User talk:Mandarax/Archive 1
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March 2008
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Hi, the recent edit you made to Zora Neale Hurston has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. -[[Ryan]] (me) (talk) 00:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- My reply on Ryan's talk page:
- Hi, you left a note on my Talk page about my edits to Zora Neale Hurston being reverted by you. I'm glad you notified me so I could go back and see that I only undid one edit instead of reverting multiple ones. The changes made by my "undoing" looked completely reasonable and I thought that was the extent of the vandalism. But I suspect that you edited using a bot, because the changes resulting from your reversion were quite obviously wrong. For example, in your version, Zora's parents are "Micheal Jackson Hurston and Jessica Simpson Hurston" and her mother died in "2015" when Zora was "one hundred-thrity five". I have since reverted the article to what I believe is a good version, but I thought I should mention this to you in case you have a misbehaving bot. Mandarax 01:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- I was an error on my part. I do not use a bot, I use the tool huggle. Thank you for leaving a message, or else I probably wouldn't have known. Again, thank you. -[[Ryan]] (me) (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
April 2008
Hi, in the Austin, Texas article you made an edit to which you stated Austin was in the Southern US, it is not. If you have been there it is quite clear it is not southern. The large Hispanic community with great Tex-Mex flavor is not southern and is not found in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, etc. Please do not state Austin is southern as some might take offense to that, (I know I do)...
- My reply on Guanako512's talk page:
- Hi, you left a note on my Talk page accusing me of making an erroneous edit to the Austin, Texas page. You've got the wrong person. I've made one and only one edit to that page. My edit simply reverted vandalism, removing sentences stating "Texas as a whole is a terrible state to live in, don't move here." and "Jordan was here." Mandarax 04:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, My apologies, I appreciate your edit, I guess I should have looked more carefully. Again my apoligies... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guanako512 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
warning vandals
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to The Importance of Being Earnest: You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. Enigma message Review 06:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- I hadn't been notifying them because the overwhelming majority of the garbage I've been reverting has been from anonymous IP users who are obviously committing blatant vandalism. I figured such vandals would be unlikely to read and even unlikelier to heed such warnings. But after reading your recommendation, I reconsidered, since sufficient warnings are required before a user can be blocked. So I have been trying to leave notifications of the proper severity level on the Talk pages of users whose vandalism I revert. Thanks for the suggestion. ‑ MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM (talk) 06:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- The main reason I warn vandals is to make them easier to block. Most of them are unlikely to reform their ways because of a warning, but at least then we can block them faster. If no one warned, we basically couldn't block any IPs. It's like in some religious law: Someone has to be warned first and then do the wrong thing anyway in order to be punished (a block is not supposed to be a punishment, but you catch my drift). Enigma message Review 06:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- You use Twinkle? Enigma message Review 04:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Nope. I do it the old-fashioned way. I just manually check the Recent changes without using any tools. BTW, thanks again for suggesting that I warn vandals. (Sometimes there's a bit of a delay before I post my warnings since I'm doing it manually, and sometimes checking for other vandalism elsewhere before I go back and do the warnings.) I realize that I was only doing half a job when I was just reverting the vandalism. ‑ MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM (talk) 04:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sure thing. Anyway, I was suggesting Twinkle because it really can help speed up the process. Automatically opens the talk when when you revert via Twinkle, and you just hit warn instead of manually inserting a template. Enigma message Review 04:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- IMHO, Mandarax ought to increase productivity by using Twinkle. For the same amount of effort and energy, so many more vandals could be thwarted, IMHO. --Seans Potato Business 09:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
206.54.207.157
hey wats up guys just a question how do I correctly fix profanity would it be okay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.54.207.157 (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- Constructive edits, including removal of vandalism (which may include profanity), are always welcome and encouraged. Please note that blanking a page, as you did twice to Invasion of Normandy, is considered vandalism. See some of the following pages for information about Wikipedia:
