User talk:Niaz/Archive01

This is a user talk page archive from 23 July 2006 to 1 October 2007.

University of London

I am currently working with the University of London and its member college pages. If you think any thing wrong or want to send me any advice then you are most welcome. Please do post your comment/advice in this page. Thanks. - Niaz

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Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Niaz, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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EWU

I deleted the logo because it had been tagged with a licence more restricted than the GFDL required for Wikipedia. I see it has been retagged as fair use, which may avoid the GFDL problem. jimfbleak 20:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

If they are your images, chose the GFDL-self option when asked to select a tag, and make sure that you say in the description that they are your images. Other options, like for use on wikipedia only, or educational use only, are more restrictive than GFDL, and inevitably lead to speedy deletion. Hope this helps, jimfbleak 08:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

NAHID has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:User:Templateuser/Smile}}, {{subst:User:Templateuser/Smile2}} or {{subst:User:Templateuser/Smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

• Hi Niaz Bhai, welcome to wikipedia. Nice editing on EWU. It would be better if you add images on this article. BTW, Private University entries in wikipedia needs massive help. Very few BD wikipedians have the courage to expand private university related articles on wikipedia. I'm trying to expand it, though not much has been achieved yet. You can add contents on red link {{Private Universities of Bangladesh}} if you get information or you can expand stub related articles as well. However nice to meet you. Thanks again. NAHID 08:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Yeah, I'd second that. Private unis in Bangladesh need loads of help from everyone. NAHID happens to be the only Wikipedian widely interested in the subject. But, his Herculean efforts need ample support from people like you. I've been on and off in the project, mostly in the area of keeping the lot organized in a comprehensive category structure. It would be a great help if you took the work further. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 15:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wiriting in Bangla

Though I don't have an account with the Bangla Wikipedia, neither do I contribute in Bangla, I guess I still can give you three links that might actually help you:

• Writing in Bangla script: 01 • 02 • 03

May be you can check out with some of the Wikipedians who have common accounts both in Bangla and English Wikipedia. User:NAHID could very well be the starting point. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 06:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Niaz, if you are using Windows, Avro can be a great option for writing Phonetic Bangla. We are also trying out built-in Bangla typing in the forms, that should come out pretty soon.

The links provided above work fine, especially 02 has several keyboard modes and can convert old text.

If you are interested about Bangla wikipedia, you can go ahead and open an account there. We can help you about any topic once you join and start editing. Also, there is a mailing list. Thanks. --Ragib 07:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Bangladesh

WikiProject History of Bangladesh has started. It needs members and participants. Aditya Kabir 11:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Paharpur and Mahasthangar

There's already a stub article for Paharpur. Your contributions would be most welcome there. But, make sure that you cite your sources, so that they don't fall into the area of original research. Especially helpful would be images. If you took any images there, please, upload them to Wikimedia Commons. Aditya Kabir 15:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Rajshahi University

Check out the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rajshahi University/archive1 if possible. Thanks--ppm 05:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your perceptive input. I have responded on my talk page.--ppm 20:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

East West University

Hi. I have left some comments on improving the article East West University on its talk page. You may be interested to take a look at those. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 16:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Shahbag/archive2

I have just put the article to peer review. Would you care to take a look? Aditya Kabir 20:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

East West University

I have put some more suggestions on the talk page. Please, check. BTW, you're doing great with the article. Please, do also check Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, and take the subject as a matter of academic interest, not propagating an organization you're involved with. A lot many people fail to do that and only manage to disrupt the process of creating a reliable encyclopedia. Let's at least aim for a good article status for the article. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 05:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Russell Group

These images, which you added to Russell Group, are all non-free content and are included in Wikipedia under fair use doctrine. "The use of non-free media in lists, galleries, and navigational or user interface elements is normally regarded as decorative" (per WP:NFCC) and is therefore not normally allowed. I have removed the material again; my apologies if you've wasted any effort there. — mholland (talk) 14:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Images in Wikimedia Common

Hello, Niaz Bhaiya, I noticed You've added lot of images in EWU article. It would be nice if you upload those images in commons and make a link into the article page.Just open another account there :).Thank you--NAHID 17:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

