User talk:Neil J Murray

Birmingham City F.C.

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for trying to improve the Birmingham City F.C. page. About the kit sponsors/suppliers table: I took it out the first time because I thought it was too much detail for the club overview. Still do, for that matter, but if it's going to stay in, it needs to be a bit less intrusive, so I've collapsed the tables. And fixed the links so that Admiral and Pony don't link to pages about naval officers and small horses :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the welcome. I saw a similar table on the Everton FC article and thought it was something that was missing in the article as Birmingham have had a quite a few of both shirt sponsors and kit manufacturers. I agree though about the intrusiveness, when I looked at it last night I thought the tables were a bit intrusive sitting there in their own, but I think it's important information to have on the main article. I would think a separate article on the kits wouldn't be worthwhile as we have some of that on the http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Birmingham_City/Birmingham_City.htm website, but maybe it is, plus I was going to add a little bit about who made the kits prior to the big manufacturers taking over to try and soften their impact a bit, but I'm not sure it's worth doing.

Thanks for making the changes to the links and tables, I hadn't got round to checking them properly which I should have before posting it. I didn't know you could collapse the tables, interesting to know, thanks Neil J Murray (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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Stats and records

Hello, and many thanks for keeping the managers list up to date, and sorting out my incompetence, much appreciated. Also thanks for getting the winless-at-home streak into the stats and records list without expanding that section too much. But I'm afraid the season records section is a step too far. Thing is, these articles are supposed to achieve comprehensive coverage of the important records without going over the top, and including stuff like what season Blues achieved fewest draws away from home in strikes me as just too much information. A stats-based article always runs the risk of violating the WP:NOTSTATS policy, and these football records pages (the featured ones, anyway, there's a list at WP:FL#British club football) all follow the same basic model of what's included and what isn't. Hope you understand, and I'm really sorry your hard work has gone to waste, but I'm going to remove it. If you don't agree or you'd like to hear other people's opinions on the matter, please feel free to raise it at the football project talk page. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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8–0

Hello. If we're defining record win/defeat as widest winning/losing margin, then there's no difference between 9–1 and 8–0, and the 8–0s should have been included in the first place. Reliable sources such as Statto and the Football League take that approach. Think the only problem with it is that there are so many of them: most teams seem to have only one or two instances of their record margins, not eight. If only Bournemouth had scored again, the section would have looked much tidier... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Coaching staff

How I look at it is

• if the post is a senior general position on the playing side (director of football, manager, assistant, head coach, first-team coach, possibly GK coach and chief scout) it goes in; or
• if the post is more junior or more technical (reserve team manager, fitness coach, kitman, physio, sports science staff, masseur) but is held by a person already notable (i.e. qualifying for a Wikipedia page) for something else, generally their playing career, it goes in; but
• if neither case applies, it doesn't. Which is why I removed Darren Robinson as head of performance, which I assume means some sort of senior sports scientist (assuming he isn't a former player that I've never come across).

I think it's an approach that avoids degenerating into the sort of lists of random names that you get on some other club pages, such as here, or this truly magnificent creation complete with flags for invented nationalities. Some club pages seem to manage perfectly well without staff lists at all, apart from players.

Anyway, why Beale stays under that approach is that a caretaker manager of a club in a so-called fully professional league, even for two games, is individually notable and thus qualifies for his own WP page, even if no-one's written him one yet. See here for recent-ish confirmation.

On another note, I see Sir Gary's been saying all the right things: like "The team need to work hard for each other" and "Players that have been previously overlooked will get a chance and that is important", and "Players will know quickly if they fall below my standards". Hope it works... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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Definitely beyond my pay grade, as well... People are looking at it, see here, so hopefully there's somebody clever enough to work out what went wrong. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:19, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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