Christmas ham. I do not eat any ham during Christmas personally but am sad to see such a nice holiday, winter solstice being falsely regarded as a really violent time of human sacrifices, savage gods. It is not what I would like Children to read about Christmas, mostly regarded as a time of peace. --IndianaJonesy (talk) 17:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Am very busy now for a while and thus have no time to edit it back together so undid the edit by randomtime, please read my earlier edits if you want to make the article coherent.--IndianaJonesy (talk) 17:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)