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The Signpost: 26 June 2022

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20:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I left a question about a possible copyright violation on Talk:A Hundred Years from Today. I don’t know how things work in this wiki, I saw that you contribute to the pop music portal and are an admin. Can you help, please? Huñvreüs (talk) 15:38, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Huñvreüs: North America1000 17:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Northamerica1000,

If you restore a page at WP:REFUND that was deleted for being an expired draft, you need to make a minor edit to the page or it immediately will be eligible again for CSD G13 deletion again which is what happened with this page. If you use the script, User:SD0001/RFUD-helper, to restore pages, it will make this edit for you. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Liz: Thanks very much for the heads up. I restored the draft using the script. I've never encountered this problem before, and there's virtually no information anywhere about manually resetting the draft timestamp. The Template:Draft article has zero information about resetting the time stamp that I could find. Am I missing something? There's a note at Template:Db-g13, stating "Bot" edits do not affect the G13 timer." However, that template was not in place when I restored the draft. North America1000 03:21, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 26, 2022)

These flaming cocktails illustrate that some liquors can readily catch fire and burn.
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Liquor

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Deletion review for Alberger process

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Alberger process. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 09:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Deep fried egg

NA1000, I really don't get it. You are going for something that's not there. There's nothing inherently more special about deep frying eggs, and, more importantly, your source didn't say the things you wanted it to say. This is really silly and I strongly urge you not to pursue this. And "Give me time to actually finish my work on the article, before reverting instantly"--come on now. That's nonsense and you know it. Drmies (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

In your edit summary, you stated, "No. p. 286 of that book says NOTHING like "quite dangerous" (diff). The verification is here, on page 287, not on page 286. I have since updated the page numbers for this source in the article as "pages=286-287" (diff). Also, here it states that adding the eggs directly into the hot oil "can be rather dangerous". I used the word "quite" to naturally avoid close paraphrasing. I have since added the direct "rather dangerous" quote, because for this dish, it can truly be "rather dangerous" to prepare. Also, while you may not like this topic, it is quite difficult to expand a brand new article when someone comes along erasing content while it is still being worked on. North America1000 01:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
The problem isn't that I don't like it (whatever "it" may be--but nice try), the problem is that you like it too much--and by "it" I mean turning little things into huge things. You've been doing "brand new articles" like this for years now. Are you pretending that deep-frying an egg is somehow more dangerous than making french fries? Why not explain in every single relevant article that boiling things in water is dangerous? Boiling water is much more dangerous than hot oil, you know. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
The article is based upon what reliable sources state about the topic. This is not included in the article, but posting here: "The water content of eggs is relatively constant (on average 74%); egg white contains more (about 88%), whilst egg yolk contains less (about 49%)."[1] North America1000 01:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Eggs contain significant amounts of water, but perhaps not enough to eject a plume of fire to the ceiling when added
to deep hot oil. Regardless, the water content can cause hot oil to significantly erupt and splatter
.

References

  1. ^ Koplik, R.; Cejpek, K.; Velisek, J. (2020). The Chemistry of Food. Wiley. p. 503. ISBN 978-1-119-53765-6. Retrieved June 26, 2022.

This Is It (Jack Ingram album)