- Good luck. ‑ MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Reverting
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Hi, the recent revert you made to Puerto Rico has been undone, as it appears to be unconstructive, and allowed vandalism to be reinstated. Please use the sandbox for testing and make sure your reverts are done in a controlled and conscious manner. ~RayLast «Talk!» 22:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- My reply on RayLast's (Mistman123's) talk page:
- Hi. Thanks for catching my error. I had reverted a particularly nasty bit of vandalism to Puerto Rico then went on searching for more vandals. I found a persistent one vandalizing Children's Day that I kept having to revert and I eventually got 'em blocked. In the middle of all of that, I returned to the Puerto Rico page and mistakenly thought someone had added some nonsense characters. I reverted the last edit, thinking I was removing the garbage. It turns out they had instead caught and reverted some prior vandalism and my reversion accidentally restored it. I almost always go back and check my reversions, but this time I was distracted by that persistent vandal. I apologize for my carelessness. ‑ MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM (talk) 23:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the revert
Thanks for the revert of the Fred W. Tanner article earlier today. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 20:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
you got it right
... I just decided to try to fix that table the other user removed. Thanks so much for the message, and happy vandal fighting! :) --JaGa (talk) 06:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Reverting
You need to be more careful with your reverting. At the unmaintained article ecological succession, you reverted this anon, but the revision you reverted to was another anon who had vandalized the page. This has remained like this for weeks. I've also told a newer editor who did the same thing just after you. Of course, if anyone was actually watching the article and taking responsibility for its care, this would have been fixed long ago. Richard001 (talk) 08:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for reverting the older vandalism which I had missed. I wholeheartedly agree with you that people need to be more conscientious. I'm afraid that everyone who works on expunging tons of vandalism will occasionally miss some prior vandalism after reverting the most recent instance. But I do make an effort to leave articles in a clean state. I looked through some of my most recent edits for a few examples:
- I could see right away that there were big problems with Mark Zuckerberg. Immediately after reverting the newest vandalism on 27 April 2008, I set out to pore through the edit history in search of a clean version without missing any possible constructive edits in the interim. It took me 13 minutes to be fairly certain I could revert to the correct version. During that time, 13 additional edits were done by others -- 4 vandalisms by 3 different IPs and 9 attempts by 2 other users to repair vandalism. It's amazing to see how much vandalism remained after those 9 attempts, before I reverted it.
- On 29 April 2008 I reverted some obvious vandalism to Gentoo penguin. I then checked the edit previous to the one I had reverted. It had been done five days earlier and it was not vandalism. Still, I checked further and discovered that it was a good faith edit, but duplicated information already on the page. I fixed it, leaving the article in good shape.
- Anyways, thanks again for taking care of my oversight and for your efforts to improve Wikipedia.
how do you make your name like that?
It's so frickin cool, what alphabet do you use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.205.144.94 (talk) 00:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think it's cool too. The "backwards" И and Я are from the Cyrillic alphabet. ‑ MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM (talk) 06:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thankspam
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Enjoy! --[DeadEyeArrow – Talk – Contribs] 08:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. And thanks for the CD. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Reverting
I got supermodels on my D.
Thanks for being a grammer facist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.220.198 (talk) 01:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- I assure you that my revert of your edit had nothing to do with any grammatical error. By the way, I noticed that you misspelled grammar and fascist so I guess I just might be a spelling fascist too. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
As I told User:OwenX, I don't understand why my edit to Graham's Number was considered by you to be vandalism. Everything I put in there was completely correct, and I had no intention to vandalise wikipedia. Please if you have an issue with my edit talk to me about it, don't just call me a vandal. You might consider to read this Thank You --58.169.166.143 (talk) 08:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I have made a userspace hopefully now I will be taken more seriously --CallumBrowne (talk) 09:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- I removed it as trivial and unencylopedic. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was just writing a reply when you left your note. Turns out I was saying pretty much the same thing you wrote in your edit summary when you reverted. But since I started, I'll go ahead and finish....
