User talk:LM2000/Archive 7

How is the truth nonconstructive?

I ask you this question --2001:8003:6406:2600:107:CEF:BE03:ADCA (talk) 11:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

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Help in the Impact roster

Hi, LM. How are you? Sorry to bother you, but i need help in the Impact roster. I have a lot of problems with some users, since they don't follow the rules. Every time some wrestler appears in the TV Tapings, they include him. I said to them that they have to source their edits with reliable sources, but they only revert my edition saying I'm a bureaucrat and speak in English, not send them links. For example, they included Melissa Santos, but I said she hasn't signed a contract and being in the Mexico Tapings doesn't mean she will be the ring announcer the rest of the year. Same with Scott Steiner, he makes guest appearances every 6 months, but I don't have a source about Steiner being part of the roster. Can you help me, it's a pain in the ass. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:11, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

I added it to my watchlist. I don't pay close enough attention to know what's going on with rosters anymore but I'll revert unsourced or poorly sourced additions. I'm sure I'll request page protection at some point. It's good to see STATicVapor is back and watching the article too.LM2000 (talk) 11:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks. At this point, I don't know if I'm doing rigth or wrong since every edition is a edit war and personal attacks. Talking with users who answer me "don't be a bureaucrat" and the "f*ck the rules" attitude is hard. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:31, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Rene Goulet

Hi, I noticed that you added Rene Goulet as a jobber, but I'm not entirely sure is this would apply as he is a former WWWF World team champion, as well as having held other tag titles in other federations. What do you think about this? Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I added it because of the later part of his career, which the article says he spent as a jobber. I wouldn't contest it if you remove it though, a good case could be made that it's not a defining category. My loose definition of "jobber" probably helped get the category nominated for deletion awhile back. LM2000 (talk) 03:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I removed it because it wasn't defining, I am just glad category was kept. Remember that it was suggested on the AFD page to purge wrestlers who clearly weren't jobbers. I hopefully be creating articles about wrestlers who clearly were jobbers which I can add to jobbers. Maybe you can see if there are anymore wrestlers which you can add to jobbers. I have added more recently myself. Davidgoodheart (talk) 03:56, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a look. It can be hard to pin down though, someone like "Iron" Mike Sharpe is arguably best known for being a WWF jobber, but had successful runs in other territories. Koko B Ware is a WWE HOFer but the lede says he was a "jobber to the stars" in WWF. May be worth having a discussion on the category talk page on just who qualifies for the category. LM2000 (talk) 06:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I have added three people recently if you look at the category page you will see who I have added. As for "jobber to the stars" I don't know exactly for sure how that should apply to a wrestler being a jobber. Please feel free to add a discussion on the jobber talk page if you feel that would help. Davidgoodheart (talk) 17:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Pro Wrestling Australia Global Warning issue

Socks 01 has now reverted it back to the undue weight version, and claimed without proof that it (Global Warning) was a pay per view on the basis of it being in the PPV section of the WWE Network on demand section. It's been established that it wasn't a live pay per view, unlike Super Show-Down which Socks decided was no less a "glorified house show" (to quote him and the IP). FYI. Addicted4517 (talk) 08:35, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Addicted4517 I've started a conversation at Talk:Professional wrestling in Australia#Global Warning compromise.LM2000 (talk) 17:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17

Hello LM2000,

News

• The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the {{rough translation}} tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.

Discussions of interest

• Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
• {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
• A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
• There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.

Reminders

• NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.

NPP Tools Report

• Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
• copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
• The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – Low – 2393 High – 4828
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NPR Newsletter No.18

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WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

News

• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Discussions of interest

• A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
• There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
• What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 7242 Low – 2393 High – 7250

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Various feuds

@STATicVapor: So various feuds is not needed in sections or is it, because you two are confusing me.(MisterJay123 (talk) 05:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC))

@MisterJay123: Thanks for the message. The thing is, you added it seemingly randomly to 10 high profile articles. Using various feuds should be discouraged, unless there is not a very good heading name, or they really just had a new feud every month. It should be rarely used, as it is not descriptor of the section really. Sorry to revert on Brock Lesner, but it is a good use of various feuds right now. He feuded with Strowman, Finn and Rollins during that time. It is odd to call a section about October–May just "Money in the Bank", when he has held that gimmick for only 5% of that time period. It wouldn't be right to just have a tiny section only about the Money in the Bank either. StaticVapor message me! 05:42, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Also did not realize this was not on my talk page lol. This change looks good to me @MisterJay123:. StaticVapor message me! 05:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello LM2000,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

QUALITY of REVIEWING

Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

Backlog

The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations.