East West University sources

You have done a great job with the article. I am pretty confident that it can now be made into a GA nominee. Only one thing remains a problem with the article - the sources. As of now, all the references are sourced from the university itself, which is slightly against Wikipedia principles on reliable sources. It would be great if you or someone else put some secondary sources or third-party sources as reference. I have tagged the article to that end, so that editors take notice and help out. Unfortunately, User:NAHID is trying to keep the tag removed, which would hinder the article from getting help (check Talk:Lou Schuler article history, its talk page and the AfD discussion to find out what I mean. In fact, I had to ake extreme measures to make that article foolproof by Wiki-standards). I need your endorsement to keep NAHID from hindering the process of developing the Wikipedia as a whole, and the article you have worked so hard for in particular. Aditya Kabir 18:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Please, take a look at Talk:East West University#The "primary source" tag. Aditya Kabir 19:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I really hoped that we could improve the article to a formidable status. Well, since there is not much positive activity on the part of you and some other editor very keen on reverting stuff I do there, I guess I will leave article to you two for the time. Please, see that the article eventually becomes a nice entry on Wikipedia, not a display of non-neutral points of view. I know that both of you have the best of Wikipedia on your mind. Aditya Kabir 05:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

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Project page

Almost done. An Userbox and (may be) wikiproject template box needed.Thank you--NAHID 08:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you

Niaz Bhayia, Thank you very much for the barnstar.It's a pleasure to work with intelligent and friendly person like you.Keep up the editting.

BTW What a Beautiful user/talk page you've made? I've added your user page here (Wikipedia:User Page Design Center/User page examples). Thank you --NAHID 15:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi there, I am here with an inviation for you. We are going to arrange a meeting of the Wikipedians living in Dhaka City. For details see: http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/উইকিপেডিয়া:সম্মিলন/ঢাকা_১. It would be very nice if you can join us. We shall talk about the advancement measures of Bangla Wikipedia there. It will be held on the office of BdOSN (Click here for address) on 14th instant. Feel free to join. We will be waiting. The program will start on 4:00pm. -- Hermitage17 01:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

You were right about that matter.Give me some time. I'll try to provide sources.There are lot of controversial issues have been arised among public universities in Bangladesh.Those must be added into the article since all the articles meant to be neutral.Thank you--NAHID 11:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome!

Hey there, no problem. I do lots of disambiguation work, and it's always nice when someone appreciates it! --Tkynerd 16:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me

I have deprecated Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Bangladesh and made it Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/History Workgroup. I also have mass migrated the participants from the former project to the new workgroup. May be I was a little too bold here. Forgive me for doing this without consultation. The move was a part of the effort to rehash the entire Bangladesh project. If you and other participants agree, the next step should be deleting the previous page. Hopefully, The new workgroup would improve the level of activity related to coordinating our efforts. Please, respond to my talk page. Aditya ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

stats table

You're welcome! I was just trying to help fix some of the coding, as well as set up the project so that the 1.0 assessment bot would be able to tag the pages. Cheers! Esrever 14:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Templates

Hello Niaz Bhayia, Excellent work on templates. Keep it up.--NAHID 17:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your invitation. I'll join in your group in a week; when I'll be back to Dhaka. Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 03:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Bangladesh portal

Hi, I'd like to draw your attention to Bangladesh portal. I have tried to address the concerns in earlier peer review and checked the portal against Featured portal criteria. Based on this I think it is proper time to push for Featured Portal status for Bangladesh Portal, which will be an important milestone for WikiProject Bangladesh. But to achieve this I need help from you. Please participate in the on-going discussion on the talk page and give me your valuable inputs.-Arman Aziz 03:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Niaz bd! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Daniel→♦ 12:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

It's time to.....:)

Y Done (Template:Private Universities of Bangladesh). At last we did it. No other red link exist at all. What a long journey was it? Cheeerrrrs--NAHID 18:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar and the inspiring comments. I have left remarks against your suggestions in the portal talk page. Arman Aziz 01:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Private University Template

Thanks for the reply. We should also add images into the article. Furthermore, we should work on public university articles. Some of them are written in very poor shape (or copyvio) and template contains only 23 / 24 universities name.But outside the WP, there are more 5 to 6 public university exist, which is not added here yet.Thank you --NAHID 08:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Bengali Wikisource

