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Sourcing Problem (Picked You Up In Recent Changes)[edit]

I just created Kentucky Route 30 and put in a source. Only problem is that even though the link DOES work, when you click on it it says the page can't be found which isn't true. What's wrong with it? -WarthogDemon 21:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind. I just figured it out. Sorry for the bother. Happy Editing. :) -WarthogDemon 21:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another potential vandalism by 192.193.171.155[edit]

Hi, I saw you reverted an edit coming from IP 192.193.171.155. The same IP made another apparently destructive edit, then a dubious one, without adding any reference. Can you please take a look? PS: That IP's talk page had a banner mentioning it was shared by Citigroup, but the last version has undone the revision that added that banner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandv (talk • contribs) 09:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an administrator. You have the same abilities to revert these edits, issue warnings, and request administrator action against vandalism that I do. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 12:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I did make my references and I will do it again, type in Barry Soetoro in the search box here and you will see obama birth certificate will come up. He is hiding behind this name and no one cares till more americans die. besides if this is a glitch it needs to be fixed or let people know when they type in barry soetoro and that obama birth certificate page comes up need to have a disclosure that it is a glitch and it is in the process of getting fixed. It is not vandalism when one is speaking the truth like you know I am. If I am lying then i will no longer correct anything ever again. Barry Soetoro is Barack Hussein Obama Junior that produced a certificate of live birth with african as his dad's race and african is not a race africa is a country. Someone needs to fix this before this country is so divided we will never be the united states of america again —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djchillman (talk • contribs) 13:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User templates[edit]

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Quantrill's Raiders[edit]

Thank you for your copy edits and reference work on the article Quantrill's Raiders. You have, by your edits, cleaned up most if not all of the NPOV issues I had with the article. I know I did not have the resources available nor the time at the moment to do much with the article; but I was pretty sure that someone would if I tagged it. My editing doesn't involve Civil War articles but only as they are co-incidental the the U.S. Revenue Cutter Service and the revenue cutters that operated during and immediately after the Civil War and almost all my reference materials involve the USRCS or it's successor agency, the U.S. Coast Guard. As a Kansan interested in Kansas history I realize that the origins of the Civil War began as far back as the Missouri Compromise and later with the Kansas-Nebraska Act. As a Kansan, one is sometimes referred to as a 'Jayhawk' and that is how I ran across the article on Quantrill's Raiders. It was interesting to me, but I saw NPOV issues with it. Anyway, thanks for your edits and when you feel that the article has been edited enough to warrant removal of the tag, you certainly have my blessing. Cuprum17 (talk) 23:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category for deletion[edit]

The following subcategory of the Category:People from Boston, Massachusetts has been proposed for deletion: Category:People from 20th-century Boston, Massachusetts. A link to the discussion is provided at the top of the subcategory page. --Robert.Allen (talk) 12:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


WikiProject Missouri[edit]

There hasn't been much activity at WikiProject Missouri or any of its child projects lately, and I saw your name on the list of active participants. If you are willing to jump in again, please consider helping to revive the project:

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On behalf of the project,  fetchcomms☛ 22:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March Coordinator elections[edit]

Would you consider putting your name in the hat for Military History project coordinator during the March election cycle? I'm going to nominate myself, not because I'm especially qualified, but because us ACW folks have been keeping a low profile for too long. You're on the shortlist of ACW people I think would be suitable. Plus it would be more fun WITH you. I've even asked Hal, but I suspect he'll shy away, like I usually do. BusterD (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you didn't consider my solicitation to be any form of advertising for my own pending offer. I just know editors I regard as reliably sensible and trustworthy. You're that guy. All the best. BusterD (talk) 23:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback[edit]

Hello North Shoreman.
Since you do a lot of AV work, would you like me to request that you get rollback? It is much faster than undo. Give me a shout if you want it. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 00:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Causes of secession[edit]

