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VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013

Did you know?

VisualEditor's toolbar has a new drop-down menu that contains all character formatting: bold, italics, subscript, superscript, strikethrough, computer code, underline, and the ability to remove all formatting from text.

For more information about how to use VisualEditor, read the user guide.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Control+⇧ Shift+V or ⌘ Command+⇧ Shift+V (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here. The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally. To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name. For example, change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random?veaction=edit to open a random page in VisualEditor. This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

tête

Can you write [tæɪ̯t] instead of [taɪ̯t] in the file File:FRQC-tête.ogg in Wiktionnaire please ? I can't do it, because I'm block in Wiktionaire. 166.48.185.117 (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Anyone can write anything. I would love to, but I am staying put here in the English Wikipedia. There are many other volunteers who would love to help you in Wiktionnaire and are more fluent in French than I am. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:38, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

You can edit it with your IP address, isn't it ? 166.48.185.117 (talk) 15:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but I am just focusing on the English Wikipedia. It is my main Wikipedia. That is all. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

phở

[fɔ], [faʊ̯] or [fə] ? 166.48.196.217 (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

It sounds like those three combined, with the lattermost having the least influence. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

銳

This pronunciation possesses the [ø] sound ? 166.48.173.31 (talk) 23:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 23:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

It rhymes with feuille ? 166.48.173.31 (talk) 02:22, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Very close but no. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for January 2014

Did you know?

To add templates, go to the "Insert" menu and choose the "Transclusion" (puzzle piece) item. Enter the name of the template and click "Add template". If TemplateData exists for the template, then a list of possible parameters will appear. If not, you can add parameters yourself by typing the parameter name under "Add parameter". For unnamed parameters, use numbers ("1" for the first unnamed parameter).

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:15, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

peut-être

The /ʁ/ are the same or different ? 166.48.190.77 (talk) 02:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Different. The former is softer than the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

The eu sound and ê sound are also different ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.48.190.77 (talk) 10:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:24, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

[pøtɛtχ] and [pətaɪ̯tʀ] ? Do you know the difference of [ø] and [ə] ? 166.48.180.212 (talk) 21:17, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

[ø] sounds closer to [why], while [ə] sounds like the "i" in "pencil." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The Quebec pronunciation sounds really like [pətaɪ̯tʀ] with an [ə] ? 166.48.176.17 (talk) 03:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Johnny Au/Archive3

In the page User talk:Johnny Au/Archive3#tempête 3, you told me that it sounds like [tãpeɪ̯t]. Is that a right answer ? 166.48.180.174 (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I have listened to it again and it is incorrect; it should be [tãpaɪ̯t]. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:08, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Johnny Au. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner.
Message added 02:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Usb10 plug me in 02:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Replied there. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Bargnani Edits

Sorry for the belated response. A few weeks ago I removed a remark on the Toronto Raptors page attributing their success in 2007 to Andrea Bargnani. This was not a mistake or "experimentation;" it's simply inaccurate to assert that Bargnani had anything but a negative impact upon his team's performance, and in fact had Bargnani not been on the Raptors, even considering the atrocious careers of essentially every draftee of the 2006 NBA draft, the Raptors would have, setting aside randomness, won even more games. I don't particularly desire to engage in a debate about the effectiveness of Bargnani as a basketball player because it's not a serious question, but I would be moderately happy to provide mountains of evidence that Bargnani is, in fact, one of the actual worst players in NBA history. I did explain my reasoning in the removal of the Bargnani-related information in my comments on my edit, but I'd be happy to discuss this further. It's simply not accurate to attribute any degree of success on the part of the Toronto Raptors to Bargnani, who is, as I have asserted, one of the most counterproductive players in NBA history. Your response to my original edit, "Regardless, Bargnani still contributed to the Raptors division title in 2007," could apply equally to any 4'10 quadriplegic serving as the 15th man on an NBA team that happens to do well. Merely playing for an NBA team does not entail "contribution" to that team's record of wins against losses.

