User talk:J3Mrs/Archive 15

Just wanted to say a nice thing, that though you and I have spatted, we agree that Eric Corbett is a net positive to wikipedia and a good editor worth keeping! Montanabw^(talk) 01:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Nothing to disagree with there. J3Mrs (talk) 11:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Certainly others have not shared this view. Glad that people who hold a variety of views on various issues can come together in support of a valued colleague. Montanabw^(talk) 20:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Caphouse

Hello, J3MRs. I apologise if my edit to Caphouse Colliery was incorrect. I was typing from memory that the men from Caphouse and Bullcliffe Wood were both moved to Denby Grange after the strike, but I can't find any decent source for this so I might have just imagined it. There is this article from the Yorkshire Post in 2007, but it reads as if they just copied the Wikipedia article at the time.

Did you live around there at the time and can you remember it closing? Or did you work there? Epa101 (talk) 12:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I have several coal mining related articles on my watchlist. Caphouse and the Prince of Wales at Midgeley were the pits owned by Denby Grange Collieries Ltd before they were nationalised. J3Mrs (talk) 14:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

How are you sure that it closed outright though?

Although this was definitely not my original source, one BBC list that I found suggests that it merged. It has a note at the end saying, Although there were 170 collieries open in 1984, several merged before they closed which is why there are only 152 entries on this list. Caphouse is not on the list, which suggests a merger with Denby Grange. Epa101 (talk) 15:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

You can't just make assumptions, the BBC reference suggests nothing of the sort. There are references in the article to it closing. Its reserves were exhausted, that's why it closed. Try refs 3 and 5 in the National Coal Mining Museum for England article where I reverted your edit.

I see. They're not particularly academic sources, but I suppose that they're better than nothing. I finally found my copy of Colin Jackson's The Complete A-Z of Colliery Names, Pre-1947 Owners, Areas & Dates. That actually says that it closed in 1984! That might explain why there's not a single mention of the colliery in the book Coal, Crisis, and Conflict, which goes into meticulous detail on every pit in Yorkshire and its political alignment, and why it's missing from the map of the Yorkshire coalfield on page 6. You might be able to see it on Google Books preview here. Epa101 (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Pastscape is a perfectly reliable source and everything I can find including the museum site and Northern Mine Research Society say it closed in 1985.(October in fact) Making more assumptions from a book on the strike isn't helpful. You made a mistake, live with it. J3Mrs (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

That's really quite rude. I'm being polite with you. You're breaking the rules of Wikipedia by speaking like that. Also, the book that I've quoted is an academic text that is thoroughly researched. It is more reliable than the websites that you've looked up. Epa101 (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense and I've had enough, even the Yorkshire post article you linked in the first of your posts says The museum is based on the site of the old Caphouse Colliery at Overton which was worked from at least 1789 until the coal seam was exhausted in 1985. Get your facts straight. J3Mrs (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

That doesn't mean that the men weren't transferred elsewhere. "Merged" doesn't always mean that two pits were knocked together. It's sometimes used to mean that the two places of employment were merged, as say happened between Dodworth and North Gawber, or between Hickleton and Goldthorpe. Nevertheless, you are being so rude that I am going to stop the discussion. You should note that you are breaking the Wikipedia rule on Civility, which is a policy for all editors and applies to talk pages as well. If I catch you doing this again, then I shall report you. Epa101 (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Until you learn to add factual information and not your own personal speculation you will run into problems. You now seem to have changed the argument and adopted a very patronising tone. Don't post here again. J3Mrs (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:OR and, more specifically, WP:SYNTH. WP:VNT is probably appropriate also. That's the way it is. - Sitush (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Editor of the Week

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I nominate J3Mrs as Editor of the Week. She has been editing since May 2009 with over 35,000 edits; she is a diligent content editor with over 85% of her edits to articles. Sterling work has been undertaken in topics covered by WikiProject Greater Manchester and its sister WikiProject Lancashire and Cumbria with collaboration on a featured list, a featured article and several good articles. Always willing to pitch in, hard working while maintaining a sound common sense attitude and approach, she is the type of editor that forms the backbone of Wikipedia.

