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Deleted I changed your userbox category as the old one is being deleted/redirected. I also noted that it was uncategorized. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

e/c & support as nom

Morning Matthew, funny how we managed to both e/c each other, you won one, I won one, it's a tie. Anyway, I was wondering, you've just supported DTNG series 5 as nom. Curious as to whether you think this'll be counted as one of the four supports required....? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The nomination is usually counted as a support, I just wanted to state it to be sure it got noticed. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 07:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Bloc Party

For a second I thought you were right, but it turns out the nominator just did a ton of work really quickly and made it look like it does now. Take a look at the history, and you'll see what I mean. Thanks for the heads up though. Drewcifer (talk) 00:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review assistance requested

I started a peer review at WikiProject video games for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. If you could copyedit it or put in any other suggestions, I'd appreciate it: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Peer_review#The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time. Thanks! Voyaging^(talk) 01:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Robinepowell pest

Hey Matthew, I've asked her to explain her edit, and, as I usually do, will escalate my warning as required and block if necessary. I'm always prepared to give people a chance to explain and since I'm unware of her previous behaviour I'll be doing that here too. Let me know should you spot any more of her silly edits. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Vol peer review

Hey i noticed your on the vol peer review. It says in brackets albums and singles. Does that mean everything else is off limits? Theres quite a mammoth article i would appreciate for help with? If you go beyond albums and singles you might be interested. Either way could you send me a message at my talk page. cheers. Realist2 (talk) 20:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

OK basically, a few months ago the Michael Jackson article was put up for FA. It failed and i made all the corrections suggested. A few months latter I contacted one of those reviews who failed it informing them that "it had been improved and was it worth renominating". She agreed it had improved significantly but suggested i seek a peer review first. Obviously MJ is a complex article, its not only the music, 40% of the article is about his private life, its a mammoth task, but if it were to get to FA it would be an accomplishment any wiki person would be proud of. Realist2 (talk) 22:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you lead me in the right direction to do that, i have no prior experience with PR... SO SO SORRY. Realist2 (talk) 22:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

OK thats done!!!!Realist2 (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

OK ill leave it to you, its nearly 2am where i am so i'll be clocking off soon. I look forward to what i find in the morning. Realist2 (talk) 00:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, are you still helping with this? Realist2 (talk) 20:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes for some reason it went all the way down their, it took me ages to find, i do appreciate this very much. Realist2 (talk) 20:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, ive started to study your advise and make the improvements. Thankyou once again. If i need any further advise ill let you know. Realist2 (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

CTV/Shirley Douglas

If you're going to link to CTV, you should make sure you know how to link it properly. There is more then one CTV.

Also when you moved all the info on Season 7 over, you forgot about Shirley Douglas who's guest appearence is Bust a Move Part 2 and airs tommorow in the U.S. Her guest announcement was made last September, long before Kylie Mingou's. Shirley Douglas is Canadian to boot. Robinepowell (talk) 19:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

CTV was linked to CTV Television Network. Kylie Minogue isn't appearing - Natasha Bedingfield is, as verified by the references that were already there. Apologies for accidentally removing Shirley Douglas, though. I reverted your edit because some sentences were turned into gobbledygook, but the bit about Shirley should be put back. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No worries Matthew, just keep me up to speed with what's happening. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh well! Keep me in touch. And as for the FLCR etc, I'm probably opting out for good now. Need to keep my cool. I've been accused of making a point, I think it somewhat ironic that because an NHL fan couldn't get FL he's going to attempt to delist seven existing FL's which saw no objection on these grounds during their FLCs. So I need to have a cup of tea and worry about other things! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Not a chance, I'll be sticking around FLC for a while yet! No, just these particular debates. The medal of honor stuff, this season issue and Arsenal players, I'm happy to sit back and see the conclusion now although I note that the debate has been going on some time no with no sign of closure! As a 'crat I'd be closing it as no consensus but then I'm naturally biased am I not?! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what we're supposed to do. Even if complete lists were possible they'd be unmanageable. Splitting them is useless because their sortability goes to ruin, unless you sort them by criteria such as appearances. A rename on this basis was rejected. Looks like WP:FOOTBALL are being picked on! Anyway, as I said, time for tea... ! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