Hi. I think you are doing yeomen's work in the talk page of American Civil War. One suggestion I would make is based on the premise that a lot of people do not pay close attention to the detailed arguments of an article and instead focus on superficial things like the information box and section headers. The first section of this article, Causes of secession, is really a jumble of topics which is divided roughly in half by a subsection, Slavery--even though slavery is discussed before that subsection. It is quite possible that people are looking at the table of contents and objecting to that being the only subhead. Barring a reorganization of a lot of content, simply removing that subsection header might dispel a number of the objections we've received over the years. (I continue to maintain that the antebellum portion of this article is too long when you consider that there are three subarticles that expand on all of the topics raised, but since I am not willing to take on the task of distilling it, this will be a silent objection.) Hal Jespersen (talk) 14:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with both of your ideas regarding the subsection label and the length. The length issue has been resisted but I note that there is a small (at this point) group (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/American Civil War task force/Operation Brothers at War) that has raising the article to FA as a goal. If that project gets off the ground then these issues will need to be addressed. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that task force is going to have a very difficult time. It is a big challenge to achieve a rated status for an article if you are not the author of said article. And this one will be particularly contentious. (I have been following the recent, painful progress of Ulysses S. Grant and it has been a real mess.) Hal Jespersen (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion on policy[edit]

There have been regular difference of opinion in article deletion debates regarding NPOV application. It's an intersecting of WP:WAX the final entry on legitimate usage, WP:BIAS and the current reading of WP:NPOV. I hopefully summarized my case effectively here. Alatari (talk) 06:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback[edit]

Hello North Shoreman.
I asked you this earlier, but it got archived before you saw it. Since you do a lot of AV work, would you like me to request that you get rollback? It is much faster than undo. Give me a shout if you want it. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 00:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Second Opinion Sought[edit]

Can you row over to:

User talk:Mwgf79#Sterling Price

I am seeking other opinions on this. THNKS. (Keep your prop clear.) > Best O Fortuna (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

congrats[edit]

Nice work on finding a compromise that could gain consensus on the contentuous SLPC lede issue. Well done! --j⚛e deckertalk 13:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And look how long that consensus lasted!! Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 17:53, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

re TexasReb edits on Confederacy article[edit]

Hi Tom. I have watched the edits on the article for the past week, and I thought I had a resolution to the issue, and posted a short quote from Kenneth W. Noe, a very respected historian, re: civilian prisoners. I thought this would end the repeated editing, but within a half-hour my edit was reverted by Rjensen. I restored my edit, which I think is fair, and I hope you will uphold it, as it is quite valid and relevent. Thanks. Dubyavee (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how you figured that adding this material twice without discussion or consensus would resolve an edit war. I have explained my reasoning on the article's discussion page. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 12:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Need your help with a page number at Leo Frank[edit]

Hi Tom. I understood from your notes at the LF Talk page that you have a copy of the Oney book, And the Dead Shall Rise. I don't have a copy, and I'd like to add it to the citations for Judge Roan's key statement, "Gentlemen, I have thought about this case more than any other I have ever tried.... But I do not have to be convinced. The jury was convinced." At this diff you can see the ref where I started to add it: it's in the currently renamed (sigh) Appeals section. If you have a copy, when you get a chance would you please fill in the page number? (I realize more than one cite isn't necessary usually, but this situation is different, at least for the time being.) Thank you. -- LaNaranja (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be glad to, but I'm out of town this weekend -- will check on Oney when I get back. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 03:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The cites there now turn out to be plenty, Oney isn't needed after all, for this one. So you don't have to put on your Wiki shoes just yet. But thank you! We'll pull this thing into shape yet -- and under 80k -- do you think? :) LaNaranja (talk) 16:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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vandalism[edit]

Tom (North Shoreman)

I think one should look up what " vandalism "and what it falls under and should this thread link go further up the food chain ? ? --Kimmy (talk) 08:34, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eliminating your plagiarized, POV edits is not vandalism. I believe I am the fourth editor to address the inappropriateness of your edits. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sorry[edit]

Sorry Tom for being a B**** the other day I was out of line - you were correct - --Kimmy (talk) 01:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Civil Rights Movement[edit]

Hi, in my comment at Talk:African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–1968)#Proposed_Move I've informally suggested Civil Rights Movement (United States, 1955–1968) (etc.) as an alternative. What do you think of that? (replying there, if you choose to reply, would be preferable to me - thanks). --Born2cycle (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leo Frank[edit]

