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This is Lquilter's personal diff-log of incidents relevant to the Nadine Gordimer dispute and questions regarding conduct of editors. It is a work in progress and is not yet complete. Feel free to copy and make your own annotations, but please do not edit this document. It is being created in preparation for arbitration / RFC on editor conduct. --lquilter 12:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Full history references[edit]

Nadine Gordimer pages

Editors[edit]

Nicholas Stix aka 70.23.*
Other major editors of Nadine Gordimer
Minor editors of the assault paragraph on Nadine Gordimer

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Talk page editors

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Comments on third-party pages

Admin & conflict resolution pages[edit]

Relevant administration & conflict resolution links
  • RFC - brought by Lquilter regarding Nadine Gordimer dispute on 12/2 (diff)
  • Conflict of Interest - brought by Will Beback regarding other 70.23.* pages, 3/13 20:35; discussion quickly moved into civility issues
  • Incident report by Doldrums on 4/3 17:24, problems with anon editors multiple reverts; Lquilter pointed out possible Yakuman connection
  • Request for page protection by Yakuman, 4/4 22:38, edited total of 7 times for minor edits and to also add other page protection requests for other pages Yakuman was edit warring on (diff1, diff2) ... Lquilter responded 4/4 23:58 (diff3) and Tariqabjotu denied (diff4)
  • AN Incidents: Personal attacks by 70.23* - Doldrums reported personal attacks 4/10, 08:51; will Beback blocked for 1 month. Will Beback then sought administrative review after Yakuman's comments on talk pages.
  • ANI brought by FNMF 4/12 05:56; Durova protected for one week.
  • Per Durova's suggestion (diff), Lquilter brought another article RFC (diff) 4/12 21:07

Nadine Gordimer dispute[edit]

70.23.* prior to Nadine Gordimer dispute[edit]

  • First known contribution on Bruno Kirby, adding link to Nicholas Stix article, 11/7 00:56 (diff)
  • On Racial profiling talk page, 70.23.* calls opponents "screaming propagandists" and is generally derisive, describing editors as having "radically anti-police, pro-minority criminal views" and putting the term "editors" in scare-quotes; makes clear that his views are that racial profiling is a "hoax", 11/18 07:00 (diff)
  • On Curtis Mayfield talk page, 70.23.* complains about wikipedia NPOV policy, and complains about "black pride" concept, 11/25 22:45 (diff)
  • On Curtis Mayfield talk page, 70.23.* made accusations that Jmabel is engaging in "black racist sophistry" and some commentary about black racism and white victimization, 11/30 04:36 (diff)

Prehistory of edit war on Nadine Gordimer page[edit]

  • Michaelbarreto adds incident sans race to Nadine Gordimer article 10/29 (diff)
  • 85.192.17.13 adds race & the Times cite to Nadine Gordimer article 10/29 (diff)
  • Gfourie removes race, 10/30 (diff)
  • 67.189.105.50 adds race and wedding ring detail, 10/31 (diff)
  • 24.5.85.249 copy-edits incident, 11/5 (diff)
  • 196.207.40.213 removes race; adds Gordimer's response, 11/7 (diff)

Edits, reverts, and talk pages re: 70.23.*[edit]

  • DianaW (as 70.20.170.99) removed incident altogether, 11/18 (diff) and brings it to the Nadine Gordimer talk page (diff)
  • 70.23.*/Nicholas Stix (as 70.23.177.216) adds incident, with race, without Gordimer's comment, and adding in "grim irony"] 11/30 04:17 (diff)
  • DianaW brought it up on the Nadine Gordimer talk page again, noted POV, and invited way to write report neutrally without ugly racial overtones (diff); and edited own comment 11/30 23:29 (diff); and reposted very polite message on 70.23.*'s page, 11/30 23:30 (diff)
  • Lquilter agrees on talk page that the material is not notable and was being written to make a subtle racist claim, 12/1 01:10 (diff)
  • 70.23.* responds on talk page at length; first calls Lquilter & DianaW censors; alleges that DianaW "seems to hate whites, and imposes her hatred on articles by promoting the casting of whites in the worst light possible, while suppressing, based on race alone, any factual reporting (forget about opinion) that casts blacks as anything but the victims of whites. If that isn't racist, I don't know what is." Notes that DianaW insinuated that 70.23.* was racist. Talks about censor's allies. Criticizes Wikipedia NPOV. (diff)
  • DianaW responds heatedly on Nadine Gordimer talk page, including "There is no possible reason to add this material here that is not racist." 12/1 02:45 (diff)
  • Lquilter responds on Nadine Gordimer talk page, 12/1, 03:22: points out the incident is not notable; POV of irony comment; suggests the sorts of things that would make incident or race notable (diff)

summarized but not detailed[edit]