Johnfloyd6675 (talk) 06:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I understand. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:20, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

ancêtre

It doesn't exactly rhyme with "fight" ? 166.48.169.125 (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly. There is a small "r" at the end. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The vowel is not exactly [aɪ̯] ? 198.99.29.15 (talk) 11:53, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

between F major and G-flat major

Seven songs use this key. 166.48.181.40 (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Got it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:51, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

un kilomètre

You hear [ɚ̃ kilɔmaɪ̯tʁ] or [ɚ̃ tʃilɔmaɪ̯tʁ] ? It's hard to tell ? 166.48.174.13 (talk) 02:34, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

It is the former for me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

WP Countering Systemic Bias in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 00:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Robyn Doolittle

Hey, I see you're one of the main contributors to the Robyn Doolittle article. I added some content from a Flare article which just came out (and which seems to be the first secondary source I can find covering Doolittle's pre-Star years), but it's 3:30 in the morning and I'm not sure how good it is so I'd appreciate if you'd be willing to give it a look over. Also I cited everything in there to that Flare article, because again, 3:30, but it really shouldn't be difficult to get other sources for a lot of the sentences (particularly regarding the timeline of the crack video, for which there's already its own article). I'm a bit Wikipedia'd out right now so I don't know that I'll get to it myself for a day or two, but if you're looking for something to do it's probably best if not the entire article is cited to that one Flare piece. Cheers! Wieno (talk) 08:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Got it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in E minor ? 166.48.189.105 (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

It is closer to being halfway between E♭ minor and E minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

key

Is there a minor key in 1:32 ? 166.48.180.174 (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in F# major or D# minor ? It's hard to tell. 166.48.197.237 (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

It is actually in both, as the song is played using only black keys, which matches both keys. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

This song is in A-flat minor ? 166.48.197.165 (talk) 23:38, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

It is actually in A minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

This song is in F# major ? 162.222.82.25 (talk) 02:55, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

But not exactly in F# major ? 166.48.173.135 (talk) 13:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

It is close enough not to be in any other key but in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

It is close to F major too ? 166.48.184.155 (talk) 16:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:04, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is in A major ? 166.48.180.106 (talk) 03:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

It modulates often between A major and F♯ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

key

The former is in G major and the latter is in F major ? 166.48.193.96 (talk) 02:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

No. The former is in F♯ major and the latter is in G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

key

This page says this song is in F major, but that is not true ? 166.48.193.96 (talk) 21:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Tell Polygon Guitar that it is actually in F♯ major. If they still dispute, tell them to get Logic Pro X (if they have a Mac) and use the Flex Pitch feature. It would tell which key the piece is in if there are disputes between ear-listeners. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:50, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
This song is between F major and F♯ major. Maybe I can say that it is in F major. 166.48.193.96 (talk) 02:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:13, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

This song is between B major and C major ? 166.48.184.120 (talk) 22:34, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:25, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

This key is closer to F major or G-flat major ? 166.48.172.142 (talk) 02:07, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

It sounds quite halfway. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:11, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

treize

  • France:
  • Quebec:

The French pronunciation rhymes with "glasses", the Quebec pronunciation rhymes with "size" ? 198.99.29.198 (talk) 16:05, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Both rhyme with "jazz." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

guêpe

  • France:
  • Quebec:

The Quebec pronunciation rhymes with "type" ? 166.48.169.109 (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:52, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

tard

  • Jèrriais:
  • Quebec:

The Jèrriais pronunciation is "tor" with a trilled R, the Quebec pronunciation is "toe" ? 166.48.169.109 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

bass or baritone

This man is a bass or a baritone ? 166.48.169.109 (talk) 03:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Baritone. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

key

In 1:18, it's in F# major or D# minor ? 166.48.182.20 (talk) 02:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Screenshot of the Insert menu in VisualEditor
The "insert" pulldown on the task bar of VisualEditor will lead you to the '⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽' tool.
Screenshot of Special Characters tool
This is the ⧼visualeditor-specialcharacterinspector-title⧽ inserter as it appears on many wikis. (Some may have customized it.) Your feedback on this tool is particularly important.