Hi Tom - Not sure if you are willing to enter the fray on this article, but I am very disturbed about the reliance on journalistic details, first-person quotes by Tom Watson especially, and general sensationalizing of the content, with so much detail you can't tell what the issues are. I've suggested deleting 2 of 3 photos of the lynching (enough already! I know what they meant; that doesn't mean we have to show them), and have found at least two copyright violations, so there are probably more, in editors' attempts to have it be "colorful". It is not up to one or two editors to assume they own the article. It is far from an encyclopedic article in tone.Parkwells (talk) 23:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to join WikiProject United States[edit]

Hello, North Shoreman/Archive 3! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

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Welcome to the project. --Kumioko (talk) 16:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Am trying[edit]

North Shoreman,

I am new to this process and am trying to follow the correct process. As to your reference to a COI, there are two sides to that. One is a "potential" conflict of interest the other is the experience and knowledge gained by being an active participant. On the other side there is also a COI on using the SPLC as the gospel so to speak as has apparently been done (at least by observing the content). The SPLC uses such classifications as the basis for a very successful fund raising effort and is promoting an idealogy. That is their right, but we also have a right to fairly represented in Wikipedia.

Anyway, thanks for letting me know to use the discussion features and please let me know if I stil have not got the hang on it.

Thanks (assume that I am supposed to use the four tildas istead of my username) MichaelCrane30560 17:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelCrane30560 (talk • contribs)

Trent Affair[edit]

Have you considered taking Trent Affair to FA? I'd certainly support it, it's a fantastic article. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:48, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Header[edit]

Just wanted to let you know that I adjusted the header you left for a warning (dated today) from the error of 'January 2010' to the correct 'January 2011'. Hope that's ok. Shearonink (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Time flies!! Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 15:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming Good Faith / "Edit Warring"[edit]

You appear to be in violation of the Assume Good Faith principle (one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia) with respect to your comments regarding this edit made to the Confederate States of America article. This edit, made by anonymous user 99.157.58.170, was incorrectly reverted by the ClueBot NG robot as "vandalism" when in fact it was a good faith edit; correcting this erroneous characterization of another editor's edit (made by a robot and then made again by an overzealous human editor, Breawycker) is not "edit warring". Please review the Wikipedia policies in question, and have a wonderful time editing Wikipedia! 184.36.90.183 (talk) 07:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of your reasons, you reverted the same info. three times. It was edit warring whether you were right or not. In fact, the edit in question may or may not have been vandalism, but it was certainly factually inaccurate and you repeatedly reinserted the factually inaccurate material. I properly issued a 3RR Warning to you. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 13:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Fort Sumter, Operation Brothers at War[edit]

Sir, my compliments on all the great work you've done on a variety of Civil War articles. I see you've done a good deal of work on the Battle of Fort Sumter and just wanted to flag you on a post I've made here regarding getting this article up to FA in time for April 12, 2011. Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated. And it would be outstanding to count you among the editors on the project if you are so inclined. Best, Historical Perspective (talk) 13:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Advocacy noticeboard[edit]

Hi, you're mentioned here (: BE——Critical__Talk 00:34, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Proposal[edit]

I am still willing to work toward consensus on a mission statement for WikiProject United States. Your comments correctly suggest that there are underlying problems beyond the mission question. Accordingly, I have taken the passage that you quoted about WikiProject communications and drafted text that could be included on the project page requiring that we discuss and at least 5 people agree to any communications sent to other WikiProjects and their members. While I understand that you and many other people want to work within the context of WikiProject United States without making life difficult for other WikiProjects, there needs to be a mechanism to curtail unilateral actions by any one individual purporting to communicate on behalf of the entire WikiProject. Please look it over. I posted it two sections above your post so that it will be an official part of the RFC. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 14:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject United States[edit]

Thanks for your efforts in trying to keep things civil in the discussions and I apologize that I am beginnnig to lose my patience. I have attempted to be civil for a long time and they just keep dragging the discussions out longer and longer and longer presumably until we finally give in of give up. --Kumioko (talk) 14:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

