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Statement

I made a poor choice in using a particular word to describe behaviour I found problematic and threatening from an Admin. I never intended to label anyone with an offensive word, but rather to comment on behaviour.

I was recently labeled xenophobic by an Admin at AN, but racism or fear of foreigners goes against every fibre of my being (as a read of my userpage suggests). Therefore I understand how hurtful having an inappropriate label applied to your good name is. So I unreservedly apologize to User:BrownHairedGirl and the community for any offensive I caused.

I have repeatedly asked BHG to lay off the criticisms because while she may make some valid points she also makes significant errors in her statements about me. I requested she no longer post on my talkpage and that was ignored so I started removing her unwelcome posts but that backfired as well.

Kindly consider that I am only a participant on Wikipedia to increase access to knowledge for our readers and to make our coverage of that knowledge as correct, verifiable and balanced as possible within the constraints of a decentralized volunteer effort. Legacypac (talk) 11:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Here's my suggestion: strike everything above except "I unreservedly apologize to User:BrownHairedGirl and the community for any offensive I caused." If you unreservedly apologize, which is the right thing to do, then don't list your grievances and reservations. Absolutely nobody cares why you're upset and called her a bitch. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't that one can claim no one cares. Obviously, if this feud doesn't get resolved and it continues, we will care a lot. I do agree that you should separate an apology from any complaint or explanation as it waters down the apology, Legacypac. Liz Read! Talk! 22:30, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I intended this meaning and nothing else [1]. I am very sorry for all offence caused. Legacypac (talk) 03:25, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I certainly care what LP's grievances are, even if I also disagree with the name-calling. The unfortunate thing about this fiasco is it directs all negative attention toward LP, when various other parties involved in this stupid "portalwar" deserve quite a bit more scrutiny themselves (while ArbCom did not take the RfArb I opened about two weeks ago, the situation has deteriorated to the point that they probably would accept such a case now).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Pregnant comments on a blocked users page? I recall an article about billiards and some other stuff around that time [pause] I liked the article …? cygnis insignis 18:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm wary of digging into details because this isn't the venue for it, and doing so would really need an ArbCom-style pile of diffs. As I said, I raised this at RfArb recently, so that's the place to look if details are sought (though I got my dramaboard stuff mixed up; the RfArb was actually opened by Robert McClenon, on 23 March 2019). PS: When I posted this, it wasn't clear whether LP's block was going to last long (I'm not sure that's changed, actually; I haven't been on here every day, and when I am on, I have a lot of stuff to catch up with).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Legacypac, I'm sad about having had to place this block, and I am one of many, I think, who are looking anxiously to see if you can alleviate our concerns. But try as I might, I can't get "bitch at someone" out of this usage, and I am unwilling to brush it off. You don't necessarily have to convince me, but I'm sure you saw I'm not the only one who thought this unacceptable. If you find this unhelpful or gravedancing, please revert and I won't bother you on your talk page anymore. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

ANI Notice concerning SNC-Lavalin affair

Curly Turkey has proposed a TBAN for Legacypac concerning the SNC-Lavalin affair. Full disclosure, he has also made allegations against myself, which unsurprisingly I think are without merit. I take no position on those against Legacy at this time. Anyway, I am not sure how this should be dealt with given Legacy's ongoing block for other reasons. The ANI is here should editors see the need to comment.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:X3 listed at Redirects for discussion

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Closing of WP:AN discussion

Legacypac, please see my close here: [2]. It was a complicated discussion with little consensus about any course of action, but I've done my best to summarize as follows:

  • Legacypac's indef block remains in effect. No admin should unblock based just on the comments Legacypac has made in their defense so far, as there is consensus that it isn't sufficient. There is no community ban. Legacypac can choose to make another unblock request on their talk page at any time, which can be reviewed by any uninvolved admin. Both Legacypac and the uninvolved admin should review the concerns expressed in this thread. Some possible ideas for further unblock conditions for Legacypac and the uninvolved admin to consider are listed in the #Unblock conditions section. Reading between the lines of most of the comments, there does seem to be an overall consensus that a fundamental change in Legacypac's approach is in order if a community ban is to be avoided. A more in-depth rationale for this close can be seen in the last sub-section.

--Floquenbeam (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

FYI, on a slightly-related note: While this may not be your most important issue right now, when the dust settles on all this, I'd be happy to add a 1 second block to your block log, clarifying that you never made a legal threat, and that particular block was administrator error; the block log should have made this clearer. Some people want notes like this added, some people don't, so it's up to you. I won't do anything unless/until you're unblocked, however. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
FWIW I endorse the proposed 1-second "log message" block to explicitly clarify my error. I'll offer to do it myself if you or Floquenbeam prefer, if I haven't been desysopped by then. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
If both Ivanvector and Floquenbeam have been de-moppified, I got ya. SQLQuery me! 04:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello Legacypac,

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ArbCom: Disputes at SNC-Lavalin affair

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Thanks, Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:16, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Are you there and do you care?