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J3Mrs

Miners, 1926 General Strike

Editor of the Week for the week beginning January, 2015

With more than 85% of her edits to article space and very few to the drama space, J3Mrs is one of those unsung heroes who form the backbone of Wikipedia. She is a calm and sensible influence who has a refreshingly straightforward attitude towards article development, a real pleasure to work with.

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Her work on the Greater Manchester project and on Britain's industrial past.

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Tyldesley, Belle Vue Zoological Gardens, Bradford Colliery, Bolton

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 17:17, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Congrats! --L235 (talk) Ping when replying 17:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

That's great! Well deserved! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks for what you do for the enjoyment of WP readers. Buster Seven Talk 06:48, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Congrats and thanks from Gandydancer too. You have represented my position on Jimbo's talk page more times than you know, and I have appreciated it. Gandydancer (talk) 12:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Very much deserved. Nev1 (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

My immediate reaction to so many notifications when I logged in was "Oh no! what have I done now?" If I was ever aware of this award, I had completely forgotten about it, so it is more than a surprise and astonishing that it should be awarded to me. Thank you Sagaciousphil for nominating me and to all who have posted congratulations. I haven't done much recently but I did log in, book in hand, to add some information and maybe start a new article. Thank you, it's great to be appreciated. J3Mrs (talk) 10:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• Congratulations. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

  You more than earned it. John Carter (talk) 16:00, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

  +1! Writegeist (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• This diff speaks to the high regard that your fellow editors hold you. In the 2 years of the weekly Award only a handful of editors have received more than a "thirded".Buster Seven Talk 22:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

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As they say...

what's good for the goose is good for the gander...or I guess you could also say that what's good for the studs is good for the bitches? Gandydancer (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Eric's page

Just a thought if you think this user I've been spatting with smells like a sock of the one who is bothering Corbett. Both accounts seem fond of the American Old West... both are nasty little boogers too. You are I both like Corbett, I think he's being attacked unjustly by a user who is abusing multiple accounts. JMO and a heads up. I don't like to see people baiting Eric. Montanabw^(talk) 02:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't care for baiting either and it's certainly going on although I thought Eric had handled it better than I would have. I read the link, it's hard going, I can't bear reading walls of text. Looks like the editor knows quite a bit about how the encyclopedia works and has a persistent, insistent m o but other than that I don't know. J3Mrs (talk) 08:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I smell a sock drawer...: [1], worrisome primarily due to [2] which is still not fully cleaned. The behavioral issues also a worry, but the long term damage is to the encyclopedia. Unfortunately, though can't get there. I guess just watch behavior. Montanabw^(talk) 06:09, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Thank you very much for copy-editing Sleaford. There's little more I can say, other than that I really do appreciate your help. Best wishes, —Noswall59 (talk) 12:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I only used the pruning shears. It could probably still do with some tidying but you've got the idea now. J3Mrs (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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You have been selected to receive a merchandise giveaway. Click the following link for more details: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Merchandise_giveaways/Nominations. Please send me an email (jmatthews@wikimedia.org) for instructions on how to claim your shirt. Thank you again for all you do! --JMatthews (WMF) (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

J3Mrs, if you take up this offer, I suggest that you request a garment at least one size larger than you might apply using UK sizing. Perhaps even two. Mine was hopelessly small and was consigned to my "oily rag" bin. - Sitush (talk) 00:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, thanks but I won't be ordering a T-shirt, not my thing at all and we have enough oily rags. J3Mrs (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Having met you only a few weeks ago I can say that I don't see you as a T-shirt kind of girl: far too poised, far too elegant. Eric Corbett 20:25, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Poised, elegant? That must have been one of the others. J3Mrs (talk) 20:59, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

