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Courcelles (talk) 00:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Barnstar Ottoman Empire Barnstar Awarded for valuable contributions to WikiProject Ottoman Empire, although the project sadly seems to be dead. Nevertheless, your numerous contributions on the field of Ottoman history are valuable and worthy of recognition. Keep it up! Constantine ✍ 02:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC) Ottoman Empire Barnstar Awarded for valuable contributions to WikiProject Ottoman Empire, I have noticed your edits and appreciated them greatly. Thank you for your contributions to WikiProject Ottoman Empire. Keep up the good work. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Award The Tireless Contributor Barnstar Merhaba! I, Darwinek, hereby award you this barnstar for your tireless contribution to Türkiye-related articles on Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Kendine iyi bak. Darwinek (talk) 13:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC) Enver Tokay Hi, I see you have corrected the name Enver Tokyay→Enver Tokay. Thanks for your contribution. However the name Enver Tokyay was sourced by the bulletin of İnşaat Mühendisleri Odası. Can you please check your sources once more. Happy editting. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Hello. Enver Tokay is an architect not a civil engineer therefore Insaat Muhendisleri Odasi (Chamber of Civil Engineers] may have made a mistake about his last name. Please refer to his alumni record from the university he graduated: [1] and [2] Also the magazine that Chamber of Arhitects of Turkey: [3] Also these links in English: [4] and [5] and [6] Mimar77 (talk) 19:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC) DYK for İncili Çavuş —HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC) Provinces Hi Nedim Ardoğa. Some users completely confuse provinces with cities (for example: [7], [8], [9], [10]). Unfortunately my İngilizcem is not good. Could you explain their falses to them ? Takabeg (talk) 02:59, 14 July 2011 (UTC) No need for self-criticism. Your English is at least as good as mine. Anyway I reverted the extra names and I tried to explain it. But the contributers are ambigious (IP no only) and they may not receive the message at all. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC) Merci. Takabeg (talk) 10:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC) Sakarya Hi Nedim. Could you control the article Battle of Sakarya. And do you have any opinion on Talk:Battle of Sakarya. Takabeg (talk) 10:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC) Index vs. Outline Hi, Nedim. I'm sorry to have left you out of that decision; it was not my intention. I didn't read the whole talk page, and I was making that move in the context of a few moves of articles to "Outline" titles. Since they were a consistent set of requests, I closed them all the same way. If I'd known about the earlier discussion, I would have allowed more time and notified a WikiProject or two to generate more input. Is this something you'd like to pursue, or are you satisfied with the current article title? -GTBacchus(talk) 20:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC) Well although I prefer the former title, I am not planning an edit war. I only want to point out that the creator should also take part in the discıussions. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC) Point taken. -GTBacchus(talk) 14:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC) Rumi article and its template If you are interested in this article, could you give your opinion as to whether the "Region" section should remain in the template? --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC) Istanbul/Constantinople Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Istanbul#Istanbul/Constantinople. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Adana Hi, Nedim. I understand you want to historical mistakes but the name "Yenice Meeting" is considered as original research. Birde, could you control these edits and Zaza people ? Takabeg (talk) 13:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC) Talk:Rumi I have responded on the talk page concerning the Region section in the template. I would appreciate your opinion. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC) DYN Hi, Nedim Ardoğa. Do you know Talk:Imbros#Other Imbros ? Iyi chalishmalar :) Takabeg (talk) 05:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC) Turkey I have moved List of World Heritage Sites in Turkey (tentative list) to User:Nedim Ardoğa/sandbox. Wikipedia abhors duplicated articles. Please improve the list of World Heritage Sites in Turkey. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC) Hi Roger, You have moved the List of World Heritage Sites in Turkey (tentative list) to my sandbox. OK, but I didn't quite understand what do you mean by duplicate article. Is there an article on the subject which I've overlooked ? Or do you suggest merging two articles (main list and the tentative list) Any case I don't think the verb abhor is the correct word. Happy editing. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC) Apologies, I think may I have misunderstood. I thought the tentative referred to your attitude to the list. Please re-word your introduction to make it clear that these are sites which do not currently have world heritage status but for which that status has been proposed. Feel free to move it back. I suggest a better title would be list of potential World Heritage Sites in Turkey. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC) A discussion... ...which may interest you: [11] Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2011 (UTC) Thanks For the heads up. — LlywelynII 16:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of File:Waterfall Berdan.jpg A tag has been placed on File:Waterfall Berdan.