- To CallumBrowne:
- The first sentence of your edit which I reverted is:
- Many Mathematicians have challenged Graham Number’s status for being the largest finite number possible.
- But no mathematician has ever believed that Graham's number (or any number) is the "largest finite number possible" since there are an infinite number of them. The rest of your edit depends on your first fallacious statement, rendering it all a hoax. Yes, be bold in updating factually, but don't fabricate and don't enter anything which is not verifiable. Provide reliable sources whenever possible.
- I can see that you put some effort into what you did. I hope that you can try to channel that creativity into something constructive. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Barnstar
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The Article Rescue Barnstar | |
For rescuing Bert Glennon from a CSD, I, LAAFan, award you this barnstar LAAFan 14:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC) |
J. C. Massee
Hi. I'm working on the article now. I didn't actually mean to create the article until I had the material put together. Please hold on. thanks. --Firefly322 (talk) 07:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- Okay. I replaced the speedy delete template with a construction template. The article may still get deleted since there's nothing there now, but if so you may recreate it when you have your materials together. For future reference, it's better to wait until you've put together at least a stub with a minimum of an introductory sentence. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Please read the article before using scripts to see what I was bringing attention to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.240.133 (talk) 23:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
- I can see very well what you were "bringing attention to". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
And you ignore the blatent trolling on the remainder of the article, interesting... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.240.133 (talk) 23:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Rob ihasz
The entire original consisted of the following, "Rob Ihasz is one of the great American swimmers. He swam for Ohio University, and was a MAC champion. He was lucky to have swam with Donald Jupp, who is a living legend." Fails WP:ATHLETE (with a side order of WP:NOTCONTAGIOUS). --Orange Mike | Talk 13:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks a lot for checking. When I saw in the history that an IP had gotten to it before I tagged it, I just wanted to make sure, since you had deleted it before I got a chance to see the original. I've changed the author's talk page (which had my speedy deletion vandalism notice) to reflect that the article failed to establish notability. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Mater Dei High School (Santa Ana, California)
Please do not revert my changes to Mater Dei High School. After doing several weeks of research I uncovered many facts about that High School. I was simply attempting to correct Wikipedia's mistakes, for the benefit of the commonpeople, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.118.105 (talk) 08:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
- Your edits which I reverted certainly do present some different information. I had no idea that this high school was actually a Buddhist concentration camp run by Adolph Hitler in Auschwitz, California. Please restrict your fiction writing to your class assignments, and stop vandalizing Wikipedia. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Anne Welles
Thank you for tagging the Anne Welles article with an Irish peer stub. Thanks as well for moving the Anne Boleyn association to the top of the page. I am trying to save it from deletion Some editor feels she doesn't meet notability requirements. As the wife of a premier Irish peer, I insist that she does. As I explained on the article's talk page, there's a dearth of articles relating to Irish peeresses. I have spent considerable time trying to add articles on some of the Countesses of Ormond.--jeanne (talk) 15:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Good luck with the article. I hope it survives and that you continue to contribute to Wikipedia. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 15:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Thank you for correcting my error.I really appreciate it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I decided to investigate when someone commented "Wait until the user edits" after you had clearly stated that the user had already created a page. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Mind Game
Cherish life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Momentary (talk • contribs) 08:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Orphan??
You tagged Gaute Kivistik as an orphan. Considering that it falls into the categories, Category:Estonian humorists, are you sure it is appropriate?
Most of the Estonian editors on English Wikipedia left during and after this arbcom from last year, so Estonian-related topics develop incredibly slowly, but my understanding is that the orphan tag is intended for articles not tied to the rest of Wikipedia -- which is not the case when they belong to larger categories. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 23:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
- An article is considered to be an orphan if fewer than three other articles (not counting redirects, disambiguation pages, or list articles) link to it. The number of categories which an article belongs to is not relevant to orphan status. There are currently no articles other than redirects linking to Gaute Kivistik. The orphan tag should not be considered a negative, as it encourages Wikipedians to integrate the article into the encyclopedia by introducing appropriate links to it.