US PD Officers - Notability

Notability of Clyde May

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Notability of David Brooks (LAPD officer)

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Notability of A.B. Cursey

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Notability of Cecil Bowman

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Notability of James Wylie

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Notability of Floyd Eiler

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Notability of James Crehan

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Notability of Robert V. Murray

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A.B. Cursey

Can you be a more careful while creating new articles? The stub template should be below the "References" section, not above the "References" section. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 00:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Apologies. I haven't created any before, and couldn't find the rule which said where to place it. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Floyd Eiler

Sorry about the speedy nom, now removed -- just curious as to how this office is notable per WP:N? – ukexpat (talk) 00:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

External references in reliable sources. I can also go downtown to the LA county library, where the Los Angeles Herald is archived and look for old articles. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

OK I accept there are sources reporting their deaths, but is that the sole reason for their notability, the fact that they died in the line of duty?  – ukexpat (talk) 00:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps create one article that listed the less notable ones en masse would be better than a single article for each, which will require more work to check for notability and magnetize deletion requests? - Owlmonkey (talk) 01:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Uh... yeah basically, for right now. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 01:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

And I am, User:Matthewedwards/Sandbox/List of LAPD officers killed in the line of duty here. I'd like to get it to WP:FLC eventually, but that would mean wikilinking each person for Wikipedia:Featured list criteria 1a1. Unless it slides through on 1a3. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 01:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Owlmonkey's idea is a sensible - the two line stubs will probably be Afd'd in due course.  – ukexpat (talk) 01:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll go down that route for now then. Thanks for the suggestions. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 01:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of a number of articles

I have deleted a number of articles you have created. Unfortunately a policeman killed in the line of duty does not necessary make a notable person. Please see WP:NOTABILITY. I a can make these articles available in your user page if you want - leave me a note. Thanks/wangi (talk) 02:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)/

I've now restored these following discussion with others: User talk:Wangi#Speedy delete of John Toolen. Apologies for the run around! Thanks/wangi (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review request

Hello, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving a peer review to the Janet Jackson article. It just achieved GA and I'd like a review to prepare for FA.Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 23:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll get right on it either tonight or tomorrow. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

April GA Newsletter

The April issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is now available. Dr. Cash (talk) 03:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Dirty Dancing Peer Review

Hi, I saw your name at WP:PRV. If you're available, I'd appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Peer review/Dirty Dancing. Thanks, Elonka 12:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll get right on it either tonight or tomorrow. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Degrassi

I decline to speedy the list of episodes. Although you seem to have been the principal creator of that page, you are not the only contributor. You say the material is better presented in the main article, but I do not see it there. What you are essentially proposing is a destructive merge, and this must obtain explicit consensus. If it has been obtained, please show me where it is & I'll proceed in accordance with that--otherwise, take it to afd. DGG (talk) 00:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

April GA Newsletter

The April issue of the WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter is now available. Dr. Cash (talk) 03:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Robinepowell

Hey Matthew. Just try to stay calm. Your approach so far is correct, attempting to initiate communication with her and going about your business in a level headed manner. I've asked her to consider her approach so we'll have to see what happens from there. Again, let me know should she cause further disruption. As for the LAPD list, let me have a look and I'll get back to you. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

LAPD list

Hi Matthew, I've had a quick look at the list. Firstly I'm not sure that being killed in the line of duty alone will be sufficient to meet WP:BIO, hence the deletions you've witnessed. So, with that in mind, should an officer meet WP:BIO then I'd definitely encourage an article to be written. If not then I'm not clear how big and ungainly the table will become should you put the footnotes in the table itself. I personally don't have a big problem with loads of footnotes, there's stacks of information in the table already so you may just overload it if you cram the notes in there too. Plus it'd make the article even longer as your notes column would probably only occupy 10% of the width of the article versus the 100% they currently have. Hope some of that makes sense (I'm still half-asleep!). All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 08:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Degrassi Episodes

In case you didn't notice, the DVD section is already listed on the main page of Degrassi. I've deleted for two reasons from the other section. First most of the dates are wrong and secondly that section of Degrassi is for the episodes, not DVDs. Thirdly why would you have the DVDs listed twice?

