User talk:NedScopMCC

February 2024[edit]

Hello, I'm JayCubby. I noticed that you recently removed content from City of Maitland without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg! Talk 00:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am a representative of Maitland City Council. The information related to the "amalgamation" is not correct. The Mayor and Councilor's have requested that this be removed. NedScopMCC (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at City of Maitland, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. aggarwala2727 (talk) 00:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am a representative of Maitland City Council. The information related to the "amalgamation" is not correct. The Mayor and Councillors have requested that this be removed. NedScopMCC (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello NedScopMCC. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:NedScopMCC. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=NedScopMCC|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 00:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am an officer of the council. As a representative the information show in the page is incorrect wrt "amalgamation". The Mayor and Councillors have requested that the reference be removed as it is a mis-representation and incorrect. There is no paid or "receive compensation".

This is the 3rd time the content has been reverted. How do I ensure it is not reverted, NedScopMCC (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are not employed or compensated to represent the Council, okay, but you must them read the conflict of interest policy and make the needed disclosure. 331dot (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK,

I did disclose on the first change, this was then removed by JayCubby.

cur prev 00:04, 20 February 2024‎ NedScopMCC talk contribs‎ 17,696 bytes −1,552‎ Removed Amalgamation Details. As and officer of Maitland Council an council request has been made to remove the reference to amalgamation as this is not correct. The reference article/citation, is not valid. undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted section blanking Visual edit

In the edit summary, is there a specific format the CoI is to be formatted. NedScopMCC (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent editing history at City of Maitland shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. 331dot (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so there is no means to ensure that the information is correct. So is the next to talk it to "arbitration" of the content. NedScopMCC (talk) 01:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a means- discussion with other editors to arrive at a consensus. If that fails, then dispute resolution is available. But edit warring is unjustified, even if you are correct, and must stop. You must also make the COI disclosure as I note above. 331dot (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries are only one way to disclose, you should do so on the article talk page and your user page(User:NedScopMCC). 331dot (talk) 01:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I did on the article page. Very clearly.

Removed Amalgamation Details. As and officer of Maitland Council an council request has been made to remove the reference to amalgamation as this is not correct. The reference article/citation, is not valid. undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted section blanking Visual edit

I'll add to my profile that I am an office of MCC.

Thanks NedScopMCC (talk) 01:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a full CoI on my user page to support the change. NedScopMCC (talk) 01:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; you said you weren't employed by the Council, but described yourself as an employee. 331dot (talk) 08:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify this point, are you an employee of the Council? If you draw a salary for your general duties, you are a paid editor, it does not require specific payment for edits. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry I won't be editing any further. Yes I am an employee, no I do not receive payments or compensation for edits (that is not my role or function within council). I'll provide this talk history to the council officer that asked me to make the change for their records. Thank you NedScopMCC (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case you may find WP:BOSS useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou so much Andy for the reference to Wikipedia:BOSS. That is perfect to send through to our communications team for future reference. Thank you, very helpful. NedScopMCC (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to specifically be paid to edit to be a paid editor. As you were directed by the Council to be here and undertake actions for them and you say you are their employee, that makes you a paid editor. If you would prefer to cease editing rather than make the Terms of Use required disclosure, that is your option. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]