3RR violation reported[edit]

I am placing this notice on your page because of your prior involvement with User:Markglad and the article Thomas Jefferson. After responding to a request for third opinion I placed the article on my watch list, within hours I noticed the occurring of constant reverts. After viewing the article history, it appears that four editors(including yourself) have been reverting unilateral additions by Markglad against consensus. Viewing his edit history, he seems to have very few edits outside of the edit war on the Jefferson article. I believe this to be grounds for a block of some sort so I have placed this matter before the administrator's noticeboard. If there is anything you can add to the report there, please do so. nonsense with thisWikiManOnespeaking drivel! 17:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -- you beat me to it. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See what I have been dealing with[edit]

I'm sorry to say but I think you are starting to see what I have been dealing with continuously for the last 3 months and why I finally got fed up. Good luck. --Kumioko (talk) 02:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Consolidating proposal[edit]

Tom, I am making a good faith effort to meld your ideas with those of Casliber and others. Please read through my explanation of the differences between the two proposals and also think about what other comments have been left on the page, including the new ideas from Hjal. I suggest that we wait until late Friday night (e.g., 11 p.m. EST) to give everyone a chance to read the page and new material that has been posted. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 07:57, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few changes to the proposal you submitted that everyone seemed to agree on. Mostly little punctuation and grammer things but some did include some comments made by others that I agreed were good improvements. I used Cquote just so it looked different but feel free to change it to quote or whatever other changes you think are needed. I think we are finally getting close to getting this issue wrapped up and thank you for your help. --Kumioko (talk) 15:26, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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A passing comment[edit]

First I want to thank you for stepping in and trying to calm things down. I also wanted to let you know I am personally going to try and limit my responses to RP since it only seems to encourage him to leave more and more unnecessary discussions. --Kumioko (talk) 19:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your work on the Importance rating[edit]

I hope you don't mind but there was a suggestion regarding using importance for a couple projects including the Smithsonian Collaboration and Public art about better definitions of importance and I suggested looking at the ones you made (replacing the United States with Art as appropriate) as a guide. I hope you don't mind and just wanted to let you know that your work is being appreciated by others outside the project as well. --Kumioko (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I never specifically mentioned you by name..but you may want to take a look ;)[edit]

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The Public Policy Initiative Assessment Team Wants You![edit]

Hi North Shoreman, a lot of your contributions fall within the scope of Wikiproject: United States Public Policy, and I was hoping you would be interested in assessing articles with the Public Policy Initiative. There is more info about assessment on the 9/13/2010 Signpost. If you're interested or just curious you can sign up on the project page or just contact me. Thanks! ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 23:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you[edit]

That's a great feature, I didn't know it was possible. Jnast1 (talk) 07:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

False Accusations and False Contributions[edit]

You accuse me, on my talk page, of engaging in an edit war. It takes two to have a war, Tom. So, by accusing me, you implicate yourself; or are you just a liar? Assuming, arguendo, that we are at war--who fired the first shots and the last? Your view must prevail or you will take hostages and burn the house. You demonstrate just how unreliable the product of this enterprise can be. Thanks to you and your Cabal, I will never take anything posted at Wikipedia at face value.74.192.7.135 (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Birthright Citizenship[edit]

There was no edit war as you allege. RichWales and I were negotiating a fair representation. He provided an erroneous source and I corrected it for him, rather than removing it and you count that correction as part of a 3 revert violation and an edit war? I am dealing in absolute good faith. What gives you the right to allege that I am engaged in an edit war and then impose your new viewpoint without discussing it with either me or Richwales first? Did Richwales ask you to intervene?74.192.46.84 (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln memorial/Legacy section[edit]

We are currently attempting to bring the Lincoln article to FA status and are trying to establish consensus regarding images. Your consensus and opinion is needed on the Abraham Lincoln talk page. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

United States Bill of Rights has been selected as the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for June 2011[edit]

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SPLC, npov tag[edit]

hi. when did the neutrality tag get added to the SPLC article? a cursory look through edit history did not show that. And does anyone else besides me think that the editor Mirardre, who is arguing for criticism in the lead, bears a suspicious similarity to blocked editor Legitimateandevencompelling? (i notice the timing of the latter's departure and the former's arrival are too coincidental). btw, i am posting this question to roscolese's page as well. -aNon 12.144.160.217 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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A new template[edit]