The titles, they have always been two parters, not just "in syndication", I know because I've watched them here and my satellite guide listed them as two parters, not to mention my (Canadian) TV Guide when they aired. Also there's the fact that when it's an hour long episode it is always mentioend to be two parts and titled that way. I don't why you would think otherwise.

http://www.ctv.ca/mini/degrassi2006/Video10.html Robinepowell (talk) 19:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request

I'm wonder if you would peer review the Alan Kulwicki article some day when you have time. It passed GA without comment. It's my first attempt at FA. I'm concerned about the "brilliant prose" part of FA, not the technical (car racing) aspects of the article. I had User:4u1e and others review the technical aspects of the article. He feels too close to the topic to give a fair prose review. Kulwicki is dead for over a decade, so there's no big rush. Thanks! Royalbroil 02:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Damn, robot! You gotta give a guy time to do it! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Degrassi

Hi, sorry for any confusion. This is what I meant:

Template:Scroll box

Quote: "This template should not be used in main article space, as it renders any content obscured within the template unprintable. This is especially true with text content, such as citations, according to a June 2007 discussion."

And this was the June 2007 discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_June_11#Template:Scrollref

I know you used a code instead of the actual template, but they are the same, and we are not supposed to use it in the article namespace, unless I;m mistaken in which you can correct me. Thanks! (and I'll stop rambling now), ‽² (Talk²/Contributions²) 18:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation?

I ran across User:Matthewedwards/Sandbox/List_of_7th_Heaven_episodes and noticed that it said that it was a copyright violation and that you were working to remove the offending material. However, I note that your only edit to the page was on 2008-03-20 even though the page has been in userspace since September 2007. This sounds like a WP:CSD#G12 deletion, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I can't find the deleted page; however, please explain how the article can be in your userspace at all if it is a copyright violation? Thanks.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 18:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I was going to work on it, got sidetracked, came back to it, and posted the current version that is at List of 7th Heaven episodes. This shouldn't still be here and so I've {{db-user}}ed it. Thanks for reminding me. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 23:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Giants head coaches

 Done - Milk's favorite Cookie 01:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for adminship

Heya, I'd just like to let you know that I have been nominated for adminship at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Gary King and would appreciate your input. Cheers! Gary King (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

A Day in the Life PR

I would appreciate it if you could do a peer review for A Day in the Life, which is a song by the Beatles. I'm in the process of making it a GA, and would like some advice. Thanks. Cheers, Kodster (Willis) (Look what I can do) 22:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Bread and tingzzz

Hi Matthew, the article Bread was probably on your list. A vandal had moved it to Bread and tingzzz which would have put that on your list too. I then moved it back to its correct name and deleted the vandalized version, which is what you saw. Best, Gwernol 20:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of International Mathematical Olympiads

I just realized you'd replied to my comment (about a week too late) and I replied again. Would you have another look? Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 02:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Cities in Israel

Thanks for the comments Matthew. Ive responded to them at the FLC page. Flymeoutofhere (talk) 10:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Giants head coaches

I finished all the suggestions from you and TRM. Thanks - Milk's favorite Cookie 18:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Detroit Lions head coaches

I finished your along with everyone else's suggestions's here. Thanks! - Milk's favorite Cookie 22:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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I think I've addressed your remaining concern at the aforementioned FLC. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 16:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/List of UEFA club competition winning managers

It lives! I withdrew it, despite pretty convincing support. Anyway, I added the list which I and Struway2 considered to be missing, it made FL this evening, so I thought I'd go for the FT again. Just wanted to let you know the topic was listed again. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