- I'm sorry to hear that so many Estonian editors left. Thank you for remaining and continuing to contribute. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
User:Bashereyres "funny five minutes"
Sorry about this- I was too eager. Creating an article about it later today. Bashereyre (talk) 07:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Okay. I had noticed that you created Hugh Maudsley Hordern, consisting of a template intended for talk pages, in the middle of rapidly creating identical talk pages for a bunch of your other articles. Since it looked like you just accidentally created that article, I figured I should point it out in case you weren't aware of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Sandbox and categories
Hi Mandarax
Why I can't use categories in my Sandbox? You wrote: "this page is in User space, so don't include it in categories".
For testing, please use the sandbox instead, yes or not.
With regards,
Dr Karel J. Labberté
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KJL 68 Watchdog 20:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hi. You're working on an article about Anastasiya Markovich on your page User:Labberté K.J./Sandbox. Yes, a sandbox is a good place for testing, but it should not be included in categories. I added a colon in front of each Category so the sandbox article wouldn't appear in those categories. Please see Wikipedia:Categorization#User namespace. The relevant passage states:
- "..user subpages that are draft versions of articles should not be categorized into mainspace categories."
- I like Markovich's paintings. Good luck with the article. MANdARAX_XAЯAbИAM_ NOTЄ ЭTOИ 22:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Guy Harvey
Nice edits on the Guy Harvey page I started (my first page to originate) - thanksMmyers1976 (talk) 20:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. It's nice to know that my minor enhancements are appreciated. Congratulations on your first article, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I got a bit of a shock
this morning when I checked my watchlist and discovered a bunch of very odd edits that, to me, could only be the work of a wikistalker, vandal or something even worse. It turned out to be you changing, Icelandicizing if you will, the name of Icelandic sculptor Einar Jónsson in several articles. it turns out that many of the occurrences of his name here were ones that I had done, so were on my watchlist. Anyway, I would like to thank you for doing this clean-up task behind me. Carptrash (talk) 16:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I must say I got a bit of a shock when I read the first sentence of your note. I'm glad you figured out that my intentions were only to improve Wikipedia. I would like to assure you that my edits had nothing to do with you. I had never examined the article histories, and was actually unaware that any one person had worked on all of those articles. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- Life is good. Carptrash (talk) 05:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Changes made by SmackBot
Hi, thanks for your message, SmackBot makes a number of changes that are available to all WP:AWB bots - in general these provide a number of non-controversial minor improvements.
The issue you raise is related to these, it is an issue known to the developers of WP:AWB.
Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 21:44 21 November 2008 (UTC).