Hi Tom! I've recently assembled a new Template:American Revolutionary War. Could you give it a look over for things I've forgotten or spaced on? Appreciate any attention you can spare. BusterD (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you mind looking at a newly merged article?[edit]

Hi Tom! After looking at the merge tags which have been on Redeemers and Redemption (United States history) for many years since I first noticed them, I decided boldly to fully merge them by section. I'm not much of redemption expert, but they seemed to dovetail okay. Would you mind spending a few minutes and smoothing the mess down a bit? Thanks even if you decline the invite. BusterD (talk) 19:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

American Civil War - speedy deletion?[edit]

Is the speedy deletion notice on "American Civil War" vandalism? TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 23:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gettysburg Address[edit]

"The spirit of our age is Democracy. All for the people and all by the people. Nothing about the people, without the people. That is Democracy, and that is the ruling tendency of the spirit of our age." - Lajos Kossuth Governor of Hungary, spoken before the Ohio State Legislature, February 16, 1852, more than a decade before Lincoln's Gettysburg Address

Kossuth gave a speech at Columbus, Ohio. At the Ohio State House a plaque still hangs commemorating his talk to the Ohio Joint Assembly on February 6, 1852., where A. Lincoln was one of the organizer of the event.

Lincoln's famous pharse : "government of the people, by the people, for the people." derived from this Kossuth speech. It inspired the famous phrase said by Abraham Lincoln in his funeral oration at Gettysburgh: government of the people, by the people, for the people.

ToC and article organization, CSA[edit]

Under the discussion section "improvement", I'm not finished with the explanation yet, but I'd appreciate you checking behind me on the Table of Contents re-organization at the Confederate States of America. Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 01:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Federal sovereignty[edit]

I think the compromise in the Sovereignty article is fair enough, although it seems that an article about federal sovereignty is being turned into a discussion about the civil war. The cause of the civil war was disunion, not slavery. While states' rights were invoked by Northern and Southern states prior to the war, the right in question in the war was not the right to hold slaves. It was the right to secede. No federal army marched into Virginia to free slaves; this much is a historical fact. They marched to Virginia to preserve the Union by force. While I feel that inserting a slavery debate into an article about sovereignty may be appropriate in terms of self-sovereignty and the ownership principle, I don't think it is relevant to the Federal Sovereignty section of that article. I see that you're a civil war enthusiast, as am I, but the federation section of the sovereignty article is not the place for discussion of Fugitive Slave Laws and party politics of the 1860's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.137.245.206 (talk) 18:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leo Frank—Jan15[edit]

Hi. I understand the motivation for your last message, but could you consider self-reverting that message and restoring it after the proposal is settled? Another possibility is to open a separate section for it. --Bob K31416 (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Towards what end? Carmelmount has ignored the opportunity to focus on the issue and has refused to do so. I think enough energy has been expended on this point and it is time to either accept the status quo or implement the proposed change that we both accept. (USER:Steven J. Anderson chimed in when this discussion started to support the status quo.) There is a longstanding consensus on this page to reject the argument that secondary sources are suspect and should be replaced by OR using primary sources. IMO Carmelmount has a single minded agenda that requires that we suspend the policies and guidelines that interfere with that agenda.
From Wikipedia:Consensus:
"Consensus is determined by the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue,[emphasis added] as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy. If the editors involved in a discussion are not able to agree on where the consensus lies, the determination is made by any uninvolved editor in good standing."
Since Carmelmount's arguments, especially his most recent ones, are based on attacking the sources, alleging a conspiracy, and questioning the role of anti-Semitism, I believe his argument should, consistent with wikipedia policy, should be given little weight. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 18:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your message at Talk:Leo Frank somewhat undercuts my message and is an invitation to continue the digression, instead of focusing on the proposal. In a previous exchange I had with Carmelmount, he conceded an important point after I re-asked a question.[1] Considering the proposal is in his interest, aside from being a more accurate and appropriate way of presenting the info, how about seeing how he responds to my message first, before discussing all those other issues? --Bob K31416 (talk) 18:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Update: The digression problem I was concerned about didn't materialize. Carmelmount agreed to the proposal and I put it into the article. Thanks for coauthoring it. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 12:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk Leo Frank[edit]

