User talk:Julia Makin

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Speedy deletion nomination of Extension (advertising agency)[edit]

A tag has been placed on Extension (advertising agency) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Extension (adveritsing agency)[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Extension (adveritsing agency) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. AlexHOUSE (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Extension (advertising agency)[edit]

Hi there, I'm really new to wikipedia and my boyfriend and I wanted to create an article on an advertising agency that I did research for as part of a uni subject. They are Melbourne-based and growing momentum each day. My article was taken down by you and I just wanted to know what I can do to fix it so it remains on wikipedia? The agency may not be that well-known internationally but they are quite big in Melbourne and Australia and I learnt about them at university, so I was thinking that would justify it as being relevant to wikipedia.

If my tone was too promotional, I can change that. Do you have any recommendations on example pages that are about notable organisations that are written neutrally that I could base the article on?

Thanks so much

Cheers

Julia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia Makin (talk • contribs) 05:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Julia,

Let me first say Welcome. Welcome to Wikipedia and may your stay be a pleasant one. I know the welcome template say exactly the same thing, but those are just quickly-placed templates. But on to your question. In order to remain on wikipedia an article must meet 3 core criteria: If must be Notable, this notability must be verifiable trough reliable sources and it must be written in a neutral point of view. There are more rules of course, but these are the core ones. Now, instead of pointing you to a boatload of long article's on policies, let me explain them.

Notability: As the name says, notability means that in order for a subject to be covered on, the articles subject needs to have some kind of importance (notability) which warrants an encyclopedia article on it. For example an article about Google is notable because Google is the worlds biggest search engine. However the shops around the corner around here are an example of non-notable businesses. In other words: The article must demonstrate that it is somehow important.

How would an article demonstrate this? Well, a subject is deemed notable if it "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.". I would detail every individual point myself, but the General notability guideline header in our notability article sums it up better then i could do. Of course i am open for questions if it is unclear.

Verifiability. On Wikipedia, merely claiming that something is important is not enough - it must be verifiable trough reliable sources as well. I kind of explained the verifiability part in the notability section; Article's should cite reliable sources that verify any claims to notability. If you based your article on reliable sources, it is wise to add those.

Neutral Point of View'. This one is simple to understand, but often hard to execute. A neutral point of view means that an article shouldn't be written in either a positive or negative sense. In company article's a non-neutral point of view often shows itself in the form of advertising or smear tactics; Both should be avoided. The easiest way to test this is by asking yourself if the information you wrote is an opinion or a fact. Stating "It it a company which is pretty large!" i would state subjective information as it contains my own judgments. If i would write "The company had over 2.000 employees which makes it the second largest company in Tanzania" i would list statistics that can be quoted from a reliable source.

The article itself

Now, a bit more specific on the article: The first problem is that it doesn't really make a claim to being notable. Yes, it has some notable clients, but notability is not inherited; To explain: If i were a paperboy delivering the newspaper to a random a-class actor that wouldn't make me notable. Thus, there should be a claim that it is notable, which is easiest to do trough citing reliable sources as i mentioned above under the notability part.

A second issue with the article is that it read like an advertisement. Take this line for example: "What sets Extension apart from traditional agencies is that Extension aims to work as an in-house marketing team or as an extension to their client’s business.". This line points out that a) Extension is better then other companies, and b) That they will the customers so well they will feel like an in-house department. This issue happens throughout the text. "ensuring the team’s knowledge remains up-to-date and relevant to the changing needs of the real estate industry" is another example. Equally that line's only purpose is demonstrating how good the advertising agency is.

I have already written more text then quite a few people bother to read, so i'll cut it short here. O hope this explanation help, and of course i am open for questions should they arise :). Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 08:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Thanks so much for the info and for putting it in plain English so I could understand. Essentially, if I rewrite it with a more neutral tone and then link through to more references that are verifiable and demonstrate the notability of the company/principal the article would have a greater chance of being published?

I'll have another go at it this week, based on the above info. Would you mind before I resubmit it, if I send your way so you can let me know whether it's passable?

Thanks again,

Julia

Every article is welcome as long as it meets the criteria i wrote above, so yes - if the article is rewritten with those in mind it should have no issue staying here. Of course the change it will stay depends upon how well the article is written (in comparison with the guidelines), but only clear cases are speedily removed.

As for going over the article, sure, i have no problem doing so. The easiest way to discuss this is probably trough the Wikipedia-en-help channel on the freenode IRC network (Click the link, add a username and press connect). The advantage of this method is that it allows for real-time communication which is often preferable for pointing out small changes and besides that there are more editors in the helpme channel besides me, which increases responce time. Alternatively you can also leave me a note on my talk page when you are done. Kind regards, Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 17:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]