User talk:Mattwithoutabat

A bat for you![edit]

	Matt with a bat
	I heard you didn't have a bat, Matt. So I got you one! JMDoran (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some sources on William J. Seymour[edit]

"Enrichment Journal." Web. 24 Apr. 2015.

Anderson, Allan. An Introduction to Pentecostalism: Global Charismatic Christianity. Cambridge, U.K.: Cambridge UP, 2004. Print.

This source has a bad reputation for being inaccurate. The author made several public apologies about it. I would not bother reading it, if I were you. JMDoran (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bartleman, Frank. Azusa Street. Plainfield, NJ: Logos International, 1980. Print.

Borlase, Craig. William Seymour: A Biography. Lake Mary, FL: Charisma House, 2006. Print.

Creech, Joe. "Visions of Glory: The Place of the Azusa Street Revival in Pentecostal History." Church History 65.03 (1996): 405. Print.

This is a very interesting article. Make sure to read Espinosa's opinion about Creech's scholarship in the introduction to the William J. Seymour book.

Espinosa, Gastón. William J. Seymour and the Origins of Global Pentecostalism: A Biography and Documentary History. Print.

Miller, Donald E. Spirit and Power: The Growth and Global Impact of Pentecostalism. Print.

This one won't have too much on W.J. Seymour. JMDoran (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Robbins, Joel. "The Globalization Of Pentecostal And Charismatic Christianity." Annual Review of Anthropology 33.1 (2004): 117-43. Print.

Robeck, Cecil M. The Azusa Street Mission and Revival: The Birth of the Global Pentecostal Movement. Nashville: Nelson Reference & Electronic, 2006. Print.

Synan, Vinson, Charles R. Fox, and William Joseph Seymour. William J. Seymour: Pioneer of the Azusa Street Revival. Alachua, FL: Bridge Logos Foundation, 2012. Print.

Outline for proposed changes[edit]

I'll begin the changes by fleshing out the Early life and career section on the page in order to discuss more of his early influences and actions.

Religious affiliation of his parents and himself, showing religious influences on him during his early life.
Various pieces of information about his life prior to moving to Houston--more about his time in Indianapolis, for example, or about his experiences with the Evening Light Saints. Perhaps I'll be able to find a good source on the ELS, I'll have to look around some more.
Reasons for coming down to Houston to attempt to join Parham's school, if indeed there are any sources on that.
His relationship with Parham at this time, pre-Azusa.
More about his exclusion from Terry's parish.
Expand on his time at Lee's house and the beginning of the revival, including the decision to move to Azusa, which is currently in the article but not in great detail.
His marriage to Jenny Evans Moore--her name is mentioned in the side bar under Seymour's general information, but there is nothing about her in the meat of the article. Some notes on how that came about.
More on his beliefs on tongue-speech and how they differed from Parham's.

Next will come the expansion of the Azusa Street Revival section. Likely a picture, either of the old Azusa street location or whatever is there now, will be inserted.

More about the roles of minorities and women in the revival--the equality pushed for by Seymour.
The commissioning issue from Parham and Carothers, covered in Espinosa's book.
Sending out missionaries to various nations, such as the missions to India and China. Mere mentions.
Purpose of Apostolic Faith Newsletter and set up.
Relationship with some other important people in the revival--mere mentions.
His individual reception (not the reception of Azusa, but him personally) from other Christian groups, whether affiliated with the movement or not. May be difficult to find.
His exact day-to-day tasks. We talked about him being specifically a pastor, but what did that mean for him in his everyday life during Azusa?

Next, a new section on the issues and splits within the revival movement--named something like Controversies in the later revival or something similar.

Discuss what happened with the Apostolic Faith newsletter--its hijacking.
Near-loss of the church to Durham--what happened, why, and how. Results within the church.
His continued role in the church and the revival nearer to his death.

Either this section will end with a sentence on his death or that will come in another section after this, though I'm unsure what such a section would look like besides the news of his death. Perhaps post-Azusa? Although that seems strange, because that essentially went on to his death.

Finally, ending with a section on his Legacy.

The spread of global Pentecostalism, and its reliance of Azusa. Espinosa's book will be good for this, although his sources will also be checked.
How he is remembered and treated today in Pentecostal history, especially by the churches themselves.
How Azusa affected the growth of the Pentecostal and charismatic movements. I know the topic is not on Azusa, but it seems difficult to discuss the influence and relevance of Seymour without discussing the effect of Azusa on the Christian landscape.
Influence on other early, important figures in Pentecostalism, such as Aimee Semple McPhearson.

General fleshing out of sources. There is a lot of information on the page now that looks correct to me, but is totally unsourced, especially in the section on his legacy. Cleaning up grammar and syntax, as some sentences are awkwardly worded. This would most likely be the final step, although I'll also probably just be making minor changes to the sentence structures as they come to mind.

This seems like it will be a good plan for the update, although I don't know if it's too much, too little, or exactly what you're looking for.

This is exactly what I'm looking for. I think it looks like a good plan; now to get started on the reading! JMDoran (talk) 18:12, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]