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Wikidata weekly summary #243

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Attended the Wikimedia Developer Summit to talk about a lot of things (including editing Wikidata from Wikipedia directly, back-end work for structured data support for Commons - specifically Multi Content Revisions, ideas for improvements to the query service)
    • Final touches to get ArticlePlaceholder pages ready for search engine indexing
    • Continued working on "federation" – support for multiple Wikibase repositories (phab:T76007)
    • Clickable prototype for client editing is finally in the works!

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Your GA nomination of Royal Oak, Frindsbury

The article Royal Oak, Frindsbury you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Royal Oak, Frindsbury for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bungle -- Bungle (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Infobox person

Hi Mike. When you upgrade an infobox to a wikidata-aware version, you'll have to check that you get sensible results on each article if it is going to be 'opt-in'. One obvious mistake is setting local values to "FETCH_WIKIDATA", which is the way we had to do it in the older version. Have a look at your edit to Francis Patrick Dwyer for an example. Nikkimaria has fixed that, but has also reverted a lot of the work you did. I've restored some, but it's taking a while to work out what local parameters need to be retained. Perhaps you could take a look at what's been done so far to the articles you upgraded yesterday? Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi @RexxS: I thought I'd caught all of the FETCH_WIKIDATA's when I passed through the articles - I guess I missed that one. :-( If need be, this edit can be undone and that will add back the relevant checks for FETCH_WIKIDATA's (although it will also add the opt-out parameters back unless the {{{fetchwikidata|ALL}}}'s are changed to remove 'ALL'). I'll look through whatever Nikkimaria's been doing, although I haven't had any notices of any edits being reverted, and I can't spot anything at the infobox template... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
See Nikki's contributions and Talk:Tom Fenchel for a fuller picture. --RexxS (talk) 14:59, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #244

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • New administrator: Pyb is now admin on Wikidata!
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Development
    • Created a new Special:EntityPage, needed for federation (phabricator:T153499)
    • Sitelink "name" and "badges" in diffs are now translated (phabricator:T111016)
    • Worked on finalizing mockups for editing Wikidata from Wikipedia and co. Now working on the click-dummy for it so we can try it with you.
    • Last touches for automated sitelinks for Wiktionary.
    • A ton of refactoring needed for Wiktionary support.
    • More research on improving our input widgets (for example URL and date).

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Family in infobox person

The |family= in {{infobox person}} is described as "Family or house of the individual, if notable." - that's really family name (P734). It's not for including relatives, which has its own parameter, |relatives= described as "Names of siblings or other relatives. Include the relationship in parentheses after the name (sister, uncle, etc)." I may have to make a new call to aggregate Wikidata from multiple properties, like sibling (P3373) and relative (P1038), to fit that field, so I'd recommend using a local parameter for now. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@RexxS: Ah, OK. The infobox has been removed from the article I was using to test this anyway, so it can wait for a bit. BTW, have you seen Module:Wd? It seems to have some good stuff in it like fetching references from Wikidata, but probably duplicates Module:Wikidata quite a bit. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:04, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I hadn't seen it, which just goes to show how little coordination there is about development on Wikipedia. I like a lot of its functionality, but it suffers from the same problem as Module:Wikidata, that is, being rather too Wikidata-specific in its design philosophy, and it's hardly intuitive for a newcomer. I'm now trying to focus more on delivering what the end-users (mainly editors who curate articles and template creators) want. For example, it's ok to return a reference as <url, access date> but that's not really so useful as more articles use CS1 templates, especially when you can't just edit the reference into a style matching the type of CS1 in use elsewhere in the article. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 15:49, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

References from Wikidata

Please revert the changes to the Wikidata infobox which results in the addition of unacceptably poorly formatted references to our articles. [1] Bare URLS (to things like Wikisource of all places), references which are clearly insufficient (Britannica, which version?), ...

Your changes have e.g. given Margaret Blackwood an age of 107, despite on Wikipedia being long dead.

This is the third time (double website, empty DIED label, and now this) in one week that this infobox is actively making articles worse on Wikipedia. THis is unaveptable, an a very good reason why you shouldn't use this on 300+ articles and why you shouldn't reintroduce it on articles where it is removed (like the Sabatier one).

Please remove the infobox from most articles and stop pushing it in this way. Fram (talk) 08:54, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't make these changes, but they look like good steps forward, thanks for letting me know about them. :-) Mike Peel (talk) 13:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
My apologies for accusing you. They were obvious poor implementations though, not "good steps forward", so they have been removed. A step in the right dierction. Fram (talk) 21:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #245

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • RDF exports will contain sitelink page names as strings in addition to the URLs (phab:T148923)
    • Switching the remaining special pages for labels, descriptions and aliases to the OOUI design (phab:T48248)
    • Finalizing the security review of the Cognate extension for Wiktionary (phab:T149082)
    • We plan to provide og:image Open Graph tags for sharing Item pages in social networks (phab:T51859)
    • Introducing a new test framework for special pages (phab:T69122)
    • Refactoring the wbeditentity API to work with the new Lexeme entity type (phab:T154288)
    • Added docs/change-op-serializations.wiki documenting how to use the wbeditentity API
    • Added a CREDITS file to the Wikibase code base, listing all authors