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  • Lquilter sought advice from John Broughton (from wikiquette) regarding editor; advised to contiue reverting politely while in the majority, and to offer mediation.
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  • Lquilter - significant non-assault edits on Nadine Gordimer page (Jan 2007)
  • 130.* and 70.23.* begin their edit war: See Jan. 19 diff on Talk:Trisha Meili, possibly the first time 130.* responded to 70.23.* (130.* interventions on Nadine Gordimer began shortly thereafter but were much less frequent than 70.23.*)
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  • 70.23.* involved in fracas with AuburnPilot and Physicq on another matter; blocked for personal attacks
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  • Lquilter - began developing RFC & mediation but 70.23.* not active, and Lquilter then on wikibreak
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  • Will Beback files a notice on the Conflict of Interest noticeboard regarding 72.* other edits on other pages (WP:COIN:70.23.199.239). Discussion quickly moves to civility issues.

Yakuman joins[edit]

In the middle of March, Yakuman joined in the dispute. According to Yakuman, s/he came in after having seen Will Beback's engagement with 70.23.*. Yakuman brings to the dispute a history of numerous warnings for edit warring and incivility, all of which Yakuman wipes from his talk pages. He began archiving at least some of them at User talk:Yakuman/Archive (but without linking to the archives).

  • 3/13 - Yakuman joins in, reinserting the assault + race + grim irony quote. (diff)
  • LQ removed saying take it to talk page
  • 3/14 Yakuman replaced
  • 3/14 LQ sectioned & put POV section header in
  • 3/14 Yakuman removed POV section header, and rewrote to include assault + race but not irony quote; edit summary included 3RR reminder
  • 3/14 LQ deleted race
  • 3/14 18:34 Yakuman added race in, labeling it a 3RR reversion
  • 3/14 19:37 130.* reverted, deleting race
  • 3/14 19:50 Yakuman reverted, adding race
  • 3/14 20:08 130.* reverted, deleting race
  • 3/14 20:10 75.83.18.55 reverted, adding race; edit summary "vandalism"
  • 3/14 20:13 130.* reveretd, deleting race
  • 3/14 20:36 75.83.18.55 reverted, adding race
  • 3/14 21;09 Lquilter sectioned and put POV section header in
  • 3/14 23:58 Yakuman removed sectioning
  • 3/15 00:04 Yakuman added details ("high security" ... "locked in storeroom")
  • 3/15 00:06 Lquilter re-sectioned
  • 3/15 00:08 Yakuman removed sectioning

Andyparkerson joins[edit]

  • 3/15 01:30 Andyparkerson resectioned, rewrote (removed "high tech security", adding in "neither injured")
  • 3/15 04:08 Anyparkerson moved material to wikinews


... weirdest edit war yet: Yakuman keeps removing NPOV-section tag insisting his version is neutral (4/3 around 13:44) and Lquilter keeps putting it back in because it includes all the disputed content; Yakuman also makes various insulting assertions on Talk:Lquilter and gives her a 3RR for replacing the NPOV tag


... Lquilter adding significant non-assault edits; Yakuman and Andyparkerson making relatively minor edits to that content; Yakuman also asked for page protection

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  • 75.213.227.60 reverts, adding back in race, "high tech security", and "locked in storeroom" (4/3 15:42) (diff)


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  • 75.213.225.215 reverts, adding back in race, "high tech security", "locked in storeroom" (4/3 15:55) (diff)


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  • 75.213.225.215 reverts, adding back in race, "high tech security", "locked in storeroom"; also deletes npov-section tag (4/3 16:01) (diff)
  • Lquilter retags with npov-section (4/3 16:10 (diff)