	<font=3> Thanks for your support and comments - List of tributaries of Larrys Creek made featured list! Take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Prehistoric Scotland

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Comprehensive long lists‎ discussion

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Re: Degrassi

{{talkback}} Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 02:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Degrassi Summaries

I'd like to leave them, it gives fans a chance to remember what happened in which episode. Is there some reason why the summaries should be removed? Robinepowell (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

There are a couple of reasons:

1. there is no point repeating the same information in two places,
2. the page is extremely long, size-wise, and
3. Wikipedia is not a fansite. http://www.degrassitngho.com is, and a very good one at that. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, with encyclopaedic content, and should not pander to the wishes of fans, even if Wikipedia is one of the sites they come to for the information. The link to the relevent season is only one click away, anyway.

Regards, -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 21:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC) P.S. I have copied this conversation to talk:List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes#summaries in order to centralise the discussion. Please continue it there.

List of East Carolina Pirates head football coaches

Greetings again. I have created the list: List of East Carolina Pirates head football coaches, and I am asking if you for look over it for WP:FL quality. I want to get your opinion/thoughts now, before I carry it to WP:FLC. Thanks, PGPirate 00:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say the list talkpage, just in case people want to see the criticism. Thanks again, PGPirate 01:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

btw, I added responses to the talkpage. PGPirate 02:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

You've never been hated on by Free Republic?

Believe me (and I speak from personal experience), if you ever read anything they "report" on where you know the facts behind it, you'll think you've slid into a parallel universe or something. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I've never really used Free Republic, except for the three times I discussed with JzG. And for that they hadn't reported, simply copy/pasted articles which no longer feature on the original published website. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Production history of The Devil Wears Prada

Just because it's been over a year since I put it there and haven't acted on it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. The article is entirely too long as it is ... and I do mean to do it soon (the GA nomination has been a big spur to that). I can understand pulling the split tag over that, but if you have some reason why you think it shouldn't be done, I'd like to read it. Daniel Case (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say that having a template like that would make the article quick fail GA. I also do not think that splitting it off is a "necessary action". No other GA or FA film article has done this, for one thing. Secondly, the section goes too deeply into "unnecessary details" (from GA?) The Preproduction subsection is one paragraph. This could easily be merged into another. Casting and Acting subsections could be slimmed down and merged into the Cast section. There are other things, and if I were to review it (which is the reason I came to the page in the first place), I would probably fail it, as I think the changes needed to get it to GA are too vast to be done in one week. It's a shame, too, 'cause I like the movie, so I'd like to see the article become one of greatness, too. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The section at Talk:The Devil Wears Prada (film)#Notes to GA reviewer doesn't look good to any potential reviewer either. Most will probably think it should be done before taking to GAC. By the way, has the article been peer reviewed? -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes it has been peer reviewed. Someone else made the nomination, which is why I put the note in. The split was discussed and approved on WT:FILM over a year ago ... the consensus was that it was going to happen to some film article sooner or later (consider that with the new DVD, there's enough good, sourceable stuff on Blade Runner to justify a similar article there. I had intended to split it, then nominate it for GA myself when I was damn good and ready ... I was so burned out after having put so much effort into it (On the other hand, I think it's rather a compliment when someone else nominates an article you've put so much into instead of yourself. Only one of the GAs (Jacobson v. United States) I claim credit for was my own nomination. But I suppose having my hand forced isn't such a bad thing). As it is, if I were reviewing it I'd fail it on the length issue. Daniel Case (talk) 02:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course it is. Someone nominated an article I'd heavily re-written. It failed, but is now a GA. GAC suggests it's not a good idea to promote an article you've worked on but it doesn't say anything about failing if you wished to do that. Note that as the discussion occurred over a year ago, opinions on separating it into another article may be different now. The PR was over a year ago, too. Another one wouldn't do any harm. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd prefer to leave it up to an impartial reviewer ... having done enough GA review myself I believe that process should be kept taint-free (Despite the GA promotions of three articles I've worked on heavily from the NY roads project, I am a little troubled that they were promoted by other editors from the US roads project. I don't feel New York State Route 32 is as complete and comprehensive as I would like it to be, for instance). I thanked the nominator for the compliment, but explained the situation. He's a rather new editor and may not have perfectly understood the GA standards. Still, it would be up to him to withdraw the nomination. I went through the article with a pen yesterday and, apart from the separation (that section got as long as it did because all the filmmakers are surprisingly forthcoming, both on the DVD commentary and in interviews, about explaining why specific production and creative decisions were made, and I think that information is encyclopedic. Maybe not all of it, but most of it. I will resubmit the question to WT:FILM, but I don't think consensus will have changed. And another peer review wouldn't hurt either, you're right). Daniel Case (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request

