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NPP Awards for 2023

		The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		For over 100 article reviews during 2023. Well done! Keep up the good work and thank you! Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This award is given in recognition to Netherzone for collecting at least 25 points during the January 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 16,070 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Geothermal resources" maps

Just FYI I found that the NOAA produced maps of "geothermal resources" to go with that 1980 report we use a lot. The good people of University of Nevada Reno scanned them and I grabbed them all and put them here:

Commons:Category:Maps of geothermal resources of the United States

I think it includes all the states in the continental U.S. north and west of Texas, except possibly South Dakota (which may well be out there somewhere). Most are in PDF format but I think can convert to jpg and/or png if need be, just let me know which ones.

I think/hope they should be citable sources if they have any info that isn't already in the report; I cited the California one in one place already as <ref name="CAgeothermmap-1980">{{Cite map |last1=Higgins |first1=Chris T. |last2=Therberge |last3=Ikelman |first2=Albert E. Jr. |first3=Joy A. |title=Geothermal Resources of California |url=https://data.nbmg.unr.edu/public/Geothermal/GreyLiterature/GeothermalResources_California_1980_R.pdf |date=1980 |publisher=California Department of Mines and Geology |publication-place=Sacramento |others=NOAA National Geophysical Center}}</ref>

I can't really figure out the name of the original report or repository these came from so just leaning on the unr.edu for now. Cheers, jengod (talk) 04:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jengod, thanks for your note. How wonderful that you uploaded scans of the maps! I've got a copy of the paper maps from along with the 1980 hardcopy of the report Thermal springs list for the United States (1980) By Berry, George W. ; Grim, P. J. (Paul J.) ; Ikelman, Joy A.

Because I travel alot and live between two states in two different regions of the country, I seldom travel with the paper copies, instead I use a pdf. You can download the entire .pdf of the book here: [1] but it doesn't include the maps. Thanks again for uploading this excellent resource for hot springs! Netherzone (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just took a moment to look on Commons, and those are different than the maps than the ones I have. This is a superb new resource, Jen. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 16:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ygm

You've got mail-- I know you're busy right now but I just wanted to make sure you know. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Moneytrees, I will respond tomorrow. Netherzone (talk) 03:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moneytrees, please check your email...you've got mail. Netherzone (talk) 22:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Pueblo pottery

You mentioned that Pueblo pottery has been considered as a potential GA candidate in the past. I have a decent amount of GA experience from both sides of the table and have appreciated my interactions with you recently, so I'd be happy to walk you through a review on such a solid article. There's been something of a renaissance regarding Indigenous American culture on Wikipedia over the last couple years, meaning I'm fairly confident that any gaps/concerns that arise would draw support from the handful of other editors in that subject area. If you wind up nominating Pueblo pottery now or later, please ping me and I'll pick up the review. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for this, it really made my day! I do think it is the best work I've done for WP, and spent a lot of time researching the subject. It was my "pandemic project"; I ordered a bunch of books and hunkered down in the house to work on it. In the next day or two I will read up on GA's and what the expectations and process involves. If I decide to nominate it, I will definitely ping you. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! My pandemic projects were a handful of CO ghost towns and the various Book of Common Prayer articles (I've almost wrapped those up!). I happen to presently live in Arlington, Virginia. If additional images or sources are required, they have a lot of material available at the NMAI in DC. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ping pong

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No rush at all. Star Mississippi 15:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to hear from you! Replied. Netherzone (talk) 16:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WOW, that photo! Stellar! Netherzone (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red August 2024

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August music

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! - and a sunset if you click on places -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow, can't wait to read this one - love that photo of him at work. Beautiful photo to the right as well, will check out your other pix soon. Netherzone (talk) 15:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, ... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder. Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you

Check it out. Left guide (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much deserved. --ARose Wolf 11:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide, @ARoseWolf, Thank you both very much, I really appreciate the barnstar. I'm still feeling worn out from the years-long energy drain. Receiving this shiny star is a pick-me-up! Netherzone (talk) 18:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Walled Garden

I know you prefer this term, but WP:WALLEDGARDEN is "a set of pages or articles that link to each other, but do not have any links to or from anything outside the group", which does not describe most articles by Henderson. Thus when you and others accuse him of this, he is rightly confused as to what the heck you are talking about. -- GreenC 19:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GreenC, thanks for your note about your concern. You know that I have a lot of respect for you and what you do for the encyclopedia, but see the matter at hand through a different lens. Respectfully, I don't believe I am the first, and certainly not the only editor or admin to have used that term to describe the problematics of this long-term case, or other similar cases for that matter. I have to disagree with this part of your message: he is rightly confused as to what the heck you are talking about. While the case may not fit the exact word for word Wiki-definition of walled garden in the essay you linked (it does have a meaning outside of WP), the problematics were explained to the editor dozens of times. I don't think Mr. Henderson is or was "confused as heck" at all, rather that he just did not want to listen to what the community was advising - for years. Out of deference to your experience, I will try to find other words to use. Netherzone (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've joined the task force and will follow up there. -- GreenC 04:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Puncinus (talk) 00:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your e-mail

Thanks for your e-mail; I don't reply by e-mail to users. The biggest problem with the other accounts is their age.

Just like the folk at AN who have commented, I don't think you've done anything wrong. I am curious, though, which images you think are mislabeled as "own work". I looked at a bunch and didn't see that.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Bbb23, the questionable ones are these which show complete paintings by an artist: [2], [3] (Just because there are chairs in the images does not make it ok; the same way that if one were to photograph a Jackson Pollock painting with a museum bench in the picture would not make it ok.) I also wonder about this: [4], I understand that freedom of panorama can justify certain situations, but this is a photo of the artwork (not of the tree), that was used to illustrate the (now deleted) Trotter Museum-Gallery article. And possibly this: [5], and also possibly these: [6], [7], [8]. Netherzone (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources of those images are spelled out, and when you couple that with the shots themselves, I think it's unlikely to be copyright infringement. Now, whether the museum (for example) gave them permission to take those pictures, I have no idea, but that would be between the photographer and the museum, nothing to do with Wikipedia. I can't imagine they would be considered unauthorized derivative works, but now we're going rather far afield from the usual straightforward violation.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Bbb23, I was under the impression that if an image of a copyrighted painting or other work of art was uploaded to Commons, and if it was not your own work (in this case meaning the painting itself) there needed to be proof of permission from the copyright holder (or in this case, the museum (?) or more likely the artist's estate) - not just word of mouth - provided by email or the ticketing system. But I'm not a Commons expert, however I do care about creative artists' rights to their own work (as well as their estates). I'll remember this advice going forward, it's interesting to know. Thanks again. Netherzone (talk) 17:34, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an expert on this. Diannaa, can you weigh in? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]