• Not a Wikipedia T-shirt that's for sure. J3Mrs (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

As an aside, I wonder how many of us "Manchester Mafia" actually know each each other now? As in have met and chatted with each other? Eric Corbett 20:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

• Three for me and one other, all very interesting and good company. J3Mrs (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

  I think it would be three for me as well, plus two others. Eric Corbett 20:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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The KLF

Why did you do this? Eric Corbett 20:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I didn't even realise I had. I haven't been around and was wondering what you'd been up to. Sorry, I hope you know it wasn't deliberate, I was trying out a laptop and it must have been the last click before I switched off. I think I've put it right. J3Mrs (talk) 08:12, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I thought that maybe you knew something I didn't. :-) Eric Corbett 10:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I hardly think so at least not as far as editing is concerned, I was just being nosey. I'm rather useless with a laptop I need a mouse. J3Mrs (talk) 16:02, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I thought it was just me - I hate those flaming track pads they have in laptops. I catch it when I'm typing and the cursor ends up jumping into the middle of another sentence, or if I'm using the pad it tends to click on something when I don't mean it to. I have a mouse plugged into mine and I've set it to disable the pad when the mouse is plugged in. When my kids come round they unplug the mouse straight away and use the track pad. There seems to be an age you reach when new technology just doesn't work for you. Richerman (talk) 20:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Not sure about that. I love the touch pad, never use a mouse, and I'm perhaps even older than you! Eric Corbett 21:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

On reflection though I do sometimes have a problem when one of our cats walks across the touch pad, even though I try to encourage them to stick to walking across the main keyboard. Eric Corbett 21:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

If you think touchpads are bad, avoid tablets. They're worse. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I think touch pads are good, but the logic of messing your screen with sweaty, dirty, greasy fingers is lost on me. Eric Corbett 21:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

They don't take up much space in the dishwasher. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I do have a Nexus 7 tablet and I can use that for simple stuff, but I once tried editing a WP talk page with it and that was a disaster. Richerman (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to sit at the desktop or I get backache and I prefer looking at a nice big screen and I like to have a handy place for a mug, glass or piece of cake, oh and a book. I don't know how some folk manage to edit on their phones. J3Mrs (talk) 08:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Standedge Tunnels

You reverted my re-arrangement of the lede.

My view is that as things stand, the paragraphs in the lede contain unrelated subjects: the second para talks about the canal and then the cross-tunnels; the third para talks about the railway tunnels, then the canal tunnel and then the visitor centre. They're all mixed up.

Why not talk about the canal tunnel in one para, the railway tunnels in a second, the cross-tunnels in a third and the visitor centre in a fourth?

Zin92 (talk) 20:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I, for one, would agree that your changes were not an improvement. Splitting the text into a number of single (or two) sentence paragraphs is not a good idea as it looks amateurish and spoils the flow (see: MOS:PARAGRAPHS) and "This allowed the railway tunnels to be built quickly and reduced the need for construction shafts as waste could be removed by boat." is not a complete sentence. Richerman (talk) 22:28, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Richerman has taken the words from my mouth. Single sentence paragraphs are not the way forward. As it stands the first paragraph provides background and location, the second historical context and the third the current situation so it's hardly haphazard. J3Mrs (talk) 06:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Excellent work!

		The Original Barnstar
		For your excellent work on Lancashire and Cheshire Miners' Federation and other efforts at improving the content quality of Wikipedia. Thanks for your ongoing efforts! —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 23:24, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

That's very kind but isn't it odd that the less I do, the more barnstars I get? J3Mrs (talk) 14:16, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Not really so odd; the less you do the fewer enemies you make. Eric Corbett 15:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh I think you may be wrong there :) J3Mrs (talk) 20:08, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Great Flat Lode

I managed to link to it from a few more articles, good to see someone working on it :) DuncanHill (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I did the walk last year but only just looked at the article. I've not got much but anything's an improvement. J3Mrs (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I may be able to find more in some of my books, but probably won't be for a while yet. DuncanHill (talk) 12:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Wheal Frances