We are going to start Bengali language Wikisource. We have a lot of literary works in public domain including Rabindranath Tagore. This Wikisource is now an applicant and needs your approval. Visit this page: m:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Bengali_2 to approve and support. We need at least 5 persons approving it. Be hurry. And now we are working on the structure of this wikisource on the mani site of wikisource. When the site is alloted these pages will be placed there. Visit: Bengali Wikisource page on Wikisource. -- Hermitage17 10:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

You are doing some excellent job on ({{subst:Public Universities of Bangladesh}}) and List of universities in Bangladesh.Thank you--NAHID 14:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• I think, it is Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman Agricultural University(BSMRAU). Thank you--NAHID 16:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• It's somehow questionable. Virtual Bangladesh says Bangabandhu Agricultural University . Its location might be found there.Thank you--NAHID 07:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Vote for the bug of creating bengali wikisource

There is another formality in creating bangla wikisource. The bug is to be accepted. The bug request is here: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907. Pleas go there and Vote for the bug of creating bengali wikisource. First create an account with your mail address as the username and then vote with a comment there. -- Khan Muhammad 21:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Moving articles via cut and paste

Hello, Niaz. It appears that you copied and pasted AIUB to American International University - Bangladesh. Please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the move link at the top of the page, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you, — mholland (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I actually didn't do any cut-past stuff rather I tried to restore the original article. American International University - Bangladesh is the original name of this university and AIUB is its abbreviation. We are trying to improve its quality from WikiProject_Bangladeshi_Universities. At Wikipedia, American International University - Bangladesh - this link holds original article and AIUB holds a redirect. Day before yesterday, one of our newly registered (compare to others) members copied whole text to AIUB and left a redirect in American International University - Bangladesh. I just changed his edits and made it as it was previously. Thanks for your concern in Bangladeshi university articles. Niaz bd 00:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Debate: Search for deliberately mispelled words.

Deliberately misspelled words such as "seperate" are marked with the word (sic) including the parentheses, thus "seperate (sic)"

Suppose that a spelling corrector person wishes to correct such misspelled words wishes to search for them by searching for the word (sic). Well the wikipedia search function matches a lot of false matches since sic is a valid word in its own right in Latic, and is also a substring or words like baSIC or pepSICo.

Just as it helps clarity to dot the letter "i", it would help to change the (sic) to something else less likely to make false matches. Two suggestions are achieved by doubling the (sic) word, to say (sicsic) or (ssiicc).

Debate!

There are other problems with the wikipedia search function which can be debated later. Tabletop 12:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

search words

• seperate (separate) (00109 matches)
• separate (separate) (99159 matches)
• (sic) (sic) (2525 matches)

• (sicsic) (sicsic) (00013 matches)

• (ssiicc) (ssiicc) (00004 matches)

Item for debate.

Niaz,

You left a message inviting me onto the "WikiProject Debating", and I am formulating a item for debate, but I think that I need some help posting the item in the right place.

I have put a copy of that item on your talk page.

Tabletop 12:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

bn wikisource

Ofcourse, voting is the most important thing. Please tell others to vote first. -- Khan Muhammad 13:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Debating Wiki-Project

Hi friend, I joined your Wikipedia project :-) Look forward to working with you! Scarian^Talk 11:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. I was just wondering if all the articles that have currently been assessed represent an exhaustive list of the debate articles? Or are there quite a few out there? Scarian^Talk 17:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

We could probably do all of those jobs, including proper assesment, in just a couple of days. "I randomly added assessment tag at few articles" - Phew! I looked at a couple of the articles that you tagged as 'B-Class' and a lot of them were either too short or had no citations at all to be a B-Class. Hehe, is it okay if I change a few of them and demote them to more represent their true status?

On that subject, I think we also must decide on how best to write guidelines so that when other editor's go to do assessment they have guidelines on which to base their assessment.

Recruiting: We could ask user's whom have taken a strong interest in editing/contributing to the debate articles to join. I am pretty sure that quite a few people would join from that group. I will ask a few today.