There's a lot of talk at the case request about the status of your block as it goes forward, which now seems to be happening. I thought maybe it might uncomplicate matters if you indicated whether you are even watching WP right now and if you care to participate in the case at all. (be aware that while your participation is by no means mandatory, not participating does not prevent the possibility of further sanctions if the committee deems that to be an appropriate course of action) Beeblebrox (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

... while your participation is by no means mandatory, not participating does not prevent the possibility of further sanctions ... which kind of makes participation mandatory, doesn't it? Leviv ich 22:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Not really. If LP has done nothing wrong regarding the SNC-L dispute then there wont be any further sanctions. If they have done something wrong but the Committee believe the current sanctions are sufficient to deal with their behaviour there then there wont be any further sanctions. If they have done something wrong and the committee believe that small changes to their existing sanctions will be sufficient then there will only be those small changes (whether that would be further sanctions can be argued either way (and it's an argument I'm not interested in having). If people are accusing LP of doing bad things (as they've been named as a party I presume so, but I haven't been following the dispute at all and haven't read the request in any sort of detail) then they may wish to rebut the allegations and/or offer a different interpretation of events, or they may wish to let their actions speak for themselves. Thryduulf (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
ich, we are all volunteers here, nothing is mandatory at all, not even WP:ADMINACCT (although it may entrain sanctions or loss of admin rights). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Just like if the police come to your house to arrest you, you don't have to go with them. Look at Thryd's comment here: if Lpac has done no wrong, then there won't be any further sanctions. I'm sure Lpac finds that super reassuring, from an admin who has accused Lpac of a whole lot of wrongdoing over a long period of time. The point is: is anything that CT is accusing Lpac of worse than Lpac's treatment of BHG? If not, then what the F is the point of unblocking him to participate in a misdemeanor case when he's already blocked for a felony? I don't think Lpac is blameless here, but there is a segment of this community that has a real problem with leaving people alone when they ought to be left alone. – Levivich 02:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
My accusation is that he's been POV-editing a contentious politics article and bullied an editor off the page. Some might interpret that as "worse than Lpac's treatment of BHG". Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:39, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Curly Turkey, let's say for the sake of argument that you're right about everything. The problematic behavior stopped many weeks ago and will not continue while he's blocked. What is the point of taking up the time of other editors to examine Lpac's conduct? Sanctions are supposed to be preventative: what will they prevent? If/when Lpac is unblocked, if he resumes this problematic behavior, it can be examined then. If Lpac doesn't resume the behavior, then there will be no problem. Putting aside issues of "right" and "wrong", I see no practical benefit from using up resources to include Lpac as a party when he's already indef blocked. I don't know if it's up to you anymore, but consider this me lobbying you to remove him as a party for the sake of saving time for everybody else. – Levivich 02:52, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Whatever LP is or is not guilty of, I think it's time to leave his talk page alone and put an end to the grave dancing. It's entirely up to him if he wishes to comment. He know the rules more than most people.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Levivich—if the charges were against Legacypac alone, I'd agree—there'd no longer be a dispute to be settled. But as I stated at the case page, there's no way I could have left him off the list and not be attacked for leaving him off in bad faith—there are already such accusations about having left others off it who had far, far less to do with the dispute. If he gets removed, I won't oppose it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Adele for deletion

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Your draft article, Draft:Verification of supercentenarians

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Arbitration proposed decision posted

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello Legacypac,

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Canadian politics closed

An arbitration case regarding Canadian politics has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

  1. Curly Turkey is prohibited from editing SNC-Lavalin affair and its talk page for a period of six months. This restriction may be appealed at WP:ARCA after three months.
  2. Curly Turkey is warned that future violations of Wikipedia's conduct policies and guidelines, including WP:BATTLEGROUND and WP:ASPERSIONS, may result in blocks or bans.
  3. Curly Turkey, Darryl Kerrigan, Legacypac, Littleolive oil, PavelShk, Safrolic, and SWL36 are admonished for edit warring.
  4. All editors are reminded to seek dispute resolution and to use appropriate resources, such as the dispute resolution noticeboard, for outside opinions and suggestions for resolving problems.

For the Arbitration Committee, SQLQuery me! 03:46, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Canadian politics closed

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Your draft article, Draft:Oaxaca–Blinder decomposition

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Your draft article, Draft:Residual intersection

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Your draft article, Draft:Max Friedman (wrestler)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! 大诺史 (talk) 14:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

If you're still watching...

Hi LP! All the warmest wishes for this seasonal occasion, whichever you celebrate - or don't, while I swelter at 27℃ (80.6℉), and peace and prosperity for 2020. If you're contemplating appealing your block, do try and join me for a cool beer in Bangkok in August when it will be even hotter!
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:58, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Legacypac

Thanks for your hard work.

How do you change the name

Francille Rusan Coden (not the scholar’s name) to Francille Rusan Wilson (it uses this in the wiki)

Thank you Malikwilson30 (talk) 06:09, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Malikwilson30: Legacypac is no longer active. I have moved the article to the correct name now. Regards SoWhy 08:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Your access to AWB may be temporarily removed

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I miss you 😭

Nearly all my TV show drafts were accepted and you were the one who saved me from waiting months like some have to these days! Thank you for your service to Wikipedia. Please come back. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 10:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

heads up

I realise you've been gone for a while so you mightn't ever see this. But there is a discussion on ANI that concerns you. Reyk YO! 16:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Interaction ban lifted

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, especially the time taken to review artists from South Africa. HughesTrevor (talk) 09:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, especially the time taken to review artists from South Africa. Maybe you can assist with this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Janko_de_Beer HughesTrevor (talk) 09:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Aidan Ryan

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Proposed deletion of Mark Soldier Wolf

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