Hi, Carnkief redirects to Wheal Frances, which is why the information about it and the SSSI were there. DuncanHill (talk) 13:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

That article was wrong. The nearby village is called Carnkie. I'll remove it. J3Mrs (talk) 13:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I can't find any place called Carnkief so I don't know what to do about it. J3Mrs (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It's Carnkief on the Ordnance Survey, between Goonhavern, Wheal Frances, and Perranwell. DuncanHill (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm fixing it. DuncanHill (talk) 13:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

OK I've found it now near Perranporth which is miles away but places with similar names. What a confusing county but thanks. J3Mrs (talk) 13:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Are we getting confused by different Wheal Franceses? Carnkief is near this Wheal Frances, the picture you've added is South Wheal Frances (near Carn Brea), and there's also a West Wheal Frances! I've got a list of Cornish locations that the Fire Brigade use, and it's amazing how many duplicated (or triplicated, or more) place names there are in Cornwall. It helps to confuse the emmets! DuncanHill (talk) 14:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I think we were but the mine referencing the Bassetts and the Marriot shaft is definitely the great Flat Load mine. J3Mrs (talk) 14:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I know what to do now so I'll fix it! J3Mrs (talk) 14:23, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, cool, I'll check in again later - got to go to the bank and run some errands. The Mindat site I linked to is pretty useful for information about minerals found at mines, and for working out just which mine is which. I've made Carnkief into a redirect to my new stub Carnkief Pond which is the SSSI, so you don't need to worry about that at least. All the best, DuncanHill (talk) 14:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I've reinstated and edited the Wheal Frances info and created a new article on South Wheal Frances Mine. Hope my confusion, and the article's is now sorted out. J3Mrs (talk) 15:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, looks good. I've added South Wheal Frances to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/New articles. DuncanHill (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

... and thanks for your help too. Two new articles came out of the confusion, not a bad result. J3Mrs (talk) 18:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd sure like your input if you're up to it...

Hi there, I was thinking of you this morning while writing a reply to User:CorporateM about my feelings about the never-ending sexual harassment discussions. So many times I have admired your posts about the subject, and I was wondering if you might have anything to add. Gandydancer (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok I'll look for the discussion and give it some thought. J3Mrs (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2015 (UTC) Done but I doubt it's worth much against the tide of political correctness. J3Mrs (talk) 16:42, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

J3Mrs thanks so much for stopping by at CorporateM's talk page. I was going to leave a note at his page but he archived it shortly after your post so I will leave a note here. I thought that he may have been interested in hearing from another woman who may have similar thoughts to mine, but I guess not.

It was so nice to hear from you - a breath of fresh air really. I get so weary of the never-ending discussion about how the men here are harassing the women and chasing them off and keeping them away from the site. It's so good to hear from another experienced editor that says she has neither been sexually harassed nor has she seen it done to other women. The key thing that stood out for me in your post was your statement that the people who go on and on about sexual harassment here have other motives than a desire to improve the encyclopedia. I couldn't agree more. Those men and women need to get their ass in gear and work on our many articles that deal with women's issues to improve the articles rather than park their ass on their fellow editor's talk pages and monitor their edit summaries for what they see as sexual harassment.

J3Mrs, since our discussion was cut short I'd like to further explain my reasoning for believing that WP would benefit from having outside people who are experienced in conflict resolution become a part of our "team". IMO, if an editor feels that they have not been able to find resolution for their grievances through our established channels they should be willing to present their case to an outside person or group that have had training and know how to guide a discussion to a resolution. As it is, it seems that we have a core group that just go from one grievance to the next, never satisfied with the outcome. In this latest round of discussion CorporateM says that he was contacted by an editor to again open this up. He won't say who it was but I can only assume that it is one of the people from this core group. IMO it is about time that an issue gets settled and then the offended person either needs to be seen as justified in their claims or seen as not justified, but at any rate they must be willing to drop the stick and move forward or leave the project. But from the cases I've seen, what they really want is to just go on arguing for ever and a day, never satisfied. On the other hand, though I can't remember ever seeing it, if an editor is found to actually be sexually harassing an editor and refuses to change, they would be barred from editing.