Notifying users

Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging.

PERM

Admins are now taking advantage of the new time-limited user rights feature. If you have recently been accorded NPR, do check your user rights to see if this affects you. Depending on your user account preferences, you may receive automated notifications of your rights changes. Requests for permissions are not mini-RfAs. Helpful comments are welcome if absolutely necessary, but the bot does a lot of the work and the final decision is reserved for admins who do thorough research anyway.

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School and academic holidays will begin soon in various places around the Western world. Be on the lookout for the usual increase in hoax, attack, and other junk pages.

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Koko B. Ware

Hi, being a "jobber to the stars" means a star who has briefly become been given the role of a jobber, it does not qualify as a defining feature, so I don't think that Koko B. Ware should be giving the status of being a "true" jobber. He is also a WWE hall of famer, which means he can't truly be a jobber. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

That's weird criteria, Johnny Rodz was a pretty notorious jobber, but I see you removed the category from his article as well. LM2000 (talk) 22:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think that either Johnny Rodz or Koko B. Ware should be on that list. Johnny Rodz may have been notorious, but was not really known for being a jobber. I would like to remove Koko B. Ware from that list, is that okay with you? I think that most people would agree that he doesn't belong on that list as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The Profane Teachings Of Johnny Rodz, The Wrestler Who Jobbed His Way Into The Hall Of Fame from Deadspin:"You can try to slur him as a jobber, but that misunderstands how integral good jobbers are to professional wrestling. Rodz was one of the best, and it’s why he shared a Hall of Fame induction class with Jimmy Snuka..." Rodz was definitely a jobber. A jobber of HOF caliber but still a jobber. There was some debate as to who should qualify for the jobber cat when it was nominated for deletion, but if someone is described as a jobber in their lede, even if they had notable non-jobber periods in their career, then "jobber" is definitely a definitive category. So Koko belongs too. LM2000 (talk) 00:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

If you feel that way fine, but I will ask some others their views on this as well. If people seem to agree with you I will accept that. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:46, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019

Hello LM2000,

Backlog

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

Coordinator

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.

This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

Deletion tags

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.

Paid editing

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.

Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion

• Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
• Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.

Not English

• A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.

Tools

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent enhancements to the New Pages Feed and features in the Curation tool, and there are still more to come. Due to the wealth of information now displayed by ORES, reviewers are strongly encouraged to use the system now rather than Twinkle; it will also correctly populate the logs.

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

DannyS712 bot III is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.

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Jim Cornette

Hi. I saw you're involved in Rollins and Meltzer criticism. However, I think tere is one person who I think, deserves the section. Jim Cornette. He is always complaining about everything, using very bad words, homophobic, racist slur. Complaining about style of wrestling (ECW, Joey Ryan, Chuck Taylor), height (Marko Stunt), characters (Sonny Kiss). I saw an article about people stop hiring Cornette. What do you think? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

As long as sources exist it, I'd be okay with it. He's become well known for his real life feuds with people in the industry. Honestly, his conflicts with Russo probably deserve a section to their own.LM2000 (talk) 01:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, I can try to include some stuff and sources and you imrpvoe the redaction. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello LM2000,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 818 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools

• It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
• It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.

Reviewer Feedback

Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.

Second set of eyes

• Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
• Do be sure to have our talk page on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.

Arbitration Committee

The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights.

Community Wish list

There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion.

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New Page Review newsletter December 2019

Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	Rosguill (talk)	47,395	Patrol Page Curation
2	Onel5969 (talk)	41,883	Patrol Page Curation
3	JTtheOG (talk)	11,493	Patrol Page Curation
4	Arthistorian1977 (talk)	5,562	Patrol Page Curation
5	DannyS712 (talk)	4,866	Patrol Page Curation
6	CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk)	3,995	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	3,812	Patrol Page Curation
8	Boleyn (talk)	3,655	Patrol Page Curation
9	Ymblanter (talk)	3,553	Patrol Page Curation
10	Cwmhiraeth (talk)	3,522	Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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Merry Merry!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!

Hello LM2000, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020. Happy editing, ★Trekker (talk) 13:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.