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Happy editing! Thinker78 (talk) 02:48, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for linking me to the Resume Byron video. I'm just getting up to speed, but I found it a really useful resource! John Andrew Morrow has talked about how relatively surprising it is that so few scholars have considered Fard might just be an African-American. Watching the video, I must admit being reminded of the famous "Eric Andre" sketch titled Black Scientologists: "Not a lot of people know this, but W.D. Fard was actually a black man. (Truth!) His real name was W.D. Hoyabembe"  :) If you have other good sources like this that are publicly available, please let me know. Feoffer (talk) 00:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@Feoffer Do you mean a useful resource in that it meets RS, or that it gives you other leads to follow up? I don't see any way it meets WP:RS. Doug Weller talk 07:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, strictly the latter! We certainly can't cite "Resume Byron from Youtube". But the video is giving a pretty good overview of a very dense scholarly work by John Andrew Morrow that's a good starting for someone new topic like me. Feoffer (talk) 07:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@Feoffer John Andrew Morrow is actually a strong advocate of Fard being foreign.

The census report, which can be found here:

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/GCH7-ZKY/wallace-fard-1868

And the mentioning in this subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/rpzcm7/wallace_farq_mohammed_the_founder_of_the_nation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Are the only sources I can find by a quick Google research.

I don't want to watch the whole work by "Resume Byron" again. But I think that he had more quotes than that. Else, I wouldn't made my post. KingOfRay (talk) 07:35, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller I just want this hypothesis getting unnoticed. Even if it doesn't find it's way into the article. Because neither AK Arian or Morrow or any other researcher/source mentioned this possibility. At least this way, maybe some people are going to dig into it. Besides "Resume Byron" of course. Who doesn't reach many people with his small YouTube channel. I think it's an very, very interesting discovery. Together with the last part of the similarities between him and a fellow prisoner called Lucius Lemus/Leemon (?,I don't quite understand the the surname). A man Fard took as his model, even taking up his birthday as the official birthday proclaimed by the NOI. They said he was born in 1877 at the 26th of February. Just like his fellow prisoner Lucius L. He also took other claims made by L. including how many languages he spoke and could write and were he studied. Things Fard and the NOI later adopted.

"Resume Byron" is not a professional scholar, historian or journalist. But I had many conversations with him and he's an autodidact with great knowledge in the field of NOI studies. His own research is limited by his financial abilities. But I consider him better educated in many ways than Morrow. Who of course is an expert and professional in Islamic studies. I also personally think that Morrow didn't have much to add in his book, than AK Arian in "Chameleon" or Karl Evazz in "The Messenger", besides leading one through a jungle of different denominations/practices of Islam. KingOfRay (talk) 09:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)