Not that any of that is ever going to happen. There are just too many people here that finally found a place to feel that their voice is being heard, even if it means that their complaint is that their voice is not being heard. Gandydancer (talk) 16:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Gandydancer, if editors aren't interested in different viewpoints I'm not offended. I think most disagreements here are about content - and that's what I would expect. It's hard writing and referencing articles, it's much easier to dispense opinion. I don't know what the answer is to all this sexual harassment stuff is because I really haven't seen it. Is it that some editors are offended that not everybody agrees with them? Attempts at bullying and trolling go on all the time, and I've seen most of it directed against men, but then again there are more men to troll. Editors and standards vary so much, those with the highest standards are at the mercy of those who think anything goes so long as they've added it and take offense if it's removed. Conflict resolution is very difficult on the internet, it's hard enough face-to-face and to work needs positive engagement from both sides and for one side there will always be a loser. Too many pages deal with "stuff" that is not about content and too many venues for things to become personal. Too many places for folks to make assumptions, use "civility" as a weapon or become a member of the "jury". J3Mrs (talk) 07:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 2A05:1700:0:10:0:0:0:6 (talk) 11:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Disagreeing is not hostility, editing as an IP sockpuppet and running to ANI saying you "might" be harrassed most certainly is. Still as forum shopping goes and with only the IP account blocked, you might think it was worthwhile. Pathetic really. J3Mrs (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Removal of United Utilities water contamination information

Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.4.136 (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Four headers, recent, long-winded, unreferenced, news item rather than encyclopedic =WP:Undue. These things pass. J3Mrs (talk) 08:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

You should have reverted the additional headers change and made the text more concise, without simply removing all of the referenced facts. If you look further back in the history the paragraph did have references, but they were removed in someone's edit. 86.173.4.136 (talk) 09:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it would harm for you to re-read the WP:Undue policy for yourself. There is no opinion based material in the section. Thanks 86.173.4.136 (talk) 10:13, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Coulda, woulda, shoulda and have done. Try WP:NOT because the sort of information you added is not what the encyclopedia is for. Please use the article talk page because you won't change my mind. J3Mrs (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Which part of WP:NOT do you suggest is relevant? PS: You clearly did change your mind, else you would have removed the ENTIRE paragraph on the page again, but you didn't. Ner ner, ner ner ner! 20.138.242.109 (talk) 10:36, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Quarrington, Lincolnshire

Hello. You may remember copy-editing Sleaford earlier this year. The article ended up passing GA and I've since been working on Quarrington, Lincolnshire, a village and suburb of the town; it seems that most of the content is there and I am thinking of putting it up for GA too. I am very grateful for your help with the Sleaford and I wondered whether you could take a look at Quarrington—my writing is far from perfect and a copy-edit is probably needed now. I appreciate you are probably very busy, so no worries either way. Best wishes, —Noswall59 (talk) 10:46, 24 August 2015 (UTC).

@Noswall59: I do remember Sleaford so I did take a look. It seems pretty comprehensive. Couple of points, are all those churches in Quarrington? and Culture and community seems rather Sleaford based too. You could cut the info if it's really in Sleaford. J3Mrs (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for having a look. I had my concerns about the churches and the culture section as well; I have removed the Sleaford-based churches. Do you think I should cut the culture section entirely? Thank you again for your copy-edits. Kind regards, —Noswall59 (talk) 21:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd remove whatever isn't based in Quarrington. J3Mrs (talk) 07:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I've done so, and nominated the article for GA. Thanks for your help, —Noswall59 (talk) 09:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Good luck, hope you don't have to wait too long for a reviewer. J3Mrs (talk) 18:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Precious again

mills and pits
Thank you for your contributions to quality articles on the Greater Manchester area, such as Tyldesley and Belle Vue Zoological Gardens, churches, mills and pits, done in collaboration, for "There is too much assuming going on" and best response silence, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 1012th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you but I have done little over the past year and have little or no appetite for doing anything at present. J3Mrs (talk) 19:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Workhouse#In_art.2C_entertainment.2C_and_media