Btw, I would just like to say that the Project page looks really good, and the tags look real professional. Good stuff, well done. :-) Scarian^Talk 12:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have supported to Keep the article. If it gets deleted don't be too disheartened, friend. Scarian^Talk 15:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Yes, I agree with you. We could improve those articles by adding some ref+, inline citations and free images. As for Notre Dame College (Dhaka), there are plenty of ref+ located at External link section. We may use them as inline citation. And Viqarunnisa Noon School needs complete rewriting.

As for NSU article, I don't see any major problem (References, advert, tone, grammar, style, cohesion) with it. What we need is, just improve the article by adding free images and expanding the sections. And NSUSS article met full criteria of speedy deletion process ( {{db-nocontent}} ). Thank you--NAHID 09:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• I don't know any current NDC student :). Once I planned to go to NDC and take some pictures, but ditto. By the way, I found some more criticisms about Universities in Bangladesh#Public university. As I counted, 12 universities were involved in this Battle-field. We will add them soon. Thank you--NAHID 10:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: VNS

I do revisit the articles I have worked on periodically. Currently I am leaving this to you, but I may come back to it to lend a hand sometimes. Do ask me if you have questions. Well, for one, you can take a look at tying the three Vikarunnisa articles, on the school, the college and the university, together. One more thing, since you two are working so valiantly and diligently on Bangladesh private university articles, you may think about cutting down on lists and turning them into prose. The process is described at Wikipedia:Embedded list. If you need to draw attention of other editors to the task, you can make use of {{list to prose}} or {{prose}} tags. Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 07:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Meet Up IV

You are invitated to our next Wiki Meet Up (Wiki Adda IV) on September 8, Saturday at 4.30 p.m. In the session we shall translate the article on Mahatma Gandhi. Please click here to check out the address.

We shall eagerly wait for you.

Regards. --Tarif from Bangladesh 13:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

World Universities Debating Ranking - Proposed Deletion

I have nominated the World Universities Debating Ranking page for deletion - see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Universities Debating Ranking. The rankings are an entirely unofficial creation of Colm Flynn's, and while they're of interest to people who visit the World Debating Website, I don't think such unofficial rankings should be in an international encyclopaedia like Wikipedia. No offence intended, but I think Wikipedia is the wrong place for this info. Singopo 02:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Letter from Nahid, Dhaka

Hi Niaz,

It makes me happy to know ur biography from u. I am a Teacher Trainer working with secondary level school trachers for their professional development.

Well, knowing that u r awarded for full scholarship in University of Dublin gives me pleasure. Anyway, I'd like to persue a drgree from alien universities from probably UK on Teaching related subjects. Could u help me.

I look forward to having a mail from u.

Nahid E-Mail:

• nahid.ferdous@yahoo.com
• nahideltip@yahoo.com
• nahid.ferdous@gmail.com

RE: Letter from Nahid, Dhaka

Hi Niaz, I'll be happy if u contact me will following e-mail address.

Nahid

E-Mail:

• nahid.ferdous@yahoo.com
• nahideltip@yahoo.com
• nahid.ferdous@gmail.com

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Debating

Have raised some queries on the project's talk page, would appreciate your input, friend. Scarian^Talk 14:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome

Being a debater, I also take keen interest in debate related topics. I appreciate what you are trying to do with debate related topics. May be we can think of an article of "Debating in Bangladesh", what do you say? Anyway, my email address is armanaziz AT yahoo DOT com.

I also have a questions for you - "how do you change your wiki-signature from default? Arman Aziz 01:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Great to know that you are working with current day debaters. I don't know whether you know that I was the President of IBA debating club for one term. I still have a very close relationship with the current moderator of IBA communications club (Syed Munir Khasru). In fact SMK sir is probably the best person who can help us with some historical information about Debating in Bangladesh. Take care. Arman Aziz 02:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

My biggest strength is also my biggest weakness on Wikipedia. My work in Hong Kong has given me opportunity to devote some time to wikipedia as well as the infratructure (24/7 high speed internet access) for doing so. But at the same time, it has restricted my access to references and people in Bangladesh. None the less, I'll do my best to contribute to a "Debating in Bangladesh" article. Meanwhile let's try to shape-up more basic articles (e.g. Education in Bangladesh), which should preceed a good article on Debating in Bangladesh. Arman Aziz 06:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)