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Stats table at Jonathan Spector

Hello, and thank you for your note. First, I'm not sure why you say in your edit summary that "my" table isn't the standard: I'm fairly sure it is, or pretty close to it. As to your changes, I've no objection to using worldfootball.net for the sourcing; it's probably reliable, it seems accurate, and the apps by competition breakdown certainly makes checking the totals easier. But the Soccerbase refs were used all over the article and removing them left the reflist full of big red error messages. You also removed, for no obvious reason, the helpful explanatory notes that identified which competition(s) the continental and other appearances were made in. And the note about the West Ham "goal" will have to stay, to deflect editors away from changing it to what Soccerbase (and his WHU profile) says: most British editors do use Soccerbase as stats source of choice.

The rowspan/colspan thing is the problem. You think the rowspanned version looks tidier; some would agree with you, while others prefer the clarity of repeated cells. But the table has been stable for some considerable time, which means you'd need a justification beyond personal aesthetic for changing its format. The sentence at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players refers to, and stems from a discussion about, the specific question of whether the league division needed to be repeated. The conclusion was don't go round imposing repeated division names on an existing table with a rowspanned division column, because the slight gain in accessibility isn't worth the aggravation value. It doesn't justify imposing row/colspanned areas (and greater loss in accessibility than would be the case with a single column) all over an existing table with repeated cells.

I'll return the table to the previously stable format, with the addition of the Orlando City row and the generic column headings, and change the source to worldfootball.net. If you're still determined to have the row/colspanned areas, I'd advise moving this conversation to the article talk page and inviting comment from WT:FOOTY. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

On the accessibility thing, the discussion linked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, which is here requested clarification from someone knowledgeable about the accessibility of various table formats for screen reader users. The quotations from that thread are exactly what he said, and we went along with it. As I said above, to change away from a stable format that complies with the project standard needs something more than an editor's personal preference for a different format. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

If active football editors devoted all their Wikipedia time to standardising stats tables, it'd take many months to finish the job, and if you added in all the likely follow-up discussions, it'd be more like decades. So it's hardly a surprise that many articles use different formats, particularly ones that were around long before the current standard was agreed. Newly created articles do seem to be using the current standard.

If you think it could be done better, please feel free to make suggestions at WT:FOOTY or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Players. But whatever happens, there'll still be just as many non-compliant formats until someone changes them, there'll still be just as little time or appetite for doing so, and there'll still be no consensus for changing from one acceptable variant to another. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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Atiba Hutchinson

Thanks for letting me know. GiantSnowman 16:08, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Hunt

Hi there KJ, from Portugal,

a couple of "interactions" on this player, if you please: 1 - i thought i'd remove the Kicker mentions in the storyline and replace them with real magazine/web articles, so far i only found one for the 2017-18 season, and since it only mentioned the 29 league matches i added an additional newspaper source with the DFB-Pokal game (29+1=30, the three league goals are also covered by the FUSSBALL.COM article); 2 - also, more developments on his Hamburger career, for example the captaincy; 3 - some story rephrasing to avoid saying the same thing about his stats every season; 4 - last but not least, what do you feel about having the CLUB seasonal wikilinks (for example "2015-16 VFL WOLFSBURG SEASON") in the chart below and the LEAGUE ones (i.e. "2017-18 BUNDESLIGA) in the text? Like that we would had two, and it would be more info for the reader :)

Please tell me what you think (P.S. do not worry, if i cannot find anything to replace the Kicker stuff your sources stay of course!), attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:17, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Done to the best of my abilities! If you notice, matches/goals not supported by the source saying how many he played/scored during X/Y/Z season have an additional league/cup match report in storyline. Hopefully you liked this work, all the best --Quite A Character (talk) 02:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Renato Sanches

Did he assault anyone? SLBedit (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Kingjeff (talk) 15:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

How so? SLBedit (talk) 15:56, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

He physically pushed someone to the ground. "An assault is the act of inflicting physical harm or unwanted physical contact upon a person." Pushing someone is clearly an act of "unwanted physical contact" and could possibly cause "physical harm". Kingjeff (talk) 16:07, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

That isn't notable. SLBedit (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

But I didn't put anything in the article about an "assault". What I put in is about a red card. And that is notable. Kingjeff (talk) 16:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Subheading for Precourt Era

Sorry if it was a bit unclear when I reverted your initial edit. I agree that the formatting was off, I just didn't think that repeating the years was helpful. This is better. Jay eyem (talk) 02:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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Marcel Risse

Season specific references is well established, stop deleting valid content. GiantSnowman 10:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Update the table with recent seasons? Great. Removing columns and references? No. GiantSnowman 19:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

There is a reference for every season in the 'ref' column. GiantSnowman 20:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok - but then why are you removing columns? Why don't you include WF as a reference for each season as is suggested by MOS? GiantSnowman 20:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please stop ignoring me and please stop disruptively editing. I am going to raise this at WP:FOOTBALL for now and will escalate elsewhere if necessary. GiantSnowman 19:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)