User talk:John.GGVV/Archive 1

July 2023

Hello, I'm Nythar. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Nythar (💬-🍀) 13:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which article?, i created 2 pages recently. John.GGVV (talk) 13:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both are written promotionally. They also don't seem to meet WP:GNG. You might want to consider writing articles neutrally. Reliable sources would also help prove notability. Nythar (💬-🍀) 13:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

okay i'll try find reliable sources but why the sources i added not reliablity?. And thanks for the information what you provid. John.GGVV (talk) 13:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nythar, you did remove this part

^{The City is accredited by the Saudi Central Council For Accreditation Of Healthcare Facilities, the Joint Committee For International Accreditation, the Committee For Accreditation Of Rehabilitation Facilities, the College Of American Pathology, the International Federation For Obesity Surgery And Metabolic Disorders, the ISO 22000 Accreditation For Nutrition Safety, Otto Bock And ISO Accreditation 9001 For Quality Management Systems, ISO 13485 Accreditation For Prosthetic, Orthotic And Medical Devices and has been awarded with Gold Certification for Excellence in Person-Centered Care by Planetree International.The Research and Scientific Center aims at innovative research that translates into lasting health benefits. The research center host basic and clinical studies including pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical clinical trials through the clinical investigation unit. The city through its research arm launched major strategic programs including national registries namely bariatric, autism and diabetes registries and, has been part of the Saudi genome national project. Through the research and development arm the city is involved in biotechnology research including bionic arm, robotic chair and prosthetics and orthotics advanced 3D printing.}:::

so the page become non promotes the subject in a subjective manner?. thanks in advance. John.GGVV (talk) 13:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I removed those parts because they were not sourced. Whenever you add content to an article, you should make sure that it is accompanied by reliable sources that support all of the content that you're adding. Please read WP:Verifiability to see why this is important and then read WP:Reliable sources to see what counts as a reliable source. Nythar (💬-🍀) 02:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay i get it. Thanks. John.GGVV (talk) 02:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello John.GGVV. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:John.GGVV. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=John.GGVV|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @DoubleGrazing, what are you saying how i know Sheikh Khalid he is very famous man and i can't even talk to him, as i said and told in Live chat i did this page to stop the rumors about him and the king of jordan as example if a british man hear a rumor about his king he'll try to stop it that's all.

You told me to do the resubmit i didn't do anything from my own.

You can see in arabic i have many articles about policy and diplomatic persons. John.GGVV (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of that actually quite answers the question. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I told you the reason and answer why i create the page and no i don't have any Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests.

You can also check the Live chat from the help they consider me these sources are notability so i edit alot on this page you're right to solve the problem about notability of the perosn. John.GGVV (talk) 12:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use Wikipedia for promotion or advertising. I came close to blocking you for the disruption scattered across my watchlist. Consider this an absolutely final warning, or you will be blocked. You're being disruptive. Star Mississippi 16:59, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled Al Saif moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Khaled Al Saif. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 15:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning, User:Fancy Refrigerator The sources are from Al Arabyia, TIME, Sky News and CNN i hope now i can submit review for draft, what do you think?. John.GGVV (talk) 16:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcmatter John.GGVV (talk) 02:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These are stories about his daughter not him. He is mentioned but no significant coverage about him. He currently seems to be a footnote in his daughters life. Notability is not inherited from other people in their life. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 03:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Fancy Refrigerator, Also i removed 5 sources aren't reliablity. Thanks in advance. John.GGVV (talk) 02:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khaled Al Saif (July 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mcmatter was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Khaled Al Saif and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 21:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, John.GGVV! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 21:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khaled Al Saif (July 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mcmatter was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

All sources are about his daughter and notability is not inherited. Mentions of him in articles about his daughter does not make him notable.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Khaled Al Saif and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 03:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Khaled Al Saif (July 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

As mentioned before, sources covering his daughter do not convey notability on him. In any case, celeb gossip, even in otherwise reliable publications, isn't the sort of significant coverage we're looking for.

Besides, the contents of the 'Career' section don't seem to come from the source cited against it... so where do they come from?

This is essentially just a promo/vanity piece on an otherwise non-notable person.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Khaled Al Saif and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Khaled Al Saif

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Khaled Al Saif, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Sultan Bin Abdulaziz Humanitarian City

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Sultan Bin Abdulaziz Humanitarian City, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Bbb23 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.
Hello, John.GGVV. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.Deb (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disappointed

@Bbb23 @Deb @DoubleGrazing @McMatters,, I am really very disappointed with the way of dealing with Wikipedia. Dealing with Arabic Wikipedia is much better and there is understanding, but what happened today is a farce in every sense of the word, disrespectful and unprofessional at all because after more than 48 hours of effort and all the requests of the editors have been completed, you come to tell me about it. The first article is that I am receiving payment for publishing the article, then the second article is that I am writing propaganda. This is disrespectful and mocking the minds of others and a waste of time. I will file an official complaint to the wiki organization about what happened, and I have all the evidence that proves that the issue has become personal and not professional at all. Thanks. John.GGVV (talk) 19:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No need to ping me on similar comments going forward. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop scattergunning every user talk page with you rant? (Especially users who have passed away!) You're likely to get sanctioned sooner or later. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't try to make me the bad guy, I didn't know, what you're doing is to win the sympathy of the administrators because you know you're wrong. John.GGVV (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There will be an official investigation, the results if prove me wrong yes i'll accept any punishment but if it proves me right you'll appolgize to me in Public because what yo do is very disrespectful to me. John.GGVV (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. Deb (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I got your message on my talkpage. I'm not sure what you want me to do about any of this, I had no involvement and I have no particular background on the subject matter. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you review and see the sources of these 2 articles are notable or not but i want from you to be fair. User:The Blade of the Northern Lights, User:Deb.

Draft:Khaled Al Saif and Draft:Sultan Bin Abdulaziz Humanitarian City. John.GGVV (talk) 23:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We always strive to be fair, but you have no valid grievance in this case. Please read the guidelines. Deb (talk) 07:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]