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  • 75.212.126.146 reverts, adding back in "high tech security" and "locked in storeroom" (4/3 16:40) (diff)

Hurricane Smith sub-skirmish (Yakuman)[edit]

This is one of the more pointless sub-skirmishes relating to 70.23.*, exacerbated by Yakuman who took a minor edit war and decided to make it a significant front in his defense of 70.23.* from "persecution". In February, 130.* (who had been edit-warring with 70.23.*) made a silly comment in Feb on a disambiguation page apparently unconnected to all the rest of this mess. 5 weeks later, 70.23.*, likely scanning 130.*'s edit history, reverted the edit (but without fixing the problem). Another user (Wnjr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) fixed the problem citing policy, and Yakuman came on, apparently in defense of 70.23.*, edit-warring with Wnjr (who cited policy) and 130.* over this page. Yakuman brought this to Lquilter's attention on 70.23.*'s page, as an example of a "good faith edit" by 70.23.*. Lquilter observed on the relevant talk page that the content seemed inappropriate since this is a disambiguation page, and there was nothing to disambiguate. Yakuman then wrote an entirely new page (Stephen M. Smith) to justify including the sentence on the Hurricane Smith disambiguation page, which was speedy deleted by Wknight94 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Yakuman re-posted the page, with cites, describing his motivations on Talk:Hurricane Smith as in defense of 70.23.*. Lquilter responded, then documented the situation on Wknight94's talk page. Wknight94 put the article up for AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen M. Smith AFD).

Edit history:

  • Yakuman & Lquilter having discussion on 70.23* page; Yakuman suggested the Hurricane Smith disambiguation page as an example of a good faith edit by 70.23*. Lquilter visited the page and noticed this edit history:
    • An anon IP editor added in a puffery line, 12/9 21:29 (diff) about a person that had no wikipedia article
    • 130.* made a silly comment, 2/22 20:49 (diff)
    • 70.23.* reverted, 3/29 21:49 (diff)
    • Wnjr took it out altogether, citing policy, 3/30 12:49 (diff)
    • Yakuman put it back in and edited it, 4/3 11:56 (diff)
    • Wnjr took it out again, citing policy, 4/3 13:18 (diff)
    • Yakuman put it back in again, adding a cite, and noting that "edit wars are bad", 4/4 19:58 (diff)
    • 130.* popped in again to take it out, 4/4 22:11 (diff)
    • Yakuman put it back in again describing as "rm vandalism", 4/4 22:21 (diff)
    • Yakuman cites the page to Lquilter on 70.23.*'s page as a "good faith edit" by 70.23*; discussion between Yakuman and Lquilter ensues on 70.23.* page (4/5 05:32 to 4/6 18:01 (diff)) and on Talk:Hurricane Smith (permalink) (4/5 13:14 to 4/9 18:30)
    • 130.* took it out again, 4/5 15:54 (diff)
    • Yakuman put it in again describing as "rm vandalism", 4/6 00:17 (diff)
    • Yakuman added a link to the disambig page, 4/6 00:39 (diff) and created a Stephen M. Smith page
    • Wknight94 speedy deleted Stephen M. Smith citing WP:CSD#A7, 4/7 14:29 (deletion log)
    • Lquilter posted on Wknight94 page and Talk:Stephen M. Smith and then withdrew from discussion, 4/9 18:21 (diff); 4/9 18:02 (diff)
    • Yakuman restarted the Stephen M. Smith page (diffs)
    • Wknight94 started AFD, 4/9 18:42 (diff)
    • 70.23.* made personal attacks against Lquilter on User talk:Wknight94, 4/10 09:34, (diff)
    • 70.23.* made personal attacks against Lquilter on User talk:Yakuman, 4/10 10:29 (diff)

Mediation[edit]

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  • Andyparkerson files mediation
  • Willbeback bans 70.23.* for 30 days for personal attacks citing in particular one long post placed in several locations
  • Yakuman continues to defend 70.23.* and accuses Willbeback of bad faith
  • Willbeback posts note on Administrators Board / Incidents


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  • Yakuman removes the npov-section tag (04/11, 07:25)

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  • Doldrums adds back in npov-section tag (4/11, 08:29) ([1])
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