Hi. I thought your idea of getting more editors involved is a good one. Unfortunatlely, the discussion afterwards between Carmelmount and me might bury that request in a lot of words. I was trying to think of some way to reformat the section to minimize that, but I couldn't think of anything too good. So I came here to see if you might be able to help. --Bob K31416 (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you reformatted the page. Fine with me. If that doesn't work, we can try an RFC or even the reliable sources noticeboard. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 17:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Frank height[edit]

FYI:

Heights of students in the front row of the Debate Club photograph on p. 281 of Cornell 1906 yearbook. The heights were obtained from the 1906 Cornell yearbook on the respective pages indicated in the table. Comparison of the students' relative heights in the photograph suggests Frank's height is more consistent with 5'8" than 5'6". Here's a copy of p.281 that is easier to view after left clicking your mouse over the image of that page.[2]

Herbert Lasher Howard Peck Leo Max Frank Charles Frederick Shaw Leslie Donald Perry
height 5–8 5–5½ 5–8 5–9 5–10
 
weight 154 125 145 178 150
pages 348–9 352–3 344–5 354–5 352–3
student # 302 390 177 451 393

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Ratings and vandalism[edit]

Dear North Shoreman -

Some of our interests overlap, especially on topics of early US history.

There's some vandalism that seems to be directed towards my edits on some of the sites I've made major revisions to. Embargo of 1807, Era of Good Feelings, Dallas Tariff, and number of others. If you go to these sites, you'll recognize my username. If I use it here, the vandal may follow me to your talk page.

The ratings are being low-balled - all entrys are "1", in all categories. What can be done about this? Any advice? 65.100.11.99 (talk) 00:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know what to make of your request. I could not find any indication of you being harassed by a vandal. As far as ratings, I assume you are referring to the fact that although the articles have been expanded, they are still at the "start" level. This generally happens simply because nobody gets around to looking at the articles. You could either post a request for evaluation of the article at the appropriate Project Page (i.e. WP:WikiProject United States History or request a Wikipedia:Peer review. I think you can also rate the articles yourself, up to the B level -- although I'm speaking from memory and couldn't find where I got that idea from.
In any event, I would suggest you take the issue of harassment up with an administrator -- most can be communicated with by email which is a better way to insure anonymity that what you did here. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 15:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Union Army regiments category discussion[edit]

I see that you belong to the ACW task force, so could you comment on the proposals here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 13#Category:Union Army regiments. Thank you for your time. 76.7.231.130 (talk) 02:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The minor edit of Gettysburg Address and MLK's mention[edit]

I'm glad to explain/clarify.

I looked up and read the entire text of Martin Luther King's historic "I have a Dream" speech, looking for a specific reference to the Address.

While the speech specifically mentions Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, the only link to the Gettysburg Address is the similar style of their opening phrases.

I have edited to have the more-explanatory phrase ", by the style of his opening phrase," and if some other phrasing better fits your stylistic sense, you may change it, but the original text that makes one expect an explicit reference was the error that needed correction/revision. Doug C. 98.232.69.171 (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Manson48[edit]

Are you suggesting this now blocked editor is a sock, or has socks (besides all the IPs he's been using). Thanks - could you reply on my talk page please so I don't miss it? Dougweller (talk) 07:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

Hi, I see you reverted my addition to the African American article. Before I go for dispute resolution I'd like to give you a chance to explain yourself! Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 20:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

STOP BULLYING ME[edit]

STOP BULLYING ME, IT IS MEAN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.181.51.56 (talk) 12:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stop vandalizing articles. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Uh sorry[edit]

Yeah sorry about the whole changing twos to threes in The Battle of Cowpens.Should have used Socratic Method. The book could have been wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.161.201 (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CSA flag[edit]

Please contribute your comment and/or sources at >> Talk:Confederate States of America#RFC Infobox flag choice << to select the flag representing an historic nation-state 1861-1865 from three alternatives, a flag sourced as _____ .