Hello. I'm contacting you per the suggestions of the Peer Review page as you have listed yourself as someone interested in reviewing films. I overhauled the article on David Lynch's Mulholland Dr. within the past week, and added a lot of information in a short period of time. This is the first film article I've worked on, although I have written other extensive articles. I would appreciate any feedback you can give. You can find the Peer review page here. Thanks! --Moni3 (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I've never encountered the user page response you used on the peer review page. I don't know how to respond to it, so I responded instead on the talk page of the article. Thank you for your time. --Moni3 (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review Request for Slipknot album

Hello! I was wondering if you could do a peer review/copy edit on Slipknot (album), it was failed as a GA becuase it "needs a copy-edit and the reception section was too short". That was pretty much all they said, we cannot find any more reviews to add to the reception section, as many sites use the same review, copy and pasted from the All Music Guide. They didn't leave any suggestions on which sections needed concentrated on, I was disappointed with how vague they were, despite my efforts to find out what else they thought needed done. If you're too busy let me know, although I would appreciate it if you knew anyone else who might be willing to do a review. Thank You! Blackngold29 21:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you can leave them on the talk page, that would be great. Thanks! Blackngold29 01:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey thanks! We probably should've requested a review before putting it up for GA. You gave good in depth descriptions of what needs to be done, which really helps, shouldn't take too long to get them fixed. It's not a big deal, but if you have any spare time would you mind taking a look at Slipknot (band), it is a GA, but has not been promoted to FA status as we had hoped. You don't have to do an all out review, as I don't expect too many things to be wrong, but any small suggestions would help. Thanks again! Blackngold29 04:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

No rush at all, whenever you can get to it. Thanks! Blackngold29 04:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems that User:SkyllaLaFey has begun to work on Slipknot (band) in his sandbox. We contacted him about a month ago and thought he had forgotten, but it seems he has remembered. So I would recommend going there to see it when you go to look over it; I'll let you know if he moves it back to the regular page. I left a few more comments on Talk:Slipknot (album) about sections I think should be merged, I was wondering what you think. Thanks! Blackngold29 19:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Degrassi DVDs

Again I'd like to know why the DVDs are listed under the episode section and with the wrong release dates for Canada. There's already a seperate section for DVDs which can be found from the list on the main page which reflects the right release dates for the Canadian DVD releases. Robinepowell (talk) 04:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Please provide evidence, in the form of links to reliable websites which show that the release dates for the Canadian discs are incorrect.

The dates at the main page, and on each season page reflect what is given here.

The article is FEATURED, and follows the style of all other featured episode lists.

It follows the style from the Television Wikiproject

It is a parent article to each season page. It gives an over-view of what is given in more detail at those pages.

Please don't delete content again, and please continue the discussion at the talk page for the article, where I will now copy this thread. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to be a section for episodes and yet you continually insist on adding DVDs with the WRONG DATES!!!! WHY?????? The DVDs are listed in another place more acurately, a place I think is better for them.

