User talk:Nighster

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December 2023

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that in this edit to Hajo Meyer, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 01:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a message on the talk page two weeks ago. I provided a detailed explanation of what I thought had to be done. Nobody responded. I did exactly what I announced. I guess I should have referred to that talk page. Please let me know how I can fix the error on my part, namely not including that reference in the explanation of what I did, so that what I did and you undid can be restored. Nighster (talk) 02:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hajo Meyer book

Hi there, I have recently rewritten part of the article about Hajo Meyer, especially the section about the book. I hope it sticks. I'm tempted to also tackle the rest of the article, but I don't want to jinx it. Since you put so much work in it yourself, would you mind giving it a look? I'm curious to know what you think. Judithcomm (talk) 07:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you,Judithcomm (talk) I think that this is a great improvement. I also agree that more needs to be done. After my failed attempts, I realized that steps smaller than I had tried have a better chance of sticking. I hadn't forgotten about this issue, but just didn't know where to begin. Nighster (talk) 01:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a lot more that can be said about the book. Meyers theory of "sequential traumatizing" for one, which I personally find less interesting, like what he writes about Faust and Mephistopheles. What I would like to add is that he felt more traumatised by his experiences in Germany and Holland than by Auschwitz. The horror of the final solution makes everywone underestimate the consequences of what went on before that, he says. Of course that would not land well. And his ideas about second generation Holocaust victims: That they may be more effected by it, because contrary to their parents, they did not have a (relatively) normal childhood.--Judithcomm (talk) 10:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sequential traumatizing section is not all that interesting, I agree. Furthermore, it's rather poorly formulated. Meyer didn't develop that theory. He refers to it, which is not the same.

Much more of current interest is for instance the following (pp. 169-170):

The former Minister of Education, Shulamit Aloni, confirmed this demonization of the Arabs in Israeli schoolbooks. According to her, Rabbi Israel Hess wrote in the newspaper of Bar-Ilan University that his research had found that the Palestinians were the ancient Amalekites, and therefore must be destroyed. And an article in the Israeli Russian–language newspaper Novosti called for the castration of Israeli Arabs as a means of fighting terrorism—without a single reader response! The article, incidentally, was entitled “How to Force Them to Leave.” ( I removed Meyer's references 168 and 169.)

It would also be good to include the following bibliography, which could do with some checking for accuracy and completeness:

Het einde van het Jodendom Meyer, Hajo G.. - Amsterdam : Vassallucci, 2004 (second edition), 90-5000-515-2
Das Ende des Judentums Meyer, Hajo G.. - Neu-Isenburg : Melzer, 2005, 978-3-937389-58-5
Tragisches Schicksal Meyer, Hajo G.. - Berlin : Frank & Timme, 2008, 978-3-86596-174-7
Judentum, Zionismus, Antizionismus und Antisemitismus - Meyer, Hajo G. - Berlin : Frank & Timme, 2013, 978-3-86596-689-6
Die Wiederkehr des Bösen? Meyer, Hajo G.. - Berlin : Frank & Timme, 2013, 978-3-86596-833-3
The End of Judaism: An Ethical Tradition Betrayed - Softcover - Meyer, Hajo G., CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2012, 9781479180134
Briefe eines Flüchtlings 1939 - 1945 : ein jüdischer Junge im holländischen Exil / Hajo G. Meyer, Berlin, 2014 : Frank & Timme; 978-3-86596-538-7

Nighster (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think a bibliography is a good idea. I wonder if Meyer hasn't also published stuff about the subject of theoretical physics. Of the quote about the Amalekites I would prefer to add only the first bit and leave out the Amalekites and castration bit (done!). This because my main aim with listing the similarities between Israel en the NAZI's was to demystify the "Meyer calls them/us NAZI's" by just listing what he observed. Even a staunch supporter of Israel cannot deny that these things are actually happening. An article in an Israeli newspaper and the lack of response to it cannot be ascribed directly to Israel policy.--Judithcomm (talk) 08:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the first Dutch edition of the book I found ISBN 9789050005159, Prometheus Publisher, 2003

My printed English edition is a bit of a mystery: it's published by G. Meyer Books in 2007, but the ISBN is of the 2012 edition and it claims to have been printed in the USA, but also in France.

You could just call it a "selected bibliography" to cater for possible incompleteness. ;-) --Judithcomm (talk) 08:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found close to 90 hits in the Leiden University library catalog.