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image. If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:53, 11 September 2011 (UTC) Thought you might know something........ I recently reverted the deletion of a paragraph concerning the "slave trade" presumably orchestrated by the Crimean Tatars. As this is outside of my "area" of study, I was wondering if you might know something, have some information or sources to help out my inquiry on the Crimean Tatars talk page. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC) Barnstar The Epic Barnstar For taking the time to find a quality source for my question. My sincerest thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC) List of populated places in Adana Province Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:List of populated places in Adana Province. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. If you are going to create lists, please wikilink the articles and use col span to shorten the length.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:34, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Can you not use Category:Villages in Turkey or the Region category? Its completely redundant.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:32, 30 September 2011 (UTC) Mystery Please solve this mystery if you can... On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened. See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Wikipedia. See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines too! I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 23:59, 5 October 2011 (UTC) District categories Hi Nedim Ardoğa. I see that you recently created a whole bunch of categories for districts of Turkish provinces. I work on Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized categories so I noticed that most of these were left uncategorized. I started fixing this (for example [12]) but this is annoyingly slow because I don't know off-hand which district is in which province. Obviously, you don't have that problem so if you can do the categorization yourself, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and let me know if I can help. Best, Pichpich (talk) 23:55, 7 October 2011 (UTC) Türk Tarihi üzerine atıp tutanlar "I'm neither Turkish nor Greek." diyor Takabeg. Istanbul Pogrom'ın Discussion/Tartışma sayfasında görebilirsiniz. (Hangi milletten Yahudi mi, Ermeni mi? Niye Türk Tarihi üzerine atıp tutuyor? Wiki'de Türk Tarihine yönelik sayısız saldırı var. Saygılar, Böri (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC) List of populated places in x Province Hi Nedim Ardoğa! The "List of populated places in x Province" lists are categorized now in "Lists of populated places in Turkey". Their categorization in "Turkey-related lists" is no more needed. It is redundant since "Lists of populated places in Turkey" is a sub-category of "Turkey-related lists". Can you please recheck. Thanks. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 15:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC) OK. By the way, creating List of populated places in X Province is time consuming. A foreign editor tried to copy the contents from tr-Wiki. But unfortunatelly the copied lists are old and they don't show the actual districts. I began creating the articles with the latest official population statistics. But every province (especially the large provinces like İzmir) took too much time. (I cleared out the irrevelant Bucak data and reordered alphabetically. ) Since you also like to create articles, why don't you also contribute by creating some new articles for other provinces? (Bursa Province for example is still vacant). Happy editting Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Thank you for your proposal. As you can see I try to do my best. BTW, I was born in Bursa, but lived only my first one or two years there. So, I am a stranger to Bursa too. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Turkish diaspora Hi Nedim, I have taken your suggestion on board for the Turkish diaspora article. I've done a bit of editing today, would you please let me know what you think? Turco85 (Talk) 18:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC) BlackSad You have added the following reference as a proof of your manipulation in wikipedia. Nüseyin Nihâl Atsız, "16 Devlet Masalı ve Uydurma Bayraklar" (16 State tales and fake flags), Ötüken , 65. sayı, 1969. However, your manipulation is a vandalism to feint the wiki readers because the reference you have added has no academical value. What I mean by academical value is that the reference is not published in an international or national journal. It is just a writing done by Nüseyin Nihâl Atsız in a political and ideological montly-magazine which has no academical value. I mean the reference is just a thought of Nüseyin Nihâl Atsız. In his writing, he does not give any reference for claims. It is very important for these clear reasons, so that I removed the reference you have added. Note that if you add the reference again without any academical proof (you have to give an journal or book reference, you should not give any webpage reference), I will raise this problem and I will make the state of wikipage "Historic states represented in Turkish presidential seal" into a protected mode that you cannot change again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.171.137.234 (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC) You have added the following reference as a proof of your manipulation in wikipedia. Nüseyin Nihâl Atsız, "16 Devlet Masalı ve Uydurma Bayraklar" (16 