Mhm
Np. M.H.ITrue Romace iS Dead 21:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Mandarax, and thanks for your little note. I use wikipedia partly to educate myself, and that's the day I learned to spell. Best! --Lockley (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
YOB instead of DOB. Check instructions
Hi. Concerning this edit of yours, I would like to inform you that for article pages we use Category:Year of birth missing instead of Category:Date of birth missing. If, there is a reason to add the latter, please add it to the Talk page instead but first read WP:PRIVACY and the instructions in the categories above. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
- I was actually aware of the correct one to use. The edit you found was an accident. Thank you very much for correcting my mistake and pointing it out to me. I've looked through some of my edits, and in all of the other ones I've found, I did use the correct category. Still, I'll be extra careful in the future. Thanks again. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Arthur L. Tuuri NEED LINK BETWEEN Charles Stewart Mott AND William C. Durant
Can you go to Charles Stewart Mott to write some where it say about Arthur L Tuuri and make it link... and also in Arthur L Tuuri make link to Charles Stewart Mott? By the way... Thanks YOU for wonderful EDIT (so that way it can remove orphan) CFBancroft (talk) 05:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
One More Thing... Can you write up something it say about three people have honor to name Elementary School "DTM" ... You can write up inside William C. Durant, Charles Stewart Mott and Arthur L. Tuuri... and make it all three link each other? Thank You! CFBancroft (talk) 05:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Please go to website and look at DTM School It will helpful for your write up. CFBancroft (talk) 06:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
need update this one and make new "Durant - Tuuri - Mott" in wiki then all three people and with school so that way all 4 across reference!!! Thanks... CFBancroft (talk) 06:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
good info for you to add more refer to three people and school also it talk about Mott give $100,000.00 to help set up DTM school ... I let you read that article ... it will help us to write up better "meat" to three people and school... Oh by the way I went to that school 40 YEARS AGO... that is long time ago. CFBancroft (talk) 06:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome for the edits I made to Arthur L. Tuuri. I did the editing because it was an article in need of some work, but I don't really have much interest in the subject. You, on the other hand, seem to be very passionate about it, and you should be the one to continue with the project. Good luck with your editing. - mandarax • xɐɹɐpuɐɯ 08:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of Arthur L. Tuuri
Wikipedia:Don't demolish the house while it's still being built
Wikipedia:Give an article a chance
You may said Speedy deletion on Arthur L. Tuuri itself in Wiki... But do NOT say anything in my user talk... just be nice said "Please look at Arthur L. Tuuri that you already wrote recently... I did tag it." So that way I will go to that page and I will find out myself... I don't need TWICE... you can said "it rub my nose twice"
So... Please change your software or script to reduce info inside user talk... Thank You... CFBancroft (talk) 09:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- I really don't have a clue what you're talking about. I tagged the article which did not seem to establish notability of the subject. I'm not sure if you're complaining because I left a note on your user talk page notifying you about the tag, or if you somehow erroneously think that I either notified you twice or didn't notify you at all. It is standard Wikipedia practice to notify the author (once), and that's exactly what I did.
- When I returned to the article later, I saw that you had added some information, so I went to the effort of cleaning it up. I was happy to do so, because that's what I do here -- I work on improving articles. Maybe you're upset because I didn't carry out the assignments you gave me, but, as I mentioned, I'm not interested in the subject and I have no desire to research and write or edit extra articles just so your article can get the Orphan tag removed. - mandarax • xɐɹɐpuɐɯ 10:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- I am sorry that I am not clear first time... I talk about I do not need FULL two Paragraph in in my user talk... Can you write just one or two line... (in software or script) tell me go to see the main page then I can read whole two paragraph itself in article... I am NOT complain that you send direct to AUTHOR... Thank you for notice... I am sorry ... I am excite... because you write good english... not me... I understood that you not interest... I will try my best to write myself in article and let some body clean up later. once again thank you for your wonderful time to respond on this!!! CFBancroft (talk) 10:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- The notice is a standard one used whenever a page is nominated for speedy deletion. Yes, it's somewhat redundant with what's on the nominated page, but I guess the idea is to make sure that the user understands why a page may be deleted, how to contest its deletion, and other information. I've removed the notification from your user talk page so it's not cluttering it up any more. Thanks for continuing to contribute to Wikipedia. - mandarax • xɐɹɐpuɐɯ 11:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- I see your Point of View... There is no right or wrong... What you just did redundant that is good to some of people... Anyway many thanks!!! for your input! CFBancroft (talk) 11:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Your note
Thanks for the acknowledgement and for introducing me to the WikiGnome concept. I love it! LilHelpa (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I'm glad I mentioned WikiGnomes to you. How ironic that such a shining example of them wasn't familiar with them. Keep up the good work. Oh, and I noticed the new Gnome mushroom on your User page -- looks good. mandarax • xɐɹɐpuɐɯ 09:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
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