User talk:Nativecrusader

September 2022

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Turks of South Carolina, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 17:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

The content on Turks of South Carolina was removed because the state of South Carolina has acknowledged that the Turkish Community is a wholly separate and distinct community from the Privateer Indian Community which McDonald Furman wrote about in local newspapers during the late nineteenth century. A book entitled, South Carolina's Turkish People: A History and Ethnology was written in 2018 to address this very topic by Glen Browder and Terri Ann Ognibene. In 2020, Browder wrote "A Critical Analysis of the Sumter Cheraw Indian Tribe's Appropriation of the Turkish People's History" and presented this research to the South Carolina Commission for Minority Affairs. The CMA reviewed and accepted this research and wrote an annotation to add to its official files regarding the certification of the Sumter Tribe of Cheraw Indians. The state of South Carolina does not accept the Turks of South Carolina as the same entity as the Privateer Indians or Redbones which McDonald Furman studied in the nineteenth century and to conflate them is a blatant falsehood and an act of appropriation. The book presently which provides the information that you have reverted was written by S. Pony Hill, an enrolled member of the Sumter Tribe of Cheraw Indians. Mr. Hill's research was specifically touched upon within Browder's "A Critical Analysis of the Sumter Cheraw Indian Tribe's Appropriation of the Turkish People's History". Additionally, the surname Goins was removed the list of Turkish surnames as it appears to have been added in the attempt bolster claims of descent from the Privateer Community. The Sumter Cheraw's petition proves no descent from the Goins nor is it a characteristic surname of that community today. The link to a complete copy of this document can be found below or you can alternatively search for it yourself. Thank you.

https://scgenweb.org/Browder/SumterCountyGenealogicalSociety-ACriticalAnalysisoftheSumterCherawIndianTribesAppropriationOfTheTurkishPeoples_History_2-6-20.pdf Nativecrusader (talk) 20:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that the citation provided for S. Pony Hill's book provides no page number, section title, or any indication of where this information is coming from. When searching through a digital edition of this book, there is only one instance of the phrase "Clerk" within the entirety of the work.

"One elderly Goins from Sumter testified, "our parents went from North Carolina, some of the older ones, and there were lots of names, Oxendine, Hunt, Chavis, and Goins." L.I. Parrot, the Clerk of the Court for Sumter County, testified that the brown-skinned people of Sumter "have been known as 'Red Bones' ever since I have been acquainted with the people."

I have additionally keyword searched "Catawba" and "Indian descent" in the attempt to locate the source of the provided information. Ultimately, I have found no indication that the information within this article came from Strangers in Their Own Land: South Carolina's State Tribes. I feel this alone merits the removal of the information, especially when taken into consideration with my previous response. Nativecrusader (talk) 20:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

You can read more at wp:self-published about why self-published books are not acceptable as sources. wp:reliable provides information about secondary, published sources that can be used at Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 20:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

Regardless, the information provided in the article is uncited and not within the book it claims. Nativecrusader (talk) 20:57, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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