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I'm not confident enough to put it in the article. The face just looks different. Juxlos (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, my main clue is that a) the building is this building (yes i've passed the building every day) b) all of the guys who seat in the front row are Christian ministers (Radius Prawiro far left, GA Siwabessy middle, Soedomo standing left) c) Leimena was a member of the DPA from 1968 to 1973, and this image was taken in 1971, so he is still close to the president, thus deserving a front-row seat.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael(marhata) 13:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: Any captions indicating it's Leimena? If you only think it could be him because the other guys happen to be Christian, even when the photo doesn't resemble him (granted, could be a case of post power syndrome balding), I wouldn't put that in an article we're nominating for GA. Juxlos (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
First off, Leimena's name was mentioned in a list of attendees in this article, which clears all of my doubt.
Dalam atjaranja terachir di Djakarta mendjelang perdjalanan kelilingnja ke Bogor, Bandung, Djogdjakarta dan Bali, Ratu Juliana Minggu pagi menghadiri kebaktiannjadi geredja Kristen "Immanuel", Gambir. "Pakaian mereka bagus dan kaja-warna" seru Sri Ratu ketika (PW)
And how would you know that Leimena isn't the next guy over, off-screen? This feels too OR-y to me, I'm going to revert. Juxlos (talk) 14:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Well. So what I've proven is that this is taken in the Immanuel Church, Leimena attended this. What I need to prove is that there shouldn't be a further extension of seats in the right side of the seats. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael(marhata) 15:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Or that Leimena wasn't catching a cold, off to the toilet, or something at the time of the picture. I don't have to prove the guy isn't Leimena, the burden of proof is that you have to find caption saying "this specific person is Leimena" as he does not look too similar for me. Juxlos (talk) 15:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
A bit of a litmus test. How likely is the person beside Juliana (stretching his hands) is Soekarmen [id]?Second image with same question.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael(marhata) 15:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Moustache, a little wide in the face, governor of Bali at the time of the visit in Bali. Pretty good chance probably. I really cannot identify the "far right" guy with Leimena, though. Juxlos (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Well then. The litmus test was just a way to assess how high your verification standards is in image identifications. You're quite high, while I'm quite low. Nevertheless, have a nice day! And join WP:WIRED! Regards, Jeromi Mikhael(marhata) 15:35, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