Why do you want the DVDs listed with the "episode overview". As for the wrong dates why not go to http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/shows/Degrassi-Generation/4977 and see for yourself. The only time that we Canadians had a different release date was Season 1. Robinepowell (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not discuss this with me here any more. Take it to the article's talk page. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thriller

Hey could you add to the peer review of the Thriller album, if/when you have time. By the way, the MJ article is on FA, its doing rather well, no1 opposes. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 03:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The album please. On a side note relating to the MJ article, ive resolved the issues of all four people who have commented and it has receieved 1 support and zero opposees. Its looking promising, if you could do anything to the article or advise any improvements to seal the deal i would be greatful. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 05:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, ill get to it soon, ive got a lot on at the mo, i have others helping me though so they might help. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 02:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, Think everything is done, you might want to look at my feedback and see if you have any other issues. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 00:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, would it be possible for you to help with a copy edit of the Michael Jackon article. Its doing very very well, in part because of you previous advise. However i am its main contributer and english is not my first language. If you could spare an hour to go over it i would be very very greatful, please if you have time. YoursRealist² ('Come Speak To Me') 02:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes

I've reported Robin for the 3RR violation and her continuing to remove the table for no other reason than her claim that the Canadian dates are wrong. However, I can not undo her last removal without possibly violating 3RR so can you revert when you get a chance? Collectonian (talk) 06:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm surprised 3RR didn't block, but at least the list is safe for awhile. Following the Dispute Resolution procedures, I've left a request for comment/help on her continuing to change the dates in the season pages and her actions with the main list in the TV project. If this fails and she continues, an RfC or ANI may be the next step. I hope all this doesn't end up causing problems with the featured topic run :( Collectonian (talk) 05:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I have given you a source for the DVDs, it's the same as all other DVDs TVShowsOnDVD. As for the Season 7 title it's Jesse, without an "i". http://www.ctv.ca/mini/degrassi2006/Photo1.html?degrassi_708/photo_0.html#photoArea Robinepowell (talk) 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No, it is with an i. See the on-screen credits. CTV only broadcasts the show. They have the typo. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 05:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Blue Heelers (season 13) FLC

Hello Matthew Edwards,

Just a quick note asking for your consideration of Blue Heelers (season 13) (article talk) (FLC page). I noticed you had left comments, which I have carried out, and now I am asking for your consideration again, as the list still has not garnered enough support votes and is due to end shortly.

Thankyou, Daniel99091 (talk) 06:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC).

Times

What happened here? Is it something you did, or a Wikipedia-wide change? --Dweller (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It could have been a problem with the edit conflict, but I don't know why. It's certainally not something I did purposefully, but it seems to be as a resuly of something I did. I hope people don't get mad with me! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 20:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I wouldn't worry, they shouldn't. I was just curious meself! --Dweller (talk) 20:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed it, too... the clock turned back a month. Not really the same as Daylight saving time. Gary King (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Green Wing FLC

I've tried to carry out the changes that you have asked for. I believe I have covered everything. ISD (talk) 07:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Pink Floyd discography

I'm not taking away the b-sides. All the other discographies has it like Nirvana discography and Alice in Chains discography --Freedom (song) (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Foo Fighters

Thanks for the pointers. Are you sure that its US, then English spking countries (in alphabetical order) then foreign (in alphabetical order) then WW. Or is it just US, then all other countries in alphabetical order. This is what another user has said. I am planning to make the edit tomorrow, so I would appreciate some advice. Thanks. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 00:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:CHART says home country first, followed by all others alphabetically. It's my opinion that as this is the English language Wikipedia, that other English language charts should come before non-English language charts. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Jersey City buildings image map

Thank you very much! I really should learn how to do this myself, as it would greatly add to other building lists...

• The Towers of America complex is actually composed of four buildings, each with a green pyramidal roof. Only one is fully visible, with a second behind it and a third partially cut off by the the all-glass-building.
• The all-glass building on the shoreline is actually not tall enough to be included in the list (it just looks taller than other buildings beacuse it is right on the water). So, it doesn't have its own article.
• The two twin towers are the Liberty View Towers, and yes, they are joined by the 9-story base.