Issues you might consider:

  • How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
  • Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
  • How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
    • Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
    • How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
    • How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
  • The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
  • Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
  • Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014

Did you know?
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You can easily re-use references by going to the Insert menu, choosing "Reference", and clicking on "Use an existing reference" in the lower left corner. A list of all references, their numbers, and their ref names (if any) will be shown. You can search the list for any author, title, date, or other keyword. Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

  • The main priority is redesigning the reference dialog, with the goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs and URLs and streamlining the process. Current concept drawings are available at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.
  • A few bugs in the existing reference dialog were fixed. The toolbar was simplified to remove galleries and lists from the reference dialog. When you re-use references, it now correctly displays the references again, rather than just the number and name. If you paste content into a dialog that can't fit there (e.g. ==section headings== in references), it now strips out the inappropriate HTML.
  • You can now edit image galleries inside VisualEditor. At this time, the gallery tool is a very limited option that gives you access to the wikitext. It will see significant improvements at a later date.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu is being redesigned. Your feedback on the special character inserter is still wanted, especially if you depend on Wikipedia's character inserters for your normal editing rather than using the ones built into your computer.
  • You can now see a help page about keyboard shortcuts in the page menu (three bars next to the Cancel button) (T54844).
  • If you edit categories, your changes will now display correctly after saving the page (T50560).
  • Saving the page should be faster now (T61660).
  • Any community can ask to test a new tool to edit TemplateData by leaving a note at T53734.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

key

This song is between G major and A-flat major. I already know a lot of songs that uses a microtone ! 166.48.189.93 (talk) 00:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes it is! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:01, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

This song is exactly in G♭ major ? 166.48.189.93 (talk) 01:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

This song is in G♭ major or G major ? 166.48.168.39 (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

It is very much halfway between the two. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

This key can make someone think of the color purple ? 166.48.185.170 (talk) 16:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I suppose so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The intro is in B major ? 166.48.168.185 (talk) 11:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The intro is in which key ? 198.99.28.211 (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

F♯ major I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The singing part is in F♯ major, but maybe it's in B major at 0:06 ? 162.222.80.37 (talk) 12:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Might be so. Much of the intro modulates back and forth between B major and F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The G♭ major and the E♭ minor sound very different ? 198.99.29.206 (talk) 14:00, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes. One sounds bright, the other sounds gloomy. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

At 1:35, it's in G♭ major or E♭ minor ? 166.48.169.32 (talk) 13:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

This song is played using black keys or not ? Fort123 (talk) 13:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Many, but not exclusively. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

First time, you told me that this song is in G major, because you didn't pay attention ? 166.48.185.102 (talk) 23:34, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't paying attention the first time. I must apologize. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
In fact, it's not in G major ? 166.48.181.48 (talk) 01:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Nope. It is because the key was slightly off. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
It's actually in G♭ major ? 166.48.181.48 (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes. It is rather halfway between the two keys, though slightly closer to G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Toronto road articles

Hi Johnny, I'm writing because you do a lot of edits to the Toronto roads articles. There seems to be three list articles about Toronto roads: List of east–west roads in Toronto, List of north–south roads in Toronto, and List of roads in Toronto. It's the "List of roads in Toronto" article I want your opinion about. I see there was some discussion about merging it on the talk page. It's mostly about diagonal roads, and may be better if it was called "List of diagonal roads in Toronto". And the non-diagonal roads in the article could be moved to the other lists. Also, all three list pages should have "see also" links to the others. Thanks for you opinion. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:00, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014

Did you know?
Click this image to see the details.

