User talk:MacHanson

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Re: Arian Catholicism

Some of your edits seem to be in violation of WP:NPOV and possibly WP:NOR; they also seem to be possible factual errors. Please make your case on the article's talk page. Thanks...KHM03 (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citing sources

Please note that a sources section is being prepared, I'm also trying out footnotes, please bear with me!

Note

"The Arian Catholic church is Arian in nature and follows the teachings of Arius of Alexandria that were compatible with the early church..." The text reads more accurately using "that" instead of "which"; to still disagree with this line is to misunderstand the difference between Arianism and Arian Catholicism!
The Crucifix depicting the crucifixion of Christ on the cross wasn’t adopted by the Roman Catholic Church until the latter part of the sixth century, and finally authorized by the Council of Constantinople (Council in Trullo) in 692 A.D.

Ref: Project Canterbury, The Seventh General Council and the Doctrine of Icons, Conference in the Jerusalem Chamber, Westminster, December 2, 1918. London: SPCK, 1919.

Fr. Brian. MacHanson 13:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brian...to say that Arianism was/is compatible with the early church is POV, and many would dispute its accuracy. Please review WP:NPOV and WP:NOR when you can. Also, the crucifix became an "official" symbol in the 6th century, but was used as a Christian symbol much earlier (examples exist in the 2nd century), so that claim is inaccurate. KHM03 (talk) 13:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those teachings of Arius, compatible with early Christianity

Bearing in mind that Arius was fighting against the Romanisation of Christianity, he was in effect (with the expection of the creeds to try to clarify certain points) trying to keep the Christian Status Quo. 1. You seem to be confusing early Catholicism with early Roman Catholicism, 2. You are also confusing Arianism with Arian Catholicism, Arian Catholicism is not pure Arianism although it may follow some of Arius' teachings but the main drive is to continue the early Christian line. Clearly a more "neutral" re-working of the syntax is needed here!

Origins of the Cross

Early depictions on Jesus usually showed Jesus in the form of a shepherd carrying a lamb. Tertullian (140-230 AD), a Roman Montanist heretic, commented in his essay De Corona: "At every forward step and movement, at every going in and out, when we put on our our clothes and shoes, when we bathe, when we sit at table, when we light the lamps, on couch, on seat, in all the ordinary actions of daily life, we trace upon the forehead the sign." This might be an early reference to individuals tracing the sign of the cross on their body.

The use of the cross as a symbol was condemned by at least one church father of the 3rd century AD because of its Pagan origins. The first appearance of a cross in Christian art is on a Vatican sarcophagus from the mid-5th Century^[1]. It was a Greek cross with equal-length arms. Jesus' body was not shown. Prior to this it was used as the symbol of Sol (the Sun god) in Roman Paganism.

Fr. Brian :-| MacHanson 11:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ B.M. Metzger, M.D. Coogan, "The Oxford Companion to the Bible," Oxford University Press, (1993), Page 57

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