Thanks again for doing this! Cheers, Rai•me 03:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Perhaps I should add myself to the contributors to the Skyscraper WikiProject, offering my services. Do you think they'd be called upon? -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

BTW, do you know which two of the Towers of America building there is in that image? -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be great! They would certainly be called upon - the Jersey City list is currently the only tallest building list with an imagemap, but it has been frequently mentioned that it would nice to have these on all building lihttp://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_sig.png

Your signature with timestampsts (FLs in particular). But, no one seems to know how to create imagemaps, myself included. And unfortunately, I don't know which of the Towers of America is in the image - you can see from this diagram that they are all identical. Cheers, Rai•me 03:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, well I added myself at the project. I'll leave a comment on the talk page soon. I didn't bother naming each tower in the mapping, instead I chose to link to the article only. Note that that link you gave me says the Southampton tower was built in 2000, but the Wikipedia List says 1998. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much - I guess I made a mistake when creating the list. I will fix that now. Cheers, Rai•me 03:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

If you want to give a list of pages that need doing, just post it right here, and I'll make an effort to get them all done. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 03:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

HELP!

What does The second and third paragraphs of the lead need citations. What is a paragraphs.--Freedom (song) (talk) 07:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Delta Goodrem discography

Hey, I've addressed the issues you have raised in regards to Delta Goodrem discography's FLC. Please take a look and leave further comments if necessary. Cheers. σмgнgσмg^(talk) 12:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

You've only replied to the first paragraph of my response. There are still 2 more daunting paragraphs left. =) Cheers. σмgнgσмg^(talk) 01:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Your replies addressed my issues satisfactorily, and I had nothing else to say about it, is all. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 01:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Highlander: The Series (season 1)'s FLC

Hello, I feel I have addressed the comments you made concerning this FLC. Would you have another look ? Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 16:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have addressed your comment. Do you see anything else ? Rosenknospe (talk) 08:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for help with {{shortcut}}

The for the help. I think they are all cleanup up for now. More have been showing up as pages get recompiled but I hope we've got most of it now. Best wishes.

--DRoll (talk) 04:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a bundle, both of you, for helping to clear out CAT:SHORTFIX !!! Now I'll wait a day or so to see that no more delayed category updates show up and then I'll add the new anchor dropping functionality to the shortcut boxes.

--David Göthberg (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. I see that you noticed that some of the templates listed in Wikipedia:Template documentation/List have become protected since that list was created. When you discover several similar things that are protected don't do a {{editprotected}} request for each of them, since that is more work for both you and the admin who have to mark it done on all those talk pages. Instead do a single request somewhere and list all the pages needed handling in one request. And you can add more requests to the same list later and activate the {{editprotected}} again, as long as you strike out the already done ones.

But in the Wikipedia:Template documentation/List case you can do it even easier, just add a comment next to the item saying "Protected page" and I or some other admin who checks that list will take care of it later.

Oh, and I took a look at some of your edits. I think you should reread the Wikipedia:Template documentation carefully since you seem to be missing parts of how to do it. (Sorry to complain. I love your hard work.)

Hmm. I'm not really sure what the right way is, then. I thought it was simply replacing {{/doc}} with {{documentation}}. I'll stick to the other two for now! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 18:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

What tools are you using? You seem to be able to work very fast.

--David Göthberg (talk) 13:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

No tools, it's all manual. I have AWB and VandalProof, but they're a real pain and I rarely use them! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Degrassi FT

Hey Matthew, I missed it (been busy) but well done on your FT with Degrassi. Excellent work! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! The first of many I hope! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 18:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I forgot yours passed too! Congratulations! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Copy-editing request

Hi there. I am writing for your assistance for the article NeXT. It is currently up at FAC, and has done very well so far, but one reviewer has noted the article needs a copy-edit from an editor not already involved. I am the main contributor, and would love to see this finally become a featured article (it's failed three times already). A list of the main issues which need addressing can be found at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/NeXT. Please let me know if you can get around to copy-editing this within the week. Thanks! — Wackymacs (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm really sorry but I'm going to have to pass. I'm moving out of my apartment today and tomorrow, and my new one won't be ready until the 9th (it needs new paint, carpet and appliances because the previous tenants trashed it). Until then I won't have access to a computer because I'm going to be sleeping in my truck or something, I guess. Sorry. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 20:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Understood, No problem. Good luck with the move. — Wackymacs (talk) 22:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nowrap edits