The template dialog has been simplified to make it faster and easier to add parameter data. Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (T56361).
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the Ctrl+Alt+S or ⌘ Command+⌥ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

key

They sing in G major, right ? 166.48.189.125 (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Although off-tune, they do sing in G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:35, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Is there a big difference ? 166.48.168.168 (talk) 14:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The first video is in A♭ major and the second video is in F major ? 166.48.169.186 (talk) 12:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I knew that the first video is certainly in A♭ major, but you don't know that the second video is in which key ? 166.48.173.55 (talk) 19:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Same. I know the key of the first video (A♭ major), but not the second. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the second video is in G♭ major ? 166.48.173.71 (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

It is rather halfway between F major and G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you like this key ? This is my favorite key. 166.48.196.96 (talk) 01:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, the 1986 televised version of Journey to the West! It is high-pitched G♭ major! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

This song is in G♭ major or G major ? 166.48.180.95 (talk) 11:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

key synesthesia

  • A major = straw
  • A♯ major = straw
  • B major = vanilla
  • C major = beige
  • C♯ major = white
  • D major = white
  • D♯ major = white
  • E major = blue
  • F major = purple
  • F♯ major = orange
  • G major = orange
  • G♯ major = yellow

That's my synesthesia. I'm capable to guess the keys, but I only have difficulty to distinguish D major/D♯ major, A major/A♯ major, B minor/C minor and F♯ minor/G minor. When you were 10 years old, you were capable to guess the keys ? 166.48.188.111 (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Not that well. I began playing the piano when I was 8, as well as read music. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a synesthesia ? 166.48.188.111 (talk) 11:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you have an emotion for the F♯ major ? 166.48.188.111 (talk) 14:35, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

It sounds cheerful (as with all other major keys for me). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

key

F major and F♯ major sounds similar for you ? 166.48.174.75 (talk) 11:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

When I am not paying attention, very much so. When I do pay attention, they become distinct. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

F♯ major or G♭ major ? Which name is more popular ? 166.48.174.75 (talk) 22:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

It depends. In keyboard music, the former is more popular. In orchestral music, the latter is more popular. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The F♯ major is present in this song ? 166.48.172.41 (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

At 0:57, the key changes ? 166.48.185.115 (talk) 12:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, from minor to major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:39, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Where is the minor key ? The song is in A major, isn't it ? 166.48.185.115 (talk) 20:32, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

B minor I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't hear a B minor. I hear the A major, F♯ major at 0:57 and G major at 2:57. The B minor is in which part ? 166.48.173.187 (talk) 02:14, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

It is actually a diminished chord before 0:57. I misheard it before. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

This key is neither F♯ major nor G major ? 166.48.173.187 (talk) 02:29, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

It is in G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

It is in G major at 3:31 ? 166.48.184.79 (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

No, but it leads to it a few chords later. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

It is in G major in 3:33 ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The first song is in G major and the second song hasn't not a standard key ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 21:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Both are in G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

These two songs are in the same key ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 12:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Both are in F♯ major, isn't it ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 15:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Probably. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

This song is in A major ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

F♯ minor ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

But the singing part is in another key ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 11:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

This key's name is "F♯ major 7" ? Fort123 (talk) 16:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

F♯ major with a 7 ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 11:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Key names don't have a "7." They are only for chords. I misread it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:27, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

This key is neither F major nor F♯ major. This key has not a name ? Maybe it's "tuned F major" ? 166.48.177.125 (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

The intro is in F minor, it's in B♭ major in 0:11 and it's in D minor in 1:06, right ? 166.48.176.148 (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Probably. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

It is in F major at 0:13 ? 166.48.192.144 (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

The first video is in G major, but the second video is between G♭ major and G major ? 166.48.177.32 (talk) 21:47, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, though closer to G major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:15, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

This song is in F major ? 166.48.177.32 (talk) 00:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It sounds rather halfway between F major and G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Seine

The Canadian French pronunciation is [seɪ̯n] or [saɪ̯n] ? 166.48.172.215 (talk) 02:08, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Au

Your last name is pronounced [aʊ] ? 166.48.177.32 (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:26, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It's 歐 ? 166.48.177.32 (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

No. It's 区. I am known as Johnny Area/District/Region/Ward/Zone! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

In Cantonese, the word 区 has two pronunciations, [køy] for district and [au] for the last name. 166.48.180.115 (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Good to know. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014

Did you know?

