User talk:Nadermeleka

Request to Stop Vandalism

Dear nader,

I see that you are pre-occupied with editing wars and with continous vandalism.

I would like to ask you one more time to stop vandalising other people's good faith efforts and their editings simply because you don't like or you don't approve of it. I am not sure why are you angry with the Fresno people but recently you have been deleting their releigous information for some reasons on a daily basis???

Please STOP your Vandalism of the Fresno Christian Orthodox information and stop deleting it from the Coptic Holy Synod Article, List of the United States Coptic Orthodox Churches and other location....

I need to remind you that Wikipedia is NOT the place to fight or get engaged in editing wars, or claim that you are correct and other people are wrong (Truth Rule).

I don`t know who you are or why are you angry with the Church. But deleting the Fresno Church information will not calm down you anger.

One more time, whether you like them, agree with the information or disagree with it, please stop.

I would like NOT to cause you any troubles and would like to leave it at that level seeing that you are already busy with other wars.

Thank you for your consideration. Please let's keep it as this level.

Bvs --Bvs1925 (talk) 08:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nader,

Please read the following copied messages that I sent to Lanternix and Troy and which I forwarded to BVS 1925 for his infor. Here is the copied messages:

Hi Troy,

Just for your information, please read the following messages I sent to Lanternix based on his message to me and acopy I forwarded to BVS 1925. Here is the copy: Hello BVS 1925,

This message I sent to lanternix and I am forwarding a copy for your information. I hope you get the message behind the message and be aware that we are all aware of your attempts and we will take action.

P.S.: By "All", I mean all who have interest to keep Wekipedia pages free from inaccurate information or lies and a theater of personal wars within parsihes! I am in contact with many and they all agree on this cllective stance. Here is the copied message:

Hi Lanternix,

This is quite a ridiculous situation, both BVS 125 and IP Address 71.195.186.130, unless they are the same person, are engaged in a very weird and persistant vandalism in most of the pages related to the Cptic Orthodox Church by insisting of the addition of a fake or non existant bishop of an non existant diocese. I have warned them but to no avail. Here is the fact of the matter and they are aware of it, if that information was true, no one would have any mind or even thing to such an addition, everyone wants to have the number of bishops and dioceses of the Coptic orthodox Church grow every day, but to add such an information, the following need to be done: 1) To have any confirmation from theHoly Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Vhurch about such a diocese or bishop. This is non existant and they know that very well. 2) Whoever reads the contents of the so-called Fresno diocesan website, notes that there is a mojor feud among the members of the congregation of that parish (not diocese0 and the apparently imposed priest on them, to the point of having serious disagreement about several investigations done by several bishops about that feud. 3)The title of the website states that the so-called bishop is called Mina the Ischariot, which meens the treator among the ecclesiastical parlance, which in turn means that the website is created to mock the whole idea of the bishop and the diocese, by saying that the people of that parish are suffering from an imposed clergy, who is backed by some bishops as it claims, comparing him with Judas the Ischariot and have an episcopal imposition. Accordingly, this website does not proof the existance of a diocese or a bishop but mocks them. 4) It is clear that the image provided for that so-called bishop is composed or superimposed. by matching episcopal vestments on the face of that priest.

It becomes evident that the reason behind the insistance for adding such an addition in many Coptic Orthodox Church related pages on Wikipedia, is an attempt to propagate the apparent injustice imposed on that parish, by mocking the priest, by making him a bishop and the parish a diocese. So these two fellows are actually against that priest and they using Wikipedia pages as a tool of their WAR against that priest and whoever fllows him and protects him. I even suspect that they/he have created that webpage for the sake of such mokery.

So the WAR here is from these two gentlemen (or gentleman, if it's only one person) and all I, you and others are doing is stoping them/him from doing this persisting vandalism.

If they/he can provide a document or documents from the Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church about such addition, creation of a diocese, consecration of such bishop, date of consecration and by whom and where from a reliable source, then by all means this addition is welcomed. Of course you know and I know that this will never happen. I am copying this message on the User talk page of BVS 125 for his information.

