User talk:Jagiellon

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I am an administrator and I sometimes work on the same types of articles as you, so let me know if you need any help. Academic Challenger 05:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Congress quote[edit]

What can one say about your latest edit on International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, except for great quote. It is precisely what it is all about, and about Russia asserting itself on the world stage, and attempts by the US to stop that happening, to keep Russia at its 1999-ebb - I don't know if you are Russian, I am not, but I know the Russian people in general were demoralised by the NATO bombing in 1999 by not being able to do anything about it, and when one is at rock bottom, there is only one way that they can go, and that is up. The desire to keep Russia down is not a good thing; many in the west think Putin is a hardliner, a despot, I don't think they realise that there are more hardliners, worse hardliners waiting in the wings. For all his rhetoric, the last thing the world would want is someone of the likes of Rogozin rising to power in Russia - he talks the talk, and I have no doubt that he would also walk the walk. Again, great quote, however, instead of beig a simple quote, I hope you will have no objections to it being wikified a little. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 17:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I am glad that I can be useful and add value-content to Wikipedia. No, I am not Russian. Jagiellon (talk) 17:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No prob, I've reworded it, and cut it down it down a bit. Of course, I've got to add info with refs now to show the hypocrisy of Russian government (particularly with Chechnya). Oh yes, and the article owner already removed it, saying that one congressman doesn't speak for the US; of course, we are not here to speak as a mouthpiece for US or Russian governments, we are here to write on notable subjects which are backed with facts from reliable sources. I don't think he understands that as yet. This will be expanded in greater detail at Controversy over Abkhazian and South Ossetian independence, perhaps you may be able to contribute more to that. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 17:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree too. The thing that really got my goat is the prevalence that some editors gave to the Swedish FM's comments which basically called Russians NAZI. I placed the Russian embassy position (diplomatically saying that's not very nice), Putin's Stalin quotes, and then ended with Pravda's Saying to Ossetians and Abkhazes that they must live inside Georgia is paramount to telling Jews to voluntarily present themselves at the gates of a concentration camp in Nazi Europe and smilingly accept the precept that Arbeit macht frei. to really neutralise the NAZI accusations. Of course, Saakashvili is still of course using them ;) I don't believe we need all of the various quotes from all of these countries, it takes up too much room which can be used instead for providing more background and future analysis of the subject. A simple list, with references, would suffice IMHO. Of course, Dear Owner, doesn't agree, saying that anything that takes out any comments against Russia is not on, and not on also, is any referenced prose which are US. I have to wonder if he is James Baker? Can I ask what brought you to this article in the first? Do you have any interest in Russian foreign policy at any chance? I want to start working on Medvedev Doctrine, which you may or may not have heard about? --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 18:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have answered on your own talk page. Jagiellon (talk) 18:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, the 5 point multi-polar world. It's already been, of course, dubbed the Medvedev Doctrine. I've got a lot of reports here on Russian foreign policy and also relating to this crisis - basically Russia is back, the US is bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan (with problems in Pakistan to take care of) so can't do anything, Europe lacks the muscle to do anything with the US, and not to mention the "will"...I saw a report with Saakashvili on BBC couple of weeks ago and he was asked what would he like to see happen to Russia, ummed and ahhed a lot, and then came up with freezing Russian accounts overseas, which lead me to think straight away that if that were to happen the only ones who would be freezing are the Europeans with winter coming (Russian gas and the like). It doesn't help Europe's case much when they have the Baltics and Poland to deal with; they kinda remind me, to use an analogy, of that little mutt that will sit behind a gate and bark its freaking head off at you, but when the gate is opened all it takes is a quick kick to the guts to shut it the hell up. :) Now, I know that no published political analyst would ever put it in those direct terms, but that analogy is there when you look behind the "niceties". But of course, it doesn't all go Russia's way, they have to face criticism for Chechnya, but even more so with Ingushetia; the Ingushetians are basically the mortal enemies of the Ossetians and are neighbours. Plus it opens up that Pandora's box even further with all these other separatist movements around the world. I did try to email you a really good analysis of the Medvedev Doctrine, it makes for good reason and makes one think, but I see you either don't have email entered or don't accept email, so if I can find a link, I'll post it for ya to have a gander at. Oh, and anything is better than the Wolfowitz Doctrine; unleashing Mongolian hordes upon the world wouldn't quite compare to it even. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 18:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts[edit]

So you know, I've read your 3RR report, however I also see that you were involved in the sequence of reverts, as such I'd like to bring it to your attention this section Talk:International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia#Editwarring. —— nix eagle 17:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]