I disagree with your reversion of the above-cited section and posted comments when I "undid" it. I agree that laundry lists are not a good idea, but sometimes bulletted lists - as in this case - are both more reader-friendly and a good organizing tool for sections like this one. My approach has many precedents in other Wikipedia articles, and I think it should be left standing. This is, after all, an encyclopedia, not an English class essay. Cheers, Froid (talk) 08:53, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Prose is always preferable regardless of the use of lists in other articles. This is indeed an encyclopedia and this is a "Good article" and an example of some of the encyclopedia's better practice. Please don't add random tv programme mentions as they are not helpful and the place to discuss this is the article talk page not here. J3Mrs (talk) 09:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

As per your advisement, I've now posted on the article's talk page. Froid (talk) 09:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Section Headings

Please read WP:BADHEAD and MOS:HEAD rather than change section headings to your personal preferences. If you have issues with the Manual of Style, then please take it up on the appropriate talk page rather than reverting. Jeni ^(talk) 12:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

A specific quote from the accessability guide for you:

Do not make pseudo-headings using semicolon markup and try to avoid using bold markup. Screen readers and other machines can only use correctly formatted headings for navigation. If you want to reduce the size of the table of contents (TOC), use {{TOC limit}} instead. In cases where {{TOC limit}} cannot be used because of lower-level headings elsewhere in the article, then using bold for the headings causes the least annoyance for screen reader users. Jeni ^(talk) 12:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

The format I used is found in several Good and Featured articles by editors I respect, it appears to be you who is using your own personal preference. J3Mrs (talk) 12:42, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

As you can see from the Manual of Style pages that I linked to, this is not down to personal preference. If you wish to change the manual of style, there are appropriate places to set such a change in motion if it achieves consensus. I would appreciate it if you could follow the MoS in future unless there is good reason, with consensus to deviate from it. Thanks! Jeni ^(talk) 12:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

FYI the section headings were originally changed in this edit by an editor for whom I have the utmost respect. But as he is being driven from the project and for that matter so am I, whatever. J3Mrs (talk) 12:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Respecting someone does not mean they are always right. Jeni ^(talk) 13:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

So, not just my preference but you are imposing yours, that's Wikipedia for you. J3Mrs (talk) 13:05, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, the MoS is clear in this respect, nothing to do with personal preference. On the basis that this discussion is going round in circles, I intend on continuing no further unless you actually have something productive to add to it. Jeni ^(talk) 13:08, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Explained here by people who know what they're talking about. I understand none of it or what you have written, so best we disengage and you could revert yourself too. J3Mrs (talk) 13:15, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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M62 motorway

Thanks for your input on that GAN. I have decided to close it as not listed as I feel the situation there is problematic for several reasons, including that the article itself is not ready. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 18:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Divine (noun)

A divine is a cleric, as any dictionary will tell you. Please self-revert. Awien (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Or substitute "divinity"; that would work too. Awien (talk) 21:23, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Or do nothing, my chosen option. J3Mrs (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

As long as you also do nothing when I correct the malapropism. Awien (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Divine works perfectly well, so no deal as far as I'm concerned. Eric Corbett 21:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Seriously now, what dictionary says anything other than that a divine is a clergyperson, theologian, etc? Awien (talk) 22:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, stop writing crap and look it up for yourself. Eric Corbett 22:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Just for the record, Eric Corbett did eventually look it up, and admitted that I was, in fact, right all along. Awien (talk) 21:51, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Senghenydd