You can use VisualEditor to make redirects. First, remove any unwanted content from the page. Then go to the "Page options" menu (next to "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cancel⧽") and choose the "Page settings" item. Click the box to "Redirect this page to". In the box, type in the name of the page that you want to redirect this page to.

You can also set or remove categories for the redirect in the "Page options" menu. Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Monday, 19 May 2014 at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this on your own page, subscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

xanh

It rhymes with montagne ? 166.48.180.115 (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Note that the Vietnamese script is partially based on Portuguese. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

key

This song has a standard key or a microtone (Dm/E♭m) ? 166.48.196.49 (talk) 21:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Slight microtone, though slightly closer to D minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

This key is slightly closer to F major than it is to G♭ major ? 166.48.170.90 (talk) 11:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

No. It is slightly closer to G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:28, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

These two songs have a standard key or a microtone ? 166.48.181.176 (talk) 02:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

The former is in F major, while the latter is in a microtone. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

This song is in a standard key or a microtone ? 166.48.181.176 (talk) 00:01, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:58, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not exactly in F♯ major ? 166.48.181.176 (talk) 11:02, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Very close to, but not exactly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

key

The second video's key is higher than the former ? 166.48.192.166 (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:14, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

This song is in E major ? 199.59.76.43 (talk) 23:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Slightly off-tune. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

At 4:40 until 5:07, it's in a major key or a minor key ? 166.48.188.186 (talk) 14:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell, especially given the use of the erhu. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
It's hard to tell, but it's certainly in F♯ major or D♯ minor, either one. 166.48.188.186 (talk) 23:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
True, but I am unsure of which. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

This song is in a microtone ? 166.48.189.109 (talk) 01:39, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Unable to load. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

This song is in a microtone ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Slightly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

It's in the side of F major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No. It is in the side of F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:21, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The difference is clear ? The former sounds like F♯ major and the latter sounds like F major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 01:29, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

The former, yes, the latter, no. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

The first video is lower than F♯ major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Both are much the same, F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:32, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

But I heard a slight difference. Are you certain that the second song´s key is lower than the first video ? Fort123 (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Very slightly over. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

This song is not exactly in G major ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 12:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly, but very close. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

It sounds a bit like the F♯ major too ? 162.247.121.237 (talk) 16:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

No. It mostly sounds like G major with very slight hints to F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Fête's brother message

Can you block me please because my internet not good

I am not an admin and admins would generally not grant blocks on request. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:27, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm Fête, the above message is written by my younger brother, so my younger brother wasn't nice, he wanted to block me. 166.48.169.143 (talk) 20:06, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

See here: WP:LITTLEBROTHER. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Gandrayda

Gandrayda is not Fête. 162.247.121.237 (talk) 11:44, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

hiver

At 1:12, the word hiver is pronounced [ivɛːʁ] or [ivaɪʁ] ? 162.246.53.114 (talk) 15:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The latter. I had to slow down the video using Audacity. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014

Did you know?

The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, press "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "⧼math-visualeditor-mwmathinspector-title⧽" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cancel⧽" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Images and media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-savedialog⧽" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

treize

Do you hear [tʀaɛ̯zə] if you slow down the audio using Audacity ? 162.222.81.152 (talk) 13:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there really an [a] before the [ɛ] ? 162.247.122.26 (talk) 20:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

No. I meant from last time that I can hear the final [ə], but I just noticed the lack of [a] now. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there a short [a] ? 162.246.52.229 (talk) 02:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but it's actually [tʀɛzə] or [tʀæzə] ? 162.246.52.229 (talk) 12:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Somewhere in between the two. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:14, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

enquête

It's [ɑ̃kɛːt], [ɑ̃keɪt] or [ɑ̃kaɪt] ? Fort123 (talk) 01:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The middle. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Database size on stats.wikimedia.org

I believe the reason it has not been updated on stats.wikimedia.org is here, if you're interested. Please don't quote me on this; I'm not sure of the details. Of course, the database includes all edits of every page, as well as every log entry. πr2 (t • c) 03:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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