User talk:Jim 2 Michael
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Happy editing! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm Jim Michael 2. My previous computer suddenly stopped working & I don't know my previous account's password. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 16:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
ITN recognition for 2023 Titan submersible incident[edit]
On 20 June 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2023 Titan submersible incident, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 14:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of 2023 Fort Worth shooting[edit]
A tag has been placed on 2023 Fort Worth shooting requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:
A couple of sources with significant coverage would overcome WP:NEWS. It appears to have no lasting effect and should either be deleted or added to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023.
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Nomination of July 2023 Tel Aviv attack for deletion[edit]
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Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Nomination of 2023 Fort Worth shooting for deletion[edit]
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WWGB (talk) 03:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
The article Barbie Kardashian case has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Does not seem to be notable via WP:GNG, and is based entirely on a singular source considered non-reliable per WP:RSP
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Nomination of Barbie Kardashian case for deletion[edit]
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—siroχo 08:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
If you have a problem with another use, then please take it elsewhere than on an article's talk page. The goal of the talk page for an article is to improve the article. Making false claims against another editor is not permissible. To quote from WIAPA: Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence, usually in the form of diffs and links.
To quote from an example at ASPERSIONS: Legitimate concerns of fellow editors' conduct should be raised either directly with the editor in question, in a civil fashion, or if necessary on an appropriate noticeboard or dispute-resolution page.
Falsely claiming that another user is leading other editors is a problem. Falsely claiming that another user made edits that they did not is a problem. I will say that I believe that the discussion has become heated at times, but everyone needs to be more cautious about remaining civil. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't falsely accused anyone of anything, nor have I made serious accusations. Everything I've written on that talk page is relevant & true, including mentioning other articles about mass/spree shootings for comparison. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 17:09, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Jim, you made two false accusations against another user without evidence with both implying misconduct. If you want, go check the edit history at the other article as I already have. The edits you claimed another user made were not made by that user. I have no idea who made the edits you are claiming to have seen, but I see no proof that it is the user you are accusing. Additionally, that user isn't leading anyone to my complete knowledge. I have not been contacted by anyone to support either side of the discussion. Again, please be more cautious. --Super Goku V (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- What two false accusations?
- Which other article? If you mean Robb Elementary School shooting, LC did push for inclusion of not only the victims' names but also mini-bios of them. You can see the discussion about that on Talk:Robb Elementary School shooting. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- If you're talking about LC leading the push to include victims' names on articles about US shootings, that's clearly true. He comments more frequently and vehemently on that topic than anyone else does & has been doing so for years. He repeatedly tried to close the ongoing discussion & strawmans those who want to exclude the names by claiming that we asserting that the victims don't matter. Everyone else in that discussion is adding to it in a reasonable way. I'm not the only person in that discussion to point out that his conduct on there is unreasonable. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- (Replying just to the last comment.)
What two false accusations?
The two I removed from your comment on the talk page. Regarding the other article, your words were incorrect then. On the Lewiston talk page, you said that the user added the information to the article. Here you are saying they only discussed it on the talk page. That is a very key difference. Claiming that someone added info to the article is very different than someone discussing adding the information on the talk page. Regarding the second part, there is a difference being someone being active on a talk page and someone organizing users. Just be careful with how you word it. Regarding anything else, my first sentence from this discussion applies: {{If you have a problem with another [user], then please take it elsewhere than on an article's talk page.}} I get that the other users are saying stuff on that talk page. But that is from comments made to that talk page alone, not from issues elsewhere on the site. If you believe that a user is causing problems, then you should make a report to an appropriate noticeboard. (That was why I saideveryone needs to be more cautious
, but I guess I was not clear enough about things. Sorry for the trouble there.) --Super Goku V (talk) 08:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)- I said that LC is the leader of the push to include victims' names on articles about US shootings. I didn't say or mean that he's organising editors who agree with him. I mean that he's leading discussions by being the most insistent & frequent editor to them. I haven't reported him; now that he's blocked I don't intend to. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 16:17, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- (Replying just to the last comment.)
- Jim, you made two false accusations against another user without evidence with both implying misconduct. If you want, go check the edit history at the other article as I already have. The edits you claimed another user made were not made by that user. I have no idea who made the edits you are claiming to have seen, but I see no proof that it is the user you are accusing. Additionally, that user isn't leading anyone to my complete knowledge. I have not been contacted by anyone to support either side of the discussion. Again, please be more cautious. --Super Goku V (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:2023 Lewiston shootings. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Please and thank you. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's a true, relevant, reasonable, correctly-placed criticism. It's not a personal attack to say that LC's insistence on including victims' names is limited to articles about US shootings. When one editor only is being unreasonable in a discussion, it's correct to criticise them for doing so. LC is the only contributor to the discussion who's breaking the rules by repeatedly, prematurely closing an ongoing discussion which he's a major part of as well as strawmanning those who disagree with him. I don't know how anyone could think that he's in the right or that I'm in the wrong. I've just found out that he's temporarily blocked. I edit frequently & the only time I disagree with him is in regard to including names of non-notable people on articles about US shootings. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 16:17, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am not saying that the other user your are having issues with is in the right at all. In fact, I had to partly remove a comment the other user made from the article's talk page as well. They just didn't get a comment from myself because they had been blocked prior to it.
- Based on your words, there is still an issue that has not been resolved, particularly the
[...] only contributor to the discussion who's breaking the rules by repeatedly
part. If so, then you should bring it up with administrators or a noticeboard if you feel it is a problem instead of on the article's talk page. - The problem with the comment was the text in parathesis. The text was fine without the part in parathesis and was fine later on when you mentioned that we shouldn't have different rules depending on where it happened. However, the parathesis text inferred that the user only cared about naming victims when it was within the United States. Had you of instead just said that "We don't have these discussion on articles outside the US" or "We don't include the names of victims when the incident happened outside the United States" then it would have been fine. "Comment on content, not on the contributor." Criticism about the content is fine for the article's talk page. Criticism about another editor's editing is not fine. That's the distinction here. --Super Goku V (talk) 21:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC) (Amended 21:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC))
- Another editor reverted LC's wrongful closings of the discussion, so I didn't feel I needed to take the complaint elsewhere. After his continued strawmanning, I considered making a complaint, but now that he's been blocked it's unlikely to be necessary. Victims' names & discussions about including them have appeared on many articles about mass murders in countries other than the US, but it's far less common. The main reason for that is that most of the editors who are (in favour of) adding victims' names to US attacks don't edit articles about attacks in other countries. This is what leads to consensuses to differ for the same types of events in different countries, which is unbalanced. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 23:35, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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Many thanks![edit]
Apparently, you created the Egbekaw massacre article the same very minute that I wrote in my edit summary that we might need a separate article for the massacre. I can definitely get used to that :P Thank you, and cheers! Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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Deletion discussion about November 2023 Terrorist Encounter in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa[edit]
Hello, Jim 2 Michael
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