Thank you once again for all your edits and comments on the Senghenydd colliery disaster article and at the PR. This is now at FAC, should you wish to comment further. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 12:12, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Coal Mines Act 1911

Thank you for your contributions to this article. A minor point, see User:Aymatth2#Line breaks, it would be easier for me if the line breaks were left in this article, which still needs considerable expansion. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I can't think how I came to this article, must be via the colliery disaster article. I haven't come across many editors interested in the coal industry so it makes a welcome change. I don't usually read user pages but I'll fix it to how it was, sorry about that. I have a "thing" about one-line paragraphs so I got carried away :( J3Mrs (talk) 07:14, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. It is an obscure point. I dislike very short paragraphs too, and I suppose in edit mode it looked like the article was full of them. I would say industry in general gets very poor coverage. Railways, trains, boats etc. get plenty of coverage, but the industries that make and power them get very little. I suppose it is natural to be more interested in the thing you can see and use than in the hidden processes behind it. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:27, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

My interest comes from my family and I like to record bits about something that has virtually vanished from my bit of the planet. Nobody else will!. J3Mrs (talk) 11:34, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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Leigh Population

Thanks for changing my edit for the population of Leigh. My edit was supported by the refs though. Atherleigh ward, as the name suggests, is half in Atherton, half in Leigh, yet you have included the entire population of the ward in the town of Leigh. Have you looked at the ward map? The approximate population of Leigh was stated in the article before I added it to the infobox and before you deleted both Huddsblue (talk) 03:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi J3Mrs! In regards to the above photo, is this an exhibit from the National Coal Mining Museum for England? Kelly ^hi! 13:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes it was. J3Mrs (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

South Wheal Frances Mine

I noticed that, depending on which listing you look at on Historic England, the name of the mine is spelled as either "Frances" or "Francis".[3] Would I be correct in assuming that the definitive name is "Frances", after Frances Bassett? If so I'll correct the spelling at Commons:Category:South Wheal Francis and drop an e-mail to Historic England. Kelly ^hi! 09:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The Great Flat Lode leaflet spells it Frances, Francis was her father, I'm sure all the literature I've seen uses Frances. J3Mrs (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't know if you noticed, but I copied your freely-licensed uploads to Commons so they could be used by other projects, and added some other information to them, such as listed building links where appropriate. I noticed you had tagged some of your uploads with {{KeepLocal}}. If you get a chance, please look over the Commons copies to make sure the details meet with your approval and let me know if the local copies can be deleted. With respect - Kelly ^hi! 19:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I deliberately didn't put them on Commons and most definitely don't want them deleted. I wish I had discovered the KeepLocal tag earlier. J3Mrs (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I respect your decision but just out of curiosity - why not Commons? I wrote List of scheduled monuments in South Kesteven and took many of the photos myself and have never had any trouble with Commons. I often copy photos of UK heritage places there. Have you had issues? Kelly ^hi! 20:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I find it easier to upload here for articles I'm interested in. I can't even remember who put me off but I do what's easy for me. J3Mrs (talk) 20:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

(Intruding) Actually it's dead-easy to upload to Commons using the Wizard, and I think it makes the images more available to more users. It might be worth a try on a quiet day. Cheers, and keep up your good work. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

B. Hick and Sons

Hi there, thank-you for your recent factual adjustments, I am in the process of adding the citations and will check double check John Hargreaves Jr being a magistrate anyway, but my recollection is that he was not a JP before he became a partner of the business, but was when he left.