State tales and fake flags), Ötüken , 65. sayı, 1969. However, your manipulation is a vandalism to feint the wiki readers because the reference you have added has no academical value. What I mean by academical value is that the reference is not published in an international or national journal. It is just a writing done by Nüseyin Nihâl Atsız in a political and ideological montly-magazine which has no academical value. I mean the reference is just a thought of Nüseyin Nihâl Atsız. In his writing, he does not give any reference for claims. It is very important for these clear reasons, so that I removed the reference you have added. Note that if you add the reference again without any academical proof (you have to give an journal or book reference, you should not give any webpage reference), I will raise this problem and I will make the state of wikipage "Historic states represented in Turkish presidential seal" into a protected mode that you cannot change again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.171.137.234 (talk) 23:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC) Please see the History of the page. I created the page But I didn't add that particular reference. You can consult User:Takabeg for that. And please try to be more polite before accusing. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC) Turkish diaspora Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Turkish diaspora. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Turco85 (Talk) 10:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC) Küplü Hey Nedim Ardoğa, Just wanted to let you know that I saw that you created the new article Küplü--The image greatly improves the article. Have a fun and productive day! Cheers,Amy Z (talk) 03:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC) Democratic Party I agree with you on the name of "Democratic" Party of Turkey. It should be changed as "Democrat" Party. These two are different political parties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inspectortr (talk • contribs) 17:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC) Cyrrhus Syria/Turkey You recently moved the Cyrrhus, Syria page to Cyrrhus, Turkey, without any discussion, and without providing any explanation other than the bald statement “Geographical fact” as a summary. Do you have any evidence of this, as it would appear, from the map and archaeological detail provided, that it is not a geographical fact at all. The discussion is here, should you wish to comment. Moonraker12 (talk) 15:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC) You are right. I checked it; Cyrrus is in Syria and I moved it to Syria. I apologize. ( The reason why I had moved it to Turkey earlier was because of references to Antioch, Commagene and Kilis all of which are in Turkey. ) All settled I think. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC) Absolutely! And thank you for your co-operation, and good-heartedness about this. For my part, I apologize if my comments seemed aggressive; the abruptness of the move made me suspect something more sinister: Sorry! and thanks again, Moonraker12 (talk) 13:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC) Could other users check User:MarshallBagramyan expropriation of the entire Kars article. Could other users check User:MarshallBagramyan expropriation of the entire Kars article. This user constantly erases the other versions of the name of the city Kars in other languages (Armenian: Կարս Kars or Ղարս [ʁɑɾs] Ghars, Azerbaijani: Qars, Georgian: ყარსი Kars, Kurdish: Qers, Russian: Карс Kars) , and only lets the Armenian version of the name to stay (Armenian: Կարս Kars or Ղարս [ʁɑɾs] Ghars). Unfortunately this user's ethnocentric POV pushing by ignoring the history of the city, after the Armenian era, is still allowed to stay. He even defends it in the city article talk page. Sulakyurt (disambiguation) Hi, I've tagged Sulakyurt (disambiguation) for speedy deletion under G6, as it currently disambiguates only two pages of which one of these is the primary topic. A hatnote at Sulakyurt currently resolves the need to disambiguate fairly effectively. However, you might want to consider requesting a move if you feel that the current article at Sulakyurt is not the primary topic and should instead be a disambiguation page. Best, France3470 (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC) No problem. I know there are only two Sulakyurts at the moment. But all populated places of Turkey are being created these days and there will be some more. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:04, 11 November 2011 (UTC) If more articles are created certainly feel free to recreate the page but for now the hatnote is probably the most effective means of disambiguating. France3470 (talk) 07:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC) About importance rating Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at CeeGee's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. turkish ref -nope i dont actually know turkish. the reference i added to the grand vizer articles i found on the List of Ottoman Grand Vizers page. since i was unable to read the source, i tried to be careful and only use it to reference the years in office and the simple fact that the person was and GV. let me know if you have any other questions Ryan shell (talk) 16:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC) Kadıköy (disambiguation) Hello again. Just noticed that you moved Kadıköy, the primary topic, back into one list at Kadıköy (disambiguation). In disambiguation, we normally place the primary topic at the top per WP:MOSDAB#Linking to a primary topic, this is because readers are most likely directed though the dab page from the primary topic page. This helps navigation and prevents confusion. Is there some reason why this page should not be at the top? If not perhaps you should request a move and make the dab the primary topic? All the best, France3470 (talk) 21:34, 1 December 2011 (UTC) In you first edit, you've moved what you call the primary in front of the introductory sentence. I looked around to see other examples where the primary preceds the introduction. Although there are some pages where the first sentence belongs to primary, in most other pages the reverse is true . Please see the examples of Ike, Kennedy, Newton and Roma. So I think there is no consensus on the style. But if you insist to place the primary in front of the introduction I won't object. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:09, 2 December 2011 (UTC) It is true that disambiguation pages use both 'styles' but this actually has to do with the location of the disambiguation page not because consensus is undecided. (Apologies for the wall of text, I bolded the most important bit) If a page is located at an undisambiguated title such is true for the examples you present: Ike, Kennedy, Newton and Roma, then no one article is the primary topic of the term and the disambiguation page is placed there. This is explained at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: "If a primary topic exists, then that term should be the title of the article on that topic. If there is no primary topic, the term should be the title of a disambiguation page." In cases where there is an article which is the primary topic for a term, than the disambiguation page will be located at "Title (disambiguation)". For instance the primary topic of "London" is London, the city in England, so the disambiguation page is at London (disambiguation) and there is an introductory sentence at the top which links back to primary topic. The same is true for Kadıköy (disambiguation), here Kadıköy, a city in the district of İstanbul, Turkey, is currently the primary topic of the term. This explained at WP:MOSDAB#Linking to a primary topic: "When a page has "(disambiguation)" in its title – i.e., it is the disambiguation page for a term for which a primary topic has been identified – users are most likely to arrive there by clicking on a top link from the primary topic article, generated by a template in the {{otheruses}} series (Hatnote). Since it is unlikely that this primary meaning is what readers are looking for if they have reached the disambiguation page, it should not be mixed in with the other links. It is recommended that the link back to the primary topic appear at the top." Sorry for such a long explanation but I hope this provides some clarify. Disambiguation is often times complex and people often find the MOS a bit impenetrable. All the best, France3470 (talk) 15:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC) Ilgaz Maountains#In popular music Hi! I wonder if the song Ilgaz is "a popular schoolchildren song" or a school song. To me it is the former, because a school song is associated with a certain school while Ilgaz is not. What do you think? Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 09:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC) I see what you mean. This song is not associated with a certain school. But all the same, it is not strictly a children's song either. It is also popular with the adults and in fact some sources call it as a Türkü (folkloric tune). Maybe we can call it just song. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification Hi. In Başakşehir, you recently added links to the disambiguation pages Macedonia and Resen (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC) Al Darbasiyah Thanks for letting me know! Should be fine now. Its on the Turkish border. I will be resuming with the Turkish village stubs later BTW.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC) A barnstar for you! Barnstar of National Merit of Turkey For your efforts dedicated to improving coverage of Turkish geography. Your country would be very proud to see you are doing so on an English speaking website. You're doing a terrific job! Keep it up! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Kemankeş Mustafa Pasha Hallo Nedim I reverted (again) your additon about the Odalar mosque in this article. Reason(s): The building was not "in ruins" when it was converted into a mosque, but was a functioning catholic church. The reason of the conversion is explained in the article about the mosque; the renaming of the church happened not during the IV Crusade, but about three hundred years later, after the deportation of the genoese from Kaffa. This is also explained in the article about the mosque; Alles klar? :-) Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Listen Nedim, this is the last time that I correct what you write: next time, I will be forced to go to an administrator. OK? Alex2006 (talk) 16:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Please don't try to threaten me and try to be a bit more polite. Alle klar is not phrase to be used in English Wikipedia and you are free to consult the admins. The paragraph which you fervently cleared was sourced and it was more informative. So I reverted your edit. But to prevent an edit war, I was careful to omit the word ruins. In 1622 a cardinal named de Marche visited the mosque and reported that it was in ruins. That's why I used the word ruins. Now that the word is omitted you have nothing to argue I think. Happy and more polite editting. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC) Sorry, I did not see that you answered to me here, this my fault. :-( Sorry Nedim, but your web site is not a reliable source (A source must refer to reliable secondary or primary sources (properly cited) in order to be reliable), and what it says is imprecise or wrong. I advice you strongly to read the article about the mosque, if you want to know the real story. If you are interested, you can also read the book of Westphalen (in German :-)) where is reported the letter of Bishop (not cardinal) De Marchis, who does not talk about a church "in ruin", but of a building with some damage. Other errors: The attribution to Christos Philantropos is one of the many done in the last 100 years, but none is conclusive; The church did not burn in 1204 (this was thought at the time of Eyice (1950-1970), but since then it has been proved by Westphalen that the fire occurred in the last quarter of 12th century; Moreover, (I repeat, because I wrote already above), the church did not become a Latin church during the Latin empire, but remained byzantine and became catholic almost three hundred years later, under Fatih. By the way, this fact is not even written on the web site (where did you get from?) Is it now a little bit clearer? Ciao, and sorry again if you felt offended by the German sentence (which means only "Everything clear?") Alex2006 (talk) 12:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I didn't quite understand what you mean. Reference to Christos Philantropos was Semavi Eyice's claim and I clearly noted it using the adverb probably. I didn't write anything about the fire in 1204. Why do object to something which hasn't even been written ? I may confuse De Marchis' title. Sorry for that (But it was used only in my talk and not in the article.) According to your page, you know elementary Turkish. Very well, then you realize that the word Odalar is not Mustafa Pasha's name but it simply means Rooms. (or Dormitory of the jannisary) How can you describe the Odalar mosque as a mosque which got his name ? I know what alles klar means. It is a rebuke phrase used by the superiors or the teachers to slow study subordinates. Please don't pretent to be the superior of any of your Wiki colleagues. Ciao Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC) About 1) As told before, this attribution is - like all the others - unsupported (but this is not that important) About 2) "... but it was later converted to a Latin church and was renamed as Santa Maria di Constantinopol during the Latin occupation of Costantinople after 1204." I meant this sentence,this is plainly wrong (three errors in a sentence). Alex2006 (talk) 14:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC) About 3) no problem here About 4) you are right. About 5) you are wrong. I live in Ch since 25 years, and can tell you that alles klar? has no offensive intention (otherwise I should have killed about one hundred people in the meantime...) Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 14:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Hallo Nedim, please look if now the paragraph is ok for you. I only corrected the wrong sentence. Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Treaty of 1043 So does the response from user:Barefact, back in April, indicate he was going to find a reference for his "Treaty of 1043"? He did not seem to address the chronological error concerning Manuel I Comnenus being party to this treaty. Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC) I don't have a source about this event. But using logic, I wonder if this event refers to a treaty signed in 1143 instead of 1043 ? In 1143 (between the first two Crudases) Seljuks and Danishments controlled most of Anatolia and the Byzantine Emperor was Manuel I Komnenos. In this case the treaty makes sense. Again I repeat I don't have source. Cheers Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:59, 21 December 2011 (UTC) I understand, which is what I thought as well(it was a typo-error). I do know of a Comnenus-Seljuq treaty in 1161[13], but I haven't found one in 1143 yet. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Dear Nedim, thank you for keeping in touch with me. On the 1043 treaty, it appears it was deleted from the underlying article, I searched and could not find the reference in the En WP article from which I copied the event and its significance. I left the correction to the editors who know more than I do on the subject, and I am grateful to Kansas Bear for following up on that. Happy New Year to both of you Barefact (talk) 18:38, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Merhaba * Önemli olan kaynaklar değil midir zaten? Metni ilgi çekici bulduğumuz için kayda değer sayabilir miyiz? Böyle olursa yazmaya yeteneği olan herkes kendi otobiyografisini veya sevdiği bir kişinin biyografisini buraya ekler ve kayda değer kişi ilan edilirdi. Türkçe Vikipedi'de reklam amacıyla kullanıcı hesabı açanlar dahi var. Bahsettiğimiz kişi bir yetenek yarışmasına katılmış ve sonrasında medya kuruluşlarının birkaçı tarafından kendisiyle ropörtajlar yapılmış. Daha önce de bahsi geçen kişinin katıldığı aynı yarışmada yer almış sonrasında bazı başarılar elde edip haber olmuş bir kişinin sayfası silindi (bakınız). Esc2003 (talk) 13:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Gerçi TV yarışmaları benim ilgi alanımın dışında. Bu ismi de bugüne kadar duymuş değilim. Ama maddede yazılanlar doğru ise (onu da bilmem) bu yarışmacı ansiklopedide yer alabilir. Selamlar Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC) Benim de ilgi alanıma girmez ancak diğer kullanıcıların yorumlarına göz atarsanız, belki kişinin kayda değerliği hakkında daha fazla fikir sahibi olursunuz (1, 2, 3). Saygılar -- Esc2003 (talk) Disambiguation link notification Hi. In your recent article edits, you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. 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