User talk:Informationrestorer

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Hello, Informationrestorer, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Lender Processing Services, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted.

There's a page about creating articles you may want to read called Your first article. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

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Notability of Lender Processing Services

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The article Lender Processing Services has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article, which appeared to be about a real person, individual animal, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the notability of the subject may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.

Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and for specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for musicians, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

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More information as promised: there are two hurdles an article has to overcome if it is to be kept: to avoid speedy deletion it is necessary only to make "a credible claim of importance or significance", but an article may also be deleted by more deliberate processes unless its subject has notability, which is not a matter of opinion but needs to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Two other important content policies are Verifiability, which includes: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true" and WP:Neutral point of view. There is good advice on writing articles at WP:Your first article.

If you do not want to embark on the learning curve, you can post a request at WP:Requested articles, and someone else may pick up the idea; there is no guarantee of that, because Wikipedia is an all-volunteer project and articles get written only when someone is interested enough to do the work. Alternatively, you can re-submit a basic article including enough description of why the company is important or significant to avoid speedy deletion, and it may be that someone is interested enough to develop it. It would help its chances if you can add some references.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have mulled this over since you deleted my article, and I've come to really appreciate that your decision to delete was bizarre. Wikipedia has articles on the fluffiest popular nonsense that will pass in a week. Lender Processing Services is one of the major players in the mortgage industry that processes 80% of the foreclosures in the USA. So many Wikipedia pages contain inaccuracies, are poorly written. Why don't you target those, instead of blocking a new subject? There are articles about the smallest, insignificant companies. LPS has 3000 employees on the Jacksonville campus alone, with offices throughout the world.

We need to have something out there, a seed to start building a good page from. Half a year after your deletion, a replacement still does not exist. I don't know what your real motives are. I'm sure you're well established on Wikipedia and very knowledgeable, but I believe this deletion is inconsistent with openness and interferes with the community creative process that has allowed Wikipedia to be built.

I'm restoring it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Informationrestorer (talk • contribs) 14:58, 23 January 2011

You're welcome to do that, but it will save you trouble if you first read:

To repeat what I told you before: an article may be speedily deleted if it makes no credible claim of importance or significance for its subject, or if it is a blatant advertisement; it may be deleted by more deliberate processes if it does not establish notability by means of references which show "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

Another editor, Vikas200002000 (talk · contribs), posted an article about this company two days ago, but it was deleted because (a) it was a copyright violation from the company's LinkedIn entry, and (b) it was written in promotional terms: "leading provider ... high-performance technology... comprehensive offerings... award-winning services... " Wikipedia articles require a neutral point of view and claims like thatshould not be made unless they are cited to a reliable independent source - see WP:PEACOCK. JohnCD (talk) 23:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. LPS is 7th on Fintech's list of top 100 financial services providers in the world. (See http://finance.yahoo.com/news/LPS-Named-to-FinTech-100-List-prnews-3896938778.html?x=0&.v=1). That's not promotional, it's a fact. LPS has also been frequently in the news in a negative sense, as is the main processor of foreclosures in the US and is under some scrutiny due to a scandal about a company DocX that it aquired (google robosigning).

Your work to keep information about this 1.2 billion dollar company that is central to events in the mortgage market out of Wikipedia is in sharp contrast to the large number of fluffy and biased wikipedia pages about pop celebrities that are in the limelight for two weeks. That, I believe is the kind of information that has no place to be in Wikipedia. Having an entry on LPS, even a flawed one, would be a good starting point. It should be criticized and redacted, but not removed.

I believe you are motivated to keep LPS out of Wikipedia.