If you fancy doing the pages on the Hargreaves brothers that would be great? Regards80.229.34.113 (talk) 14:18, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

I stopped because I couldn't understand the bit about marine engines and ship builders. The sentences are just too convoluted. I'll take another look though. The External links is far too long and biographical details are not needed for people with articles and the article is about the business not the people as such. Interesting stuff though. J3Mrs (talk) 09:47, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Certainly a helpful rationalisation and the article is more cohesive now, be careful though to not change facts in relation to the citations and bear in mind the page has evolved carefully over time even if it has been jigsawed together. I would be grateful if you could leave any more changes for now until I have finished adding the citations. Regards81.149.141.199 (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Magee Marshall & Co

Hi , I've messaged the previous editor re my edits , I own the company and would like to see the history of my company accurately reflected on wikipedia, please message me if you require any further information on Magee's, or our history and the verification of further contributions. Oddedd76 (talk) 20:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

If you have something to do with the company you should not be editing this article at all as you have a WP:COI conflict of interest. What precisely is the problem? This is about the old company and not the place to advertise yours. J3Mrs (talk) 20:36, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Manchester Cenotaph

Hey, sorry if I'm treading on your toes there. I'm going through all of Lutyens' war memorials and hoping to get the more important ones to featured article status; I've already done Northampton War Memorial and I've got another one at FAC and several more in the queue (you might like to see User:HJ Mitchell/L, User:HJ Mitchell/War memorials, and User:HJ Mitchell/to-do for the method in my madness). I promise, even if it looks like I'm completely mad, the article will be better at the other end. At the moment I'm just laying out the skeleton from the NHLE entry, then I'm planning to flesh it out using Tim Skelton's Lutyens and the Great War and the various other books in the pile on my coffee table. It'll probably take me two or three weeks, possibly a bit longer depending on how busy I am over Christmas. Is there any chance you could let me get the basic structure into place before hacking away too drastically? Once all the information is in, it's much easier to rearrange things, and the background looks less like excessive detail and more like placing it in context. You'd be welcome to join as co-nom on the eventual FAC if you wanted. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:54, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Fine, but I'm not keen on it turning into an article on Lutyens or London and there's plenty context provided in links. I think the structure is basically ok now. I might add something about St Peter's Church vaults. I'm not interested in FAC but I am interested in keeping things concise. Would you not be better writing an article on Lutyen's war memorials and linking the individual articles to it rather than keep repeating the same information? Just a thought. J3Mrs (talk) 15:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Of course, but a certain amount of detail about Lutyens is necessary to explain its significance, and its design (like all the others) is based on the Whitehall Cenotaph and it's Lutyens' design of the Whitehall cenotaph that led to most of his commissions for war memorials. But I'm planning to write an overview article about his war memorials once I've got the individual articles up to the best standard they can be, so I won't bog down the individual articles with all the details about him. There's a good bit more to add about the design, never mind the history (digging a war memorial up and moving it a few feet to accommodate tram tracks is ... novel). Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I've just been "hacking away" again. I'll be interested to see what you add but I am programmed to chip away at WP:UNDUE and redundant prose. It's a pity you didn't start with the overview because anyone reading through the list of English cenotaphs will soon get bored reading the same old thing. Just a thought. J3Mrs (talk) 13:52, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you John for your assistance in the past and wishing you all the best for 2017. J3Mrs (talk) 18:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Saddlebrook moor

Would you please reconsider your deletion of my supplemental geolocation data for Saddlebrook Moor "(→‎See also: what's that got to do with it?) "? As indicated on the notes listed on Talk page -- and in keeping with my subsequent edit to the body of the article -- his are not the only mysterious mortal remains in that specific area that Wikipedia readers (see WikiProject_Death) may be consulting e.g. I should like to append a third historical episode under the [double murder at Bill O'Jacks Inn (here 20th C OS Map) on Holmsfirth Road to expand the topic under 'Further Reading' for the curiousMrsKrishan (talk) 05:10, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

No I wouldn't reconsider. Far too off topic. And it's called Saddleworth Moor. J3Mrs (talk) 08:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Dunoon

The editor involved seems to have moved on from being inexperienced and inept to downright rude and pig-headed! I'm tempted to just take the article off my watchlist, but, like you, I've spent quite a lot of time on it over the months trying to patch up the shambles s/he creates. It's getting depressing. PamD 13:58, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, I'm gone. J3Mrs (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2017 (UTC)