Please be careful with the edits you have made: 1. Instead of {{•w}} being placed {{w}} was. This transcluded the welcome template on a few pages. Thanks. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I've been doing hundreds manually, but that's my only major slip-up! Thanks for fixing it! -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 01:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Robinepowell and Degrassi

She's back and reverting everything again, despite the blocks and page protections. I've reported her to AN/I if you'd like to add/comment. I've also reported her to 3RR for five reverts on the season 4 list and requested that all the pages be reprotected. *sigh* You'd think 4 blocks since January, and 6 since she started editing would be enough already. Collectonian (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Wonderful. Thanks for giving me the heads up. Unfortunately I won't be around for 14 days or so to keep an eye on things :(. She's gotten on my last nerve already.

BTW, did you notice User:The Rambling Man has taken a wikibreak? I think it's from the recent vandalism to his page and an argument about the letter "s" :( -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I hadn't noticed :( I'm extra grateful he commented on my current FLC now. Can't say as I blame him...dealing with stuff like this is draining while trying to do real edits. And ditto on Robin and nerves. :( Collectonian (talk) 02:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

"Cleaning up etc usage. Learn more at WP:NOWRAP"

Hi. One small request re the above: Please retain any <div>s you find framing a {{nowrap begin}}...{{nowrap end}} as they reduce the relatively wide gap between wrapped lines. Thanks for taking on some cleaning. Sardanaphalus (talk) 02:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Sardanaphalus: Eh? That is usually not true. When one add the {{nowrap begin}} + {{nowrap end}} then the the DIVs has no function anymore and can be removed. Usually has no effect on the margins, except in theory if the DIVs contain style="" code that tinkers with the margins. But I have never seen that in any navboxes. Are there any such cases around?

Anyway, Matthewedwards cleaned out the whole list I gave him so he's done!

--David Göthberg (talk) 04:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• I find the difference between this:

|listN = <div>
{{nowrap begin}}....{{nowrap end}}
</div>

and this:

|listN = {{nowrap begin}}....{{nowrap end}}

is that the gap between wrapped lines within the {{nowrap begin}}....{{nowrap end}} isn't too wide when the <div> is used. At least, not with Firefox. (I'm assuming something like |liststyle = line-height:1.4em; hasn't been set.) Here's a navbox test:

Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm. It looks to be rendered exactly the same in Firefox and IE7 for me.. I don't understand this, and the list is done, anyway. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 16:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• This is how it looks here, i.e. the lines in the "with <div>" are slightly closer together -- and, as I forgot to include above, there's also a little more padding above and below the list as a whole, making it more clearly distinguishable from lists above/below it. Perhaps all this might be clearer in an extended example:

Screenshot for the navbox above as it appears here is here. Yes, it's subtle but I find makes a significant difference when actual lists of links with varying names are used. Setting liststyle = line-height:1.4em; is an alternative, but the consequent lack of padding between lists can sometimes defeat the effect. I guess what I'm driving toward is lists formatted something like: <div style="padding:0.35em 0; line-height:1.4em;">{{nowrap begin}}...{{·w}}...{{nowrap end}}</div>:

Sardanaphalus (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, now I see the difference. I think that adding <div style="padding:0.35em 0; line-height:1.4em;">{{nowrap begin}}...{{·w}}...{{nowrap end}}</div> to each list in every template is a clumsy way of bogging down Wikipedia's server juice though. Can't {{navbox}} etc be amended instead? -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 00:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• I agree and think I will ask if this styling may be implemented alongside the amended {{navbox}} about to be deployed to see what people think -- see User talk:CapitalR#Perhaps of interest. Sardanaphalus (talk) 07:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)