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Frindsbury Vicarage

Hi Mike. Of the three references you gave (numbered [2], [3] and [4]): [2] is only a passing uncited reference, [3] I'll come to presently and [4] is "Document Unavailable // This document is unavailable for viewing at this time." I had seen the section in Frindsbury before, but had dismissed the whole paragraph as an anti-clerical rant and not paid any real attention to it. "The purpose of a mediaeval church was to raise revenue for the Bishop" – maybe in some places and at some times, but hardly for 400 years over the whole country! Again the confusion between rector and vicar doesn't bode well for its trustfulness.

Reference [3] is rather interesting though. Clearly from this the place was called the "Old Vicarage" by 1842. The "Old Parsonage" in Parsonage Lane dates from 1700. From structural evidence it is probable that the tower of Frindsbury Church was the priest's lodging from 1075. Whether the priest moved out before or at the reformation I don't know. Just to throw more confusion into the pot, "There was a chapel dedicated to St Peter (1142) within the Manor of Islingham. Services were held 1330 to 1542 when they were discontinued. The building became an oast house.", see All Saints Church, Frindsbury, reference [3] to Barnard's Merrily to Frendsbury-A History of the Parish of Frindsbury. Today Islingham Farm Road run NE from the intersection of the Wainscott bypass and the Highham Road. If Islingham itself was near the intersection then the "Old Vicarage" is roughly equidistant from the two churches. I will investigate further where exactly the old village was, modern developments have obscured the ancient settlement patterns.

I think two possible timelines are emerging. One is that from 1075 to the late medieval the priest lived in the tower, then moved to the Old Vicarage at Bill Street, before moving back to Parsonage Lane (and in the 20thC to a new vicarage also in Parsonage Lane). The other timeline is that the priest from Islingham chapel resided at the Old Vicarage from 1330 to 1542 when it was sold or leased into secular occupation. Again though, the situation is unclear. Was the "chapel" a chapel of ease? If it was it would not have had its own vicar?

Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:11, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Right, this is getting way more complicated! Islingham looks to be a red herring, there was a vicarage there for the period that the chapel was functioning. Hasted mentions both a parsonage and a vicarage for Frindsbury. Just to complicate things, St. Nicholas, Strood was a chapel under Frindsbury in the Middle Ages, I don't have to hand the date it was raised to full parochial status. Further complications come from the operation of Newark Hospital in the centre of Strood. Ah well, keeps me out of mischief I suppose. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:30, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Talking of keeping out of mischief- are we going to see you at London Meetup this Sunday. I will be taking the 12:02 SOO->STP if it is running, and walking through ClemRutter (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC).

Help drawing data from WikiData for Infobox company

Mike,

I'm looking for basic guidance doing what you did for "Infobox telescope" over in Template:Infobox_company. (Andy Mabbett on the wikidata listserve suggested you.)

Are Lua and Scribunto used? Are they the only (easiest and best?) option for this? Infobox company will likely experience fairly high demand (60k pages on the en site use it), if the same template were used worldwide that might put some incremental demand on the WikiData servers?

Will I be able to get to a point where one company (eg Volkswagen) will will be stored only once in Wikidata and only the language labels will change as en, de, fr wikipedia sites using the "global" template will call up the exact same data?

I understand the French Wikipedia site uses "Infobox Enterprise", drawing 100% of its data from WikiData: [[2]] I can use Google translate to look at how the French "Infobox Enterprise" works, but working in English is easier for me.

Would appreciate any pointers to documentation, examples, sandboxes, etc. I'm starting at ground zero here so I need to start with the very basics. Willing to put some effort into it.