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b) "not satisfactory" at the time 1863-1865, or
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Leo Frank Height Footnotes[edit]

I put in a dispute request as you suggested, so hopefully we can come to consensus on putting a footnote in their about Leo Frank's correct height from two reliable sources of information. Carmelmount (talk) 07:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Family Research Council[edit]

I posted this at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Consensus at Family Research Council. StAnselm (talk) 23:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wish you let this one go a bit longer[edit]

The mystery of the 14th colony, and now I'll never know.  little green rosetta(talk)
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My edit on John Tyler page[edit]

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Racial Segregation in the United States[edit]

North Shoreman, I understand your concern over the edits that I have made not being constructive. However, I have to argue that while reading that page I took offense at nearly every sentence. I find it erroneous and racist to point a finger at "whites" for the reason "blacks" have statistically struggled financially more than others and white people are arguably the greatest factor as to why bad neighborhoods exist. Would you please edit the page to a more appropriate and accurate source of information? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.216.21 (talk) 13:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Nothing I deleted had anything to do with interracial marriage. I talked to another person about it and he agreed. EVERYTHING I deleted had to do with nationality and not interracial marriage. It has no place in the interracil marriage page. 03:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshTaylor92 (talk • contribs)

sorry[edit]

Good Job
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Leo Frank once more[edit]

You recently deleted an edit by an IP user, stating that his edit was POV unsourced comments and overly long quote. While I would agree that the IP user's summary of the U.S. Supreme Court decision was pretty hamfisted, it wasn't POV. Neither was the submission unsourced. It was Frank v. Mangum, 237 U.S. 309 (1915). The IP included that, along with a few extra legal citations, which aren't required.

You are quite correct that the quote is overlong. Furthermore, it wasn't positioned particulary well, within the article. The "Final ruling...(etc.)" divider was inappropriate, since the previous sentence (above the divider) also concerned the same court decision, namely Frank v. Mangum, 237 U.S. 309 (1915).

And here is the rub. That previous discussion of the Supreme Court decision *only* quotes from the dissent. If there is POV, it arises from presenting only one side of a decision (in such a way as to convey an impression of the "wrongness" of the majority opinion). The whole Appeals section of the Frank article is a prime example of POV pushing.

So I think we actually NEED part of the majority opinion added to the article, to bring us back to a neutral position. We just don't need the entire quote that you deleted. A rewrite of the entire APPEALS section of the article, including a succinct summary of the majority opinion, backed up by a shorter quote, is called for. Gulbenk (talk) 04:19, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A cookie for you![edit]

Please pardon my lack of AGF in the talk page for Cleveland. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hanghim[edit]

Where does the "(or Hanghim)" parenthetical come from? I already suspected it to be vandalism. Googling '"hingham" "hanghim"' indicates that "or it might have been Hanghim" was merely a jocular remark by Lincoln himself (see, e. g., p. 2). Hingham, Massachusetts has no other name, AFAICT. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're right -- the source was Lincoln himself but Burlingame did indicate he thought it was possibly a joke. I'll go ahead and delete it. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks for the quick reaction. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Jefferson Davis (1808–1889) was President of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War. Born in Kentucky, he graduated from the U.S. Military Academy and had a career as a soldier, fighting in the Mexican–American War. As a plantation owner, he employed slave labor as did many of his peers in the South, and supported slavery. He served as Secretary of War and U.S. senator, arguing against secession, but agreeing that each state had the right to secede. At the beginning of the Civil War in 1861, Davis was chosen as President of the Confederate States. He took personal charge of the Confederate war plans but was unable to defeat the larger, more powerful and better organized Union. He is often blamed for contributing to the fall of the Confederacy. His diplomatic efforts failed to gain recognition from any foreign country and he paid little attention to the collapsing economy. At the end of the war in 1865, he was captured and imprisoned; after his release he entered private life. He wrote a memoir, The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, eventually became a Civil War hero to many white Southerners and, in later life, encouraged reconciliation with the North. (Full article...)

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