I will never stop preventing the vandalism they/he are/is doing and I hope that you would do the same. If you have the means to ban them/him permanently, please do so, since obviously they have an agenda of their own. Thanks.Orthopraxia (talk) 00:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Troy, This/these people need to be stopped. thanks Orthopraxia (talk) 00:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Nader,

As I told Troy and Lanternix, lets make sure that this vandalism and personal war that these people have in their parish does not use the Wikipedia pages as a tool or a war theater. Thanks Orthopraxia (talk) 00:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello Nader, (Please find a copy of our response to Orthopraxia comments)

We read Orthopraxia comments and here are our responses to it:

1) Mr. Orthopraxia is trying to analyze the Diocese of Fresno status in order to reach conclusions that leads to a truth from his own opinion (Truth Rule). Also, we are very well capable of answering his arguments, Wikipedia is not found to be a war zone or to prove one party is right and the other party is wrong (Truth Rule).

2) Orthopraxia being extremely interested in our Diocese's status raises red flags about who is behind him and what goals is he trying to achieve. He is very likely to be driven by a request of another Bishop who is supporting Bishop Mena. (And he knows who is the person we are talking about !!!). Again, Wikipedia is not the place for WAR regarding any Church internal disputes.

3) Orthopraxia, is trying to discuss the method used in choosing Bishop Mena and whether he was chosen by the members of the Diocese of through any other method? Thus taking the discussion into the root of the church well-known dispute to achieve his goal of eliminating the Diocese information from Wikipedia and scoring it.

4) The Diocese information has the right to be listed in Wikipedia despite the disagreement going on between several Bishops. We in the Diocese maintain open door policy and accept the others opinions (Please see the link to Bishop Athanasius's TV program having problems with Fr. Mena (later on Bishop Mena) and we never deleted that.

5) Orthopraxia and his friend are fellows of Bishop Ermia and trying to achieve his goals by eliminating the presence of the Diocese (because it is against their best interest).

6) We will never stop demanding our right to have the Diocese of Fresno listed in Wikipedia (because its presence is a fact) and widely known to everybody) desite attempts to deny it.

7) I (Bvs) can easily stop this silly editing war with these (2) Users, if they agree to stay away from us and abide the Wikipedia rules regarding editing other people's work and the (Truth Rule).

8) Finally, I want you to think about this (What is it for Orthopraxoia and his friend in it?), what would make them come from nowhere to start bothering the Fresno Coptic people in their diocese? Is that happening out of their goodwill? Are they making 24 hours shifts to focus on this subject out of their good nature? The answer is obvious, we in Fresno, know who is behind them and they know that we know !!!!!

9) Finally, and despite the fact of the friendship with Orthopraxia, we are still asking you to activate the Wikipedia rules regarding: a) Editing Rules for editing other user's work. b) Truth rules, c) All applicable other rules.

10) Although, we have 250 members in our diocese that can easily join Wikipedia to protect their right to have religious information on Wikipedia and get into what Orthopraxia wants to drag us to, and this will end up that he either stop his vandalism of our diocese information or will end up blocking 250 users who will come back again to defend their religion. We will not make any announcements or recommendations to the Fresno Coptic families in the diocese regarding their rights to be present in Wikipedia until you make your final decision.

11) We will also, take this matter to another level with Wikipedia because his requests are completely unacceptable. He already had (6) vandalism warnings and it makes us wonder how many warnings does it take for him to stop. We are fed up with these acts.

Thank you for your understanding.

Bvs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvs1925 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice Work

Hello. I'm just here to say: keep up the good work. If you need any help with Coptic-related articles, or anything for that matter, don't hesitate to ask me. Cheers! :) ~ Troy (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contributions. If you are interested in the Coptic Wikisource (⳿ⲪⲂⲓⲕⲓⲡⲏ̇ⲋⲏ) Proposal, please don't hesitate to help out. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 23:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

We really need more contributers... and thanks for the reply! If you cannot view the Coptic, I can help you with all the codes. The test page is here. So far, the only editors are Ghaly and I, but it's not so bad. I have done a lot of the Book of Matthew in Coptic—you can see it here if your interested in that. Thanks again, ~ Troy (talk) 23:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC) :)

Thank you for your contributions. Did you consider creating a user page or unifying your account for different Wikimedia projects? It would be useful for working in other languages (French, Arabic, etc...)

By the way, do you have any knowledge of Coptic? I want to make sure, because even if you can't read the Coptic text, you can still install it on this page. Regards, ~ Troy (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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