Thanks! Rick (talk) 16:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Rick I'd be happy to help, but right now might not be the best time, until the deletion discussion about the Wikidata-driven infobox person template has concluded. It is quite simple to implement, though, and just requires knowledge of wikitext to implement the calls to the lua modules that @RexxS has been working on (Module:Wikidata and Module:WikidataIB). E.g., the line from Template:Infobox telescope that sets the 'named after' parameter is:
{{#invoke:WikidataIB|getValue|P138|name=namedafter|suppressfields={{{suppressfields|}}}|fetchwikidata={{{fetchwikidata|ALL}}}|onlysourced={{{onlysourced|no}}}|{{{namedafter|}}} }}
whereas it would traditionally just be:
{{{namedafter|}}}
That fetches the named after (P138) value from Wikidata, but only displays it if 'namedafter' is not defined in the template call; the field name ("name=") hasn't been suppressed ("suppressfield="); using Wikidata has been enabled ("fetchwikidata="); and we aren't requiring the data from Wikidata to be referenced ("onlysourced=").
Have a look at South Pole Telescope as a live example - that's entirely drawn from Wikidata here, at ar:مرصد_القطب_الجنوبي, cy:Telesgop Pegwn y De, fr:South_Pole_Telescope, lt:Pietų_ašigalio_teleskopas, and mk:South_Pole_Telescope (in this case it seems to be some sort of placeholder for an article!). All of the translation is done by using the different property labels, rather than having to define the different languages just in the South Pole Telescope article. It's technically easy to convert other infoboxes to do this too, the time-consuming side of this is converting the infoboxes from locally-defined values to values on Wikidata.
Maybe have a look at those pages for now, and once the deletion discussion has concluded (hopefully in the next few days) we can figure out the best way forward here? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Mike, Thanks very much for all the tips, links, and especially to the heads up RE discussion around the wikidata-driven infobox person. I'm in no rush here, working on a top down look at "companies data" and haven't even reached the foothills of understanding the nuances of just U.S. centric data, let alone the major usages across Europe and Asia. Business data (and accounting standards) have been quite country specific. The business data world is far more parochial than the scientific especially in terms of accounting measurements. Plus, we have the added step of many currency conversions. (This SPARQL query shows FX conversion but I'm still far away from understanding it [[3]] (And, yes, that could benefit from rounding (ideally to the limits of the raw data precision, and pretty printing with relevant thousands separators). Still, getting company data into WikiData is a great long term project, really wonderful. Just not likely to be delivered quick and easily across countries without some real effort. I'm thankful you more scientific guys are "going first" here. Rick (talk) 18:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #246

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • You can now download query results as SVG images
    • When posting a link to an item to social networks and on messenger apps that show previews the previews will now be nicer and show an image. (phabricator:T51859)
    • We published the results of our research around Commons usage: How do heavy Commons users work? ...and what does that mean for structured data on Commons?
    • Setting up test system for federation (being able to use Wikidata's items and properties on Commons)
    • Setting up test system for lexemes
    • Setting up test system for improved change dispatching (sending notifications about edits on Wikidata to Wikipedia and co)
    • Doing more groundwork for lexemes
    • Working on better integration with Elastic
    • More work on Federation
    • Getting ready to deploy automated sitelinks for Wiktionary
    • Fixing a number of keyboard navigation issues based on your feedback
    • Working on the new datatype for geoshapes (phabricator:T57549)
    • Looking into linking more complicated external identifiers properly (phabricator:T151329)
    • Improved the link to the help portal on the query service (phabricator:T154993)

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Your GA nomination of Royal Oak, Frindsbury

The article Royal Oak, Frindsbury you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Royal Oak, Frindsbury for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bungle -- Bungle (talk) 18:41, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #247

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Doing a trial run of allowing search engines to index a number of ArticlePlaceholder pages on Welsh Wikipedia. If there are no major issues we will enable this for all placeholders.
    • Improving Federation-related after initial tests,
    • Getting ready to deploy automated sitelinks for Wiktionary
    • Further work on the new datatype for geoshapes (phabricator:T57549)

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DYK for Faint Images of the Radio Sky at Twenty-Centimeters

On 15 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Faint Images of the Radio Sky at Twenty-Centimeters, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Very Large Array (pictured) observed nearly one million radio sources during the Faint Images of the Radio Sky at Twenty-Centimeters survey? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Faint Images of the Radio Sky at Twenty-Centimeters. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Faint Images of the Radio Sky at Twenty-Centimeters), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Professor Aristóteles Orsini Planetarium

On 16 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Professor Aristóteles Orsini Planetarium, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Professor Aristóteles Orsini Planetarium in São Paulo, opened in 1957, was the first planetarium in Brazil? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Professor Aristóteles Orsini Planetarium. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Professor Aristóteles Orsini Planetarium), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Church of the Ascension

I would be happy to help out, If there is anything else to do on tbe page, I will take a look after work later this evening.D Eaketts (talk) 08:32, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #248

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Making final fixes to initial version of Federation (needed to be able to use Wikidata items and properties to describe media on Commons in the future)
    • More work on baseline for Lexeme entity type for Wiktionary support
    • Fixed an error on d:Special:ConstraintReport (phabricator:T158183)
    • Wikidata Query Service got additional servers, the data has been reloaded to fix a number of issues caused by missed updates and an increase of the time-out of 30s is being looked into.

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navbox

Hi, i work on a navbox for ways of obtaining science in two related field, scientific method from philosophy of science and dikw pyramid from information science. i need help of some people like you to finsh this,

you can see a prototype of navbox in my sand box: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KPU0/sandbox Plutonium 16:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KPU0 (talk • contribs)

DYK nomination of Viaduto do Chá

Hello! Your submission of Viaduto do Chá at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Rod talk 20:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #249

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Continued to finalize the initial version of Federation (needed to be able to use Wikidata items and properties to describe media on Commons in the future)
    • More work on baseline for Lexeme entity type for Wiktionary support

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. These other tasks need a volunteer.

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DYK for Big Horn, Manchester

On 28 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Big Horn, Manchester, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Big Horn, a gateway sculpture to Manchester's Northern Quarter, was built on the remains of a hat factory in 1999? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Big Horn, Manchester. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Big Horn, Manchester), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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