Find me one GA-class or FA-class article that has the singles charts within the article itself. I was unable to find any. Most album articles don't include the singles charts at all, so there's a very strong consensus not to include them. Does 1989 (Taylor Swift album) have the singles charts? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer: I did miss that the singles were in the infobox in the This Is It (Jack Ingram album) article. That said, your mass removals of content from articles is coming across as vandalism at this time. You have been removing Singles information from articles per your own subjective opinion that they're somehow not needed, using ambiguous and even oblique edit summaries simply stating "no" and "no singles". You are making up your own rules here for their removal, stating there's "...consensus not to include them".
However, the Singles section has been in place in the article for over a decade, since 5 July 2011 (UTC) (diff), so actually, the longstanding implied consensus is for the Singles information to be present there, not omitted. In an edit summary you left for this article, you stated, "WP:MOSALBUM says nothing about adding singles tables" (diff), but this is a straw man, because 1) WP:MOSALBUM also says nothing about omitting singles information and 2) WP:MOSALBUM is an opinion essay; it is not a policy or guideline.
At the present Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing/Evidence page, several users have questioned your motives lately in matters regarding deletion as well as blanking and redirecting content (example link), and your removal of singles content is a similar behavior; you're erasing content that you subjectively don't like, for whatever reasons. If you don't want singles information in articles, then you should start an RfC about it and obtain community input, rather than unilaterally and arbitrarily erasing it from articles. North America1000 05:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
@Dream Focus: Yeah, I noticed that before, but the reversions did not all occur within 24 hours. North America1000 19:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @TenPoundHammer: A total of three editors (Donaldd23, Dream Focus and myself) have now reverted you erasure of singles content at This Is It (Jack Ingram album). The latest reversion of your erasure performed by Donaldd23, came with an edit summary stating, "Chart positions aren't in the inbox. MSALBUM says NOTHING about singles being listed in the album article" (diff).
It is clear at this time that the consensus for this article is for the singles content, including the chart positions, to stay in place. Please stop unilaterally erasing content that you don't like from Wikipedia articles. North America1000 19:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
There are still thousands of other articles that do not have it, so the consensus is clearly in my favor. Should we file an RFC on this? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @TenPoundHammer: I find your logic to be a rather backwards in terms of Wikipedia's purpose to provide complete, comprehensive information to the public, and also regarding the building an encyclopedia; essentially a syllogism of sorts. Some articles are incomplete and need to be expanded. However, that does not mean that the consensus is for more developed articles to be dumbed down based upon the condition of inferior articles. For example, there are thousands of film articles that lack a Reception section. According to your logic, then the Reception sections in film articles that have one should therefore be removed from those articles, because thousands don't. It seems that all you're really interested in 99% of the time is erasing other people's work. See also: WP:NOTHERE.
So, you don't like singles content in articles. Well, how about the Featured list Rihanna singles discography article? The entire article is about singles, and it represents some of Wikipedia's very best content.
You still haven't provided any reasons to qualify singles content being removed from articles, other than stating in edit summaries, "no singles". I strongly recommend that you initiate a full Request for comment from the community regarding your stance of "no singles" sections in articles. That would a good way to move forward for an actual consensus to be formed. Otherwise, your content removals simply come across as subjective WP:IDONTLIKEIT actions, "While some editors may dislike certain kinds of information, that alone isn't enough for something to be deleted". North America1000 20:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
The precedent is that FA and GA class album articles do not include a singles discography table. Does 3 of Hearts (album) have one? 1989 (Taylor Swift album)? No. Every other FA and GA class album article I checked does not have a singles discography. So if it's not included in FA- and GA-class articles -- which are supposed to be comprehensive -- it shouldn't be included at all, right? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Lantern, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page George Allsopp.

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Nb. Another user fixed it before I got to it. North America1000 00:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 27, 2022)

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This week's article for improvement (week 28, 2022)

Temperature map of the United States during the Great Blizzard of 1899
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Great Blizzard of 1899

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1973 Tour de Corse

Excuse me, but your action looks much like vandalism to me. WP:TNT is a valid argument. But when you want this rubbish to be kept, have fun. The Banner talk 17:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The nomination wholly lacked any form of validity per Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Deletion policy and WP:DEL-REASON.
Also, I have no opinion at this time about whether or not the article should be retained or not, nor did I when I performed the closure, yet you quickly assume that I do. In the close I stated, "No prejudice against speedy renomination with a valid deletion rationale."
It's all very simple, just devise a valid deletion rationale that qualifies deletion per Wikipedia's deletion policy, or initiate a Request for comment (RfC) somewhere to have various opinion essays become part of notability guidelines and policies. Regarding the latter, Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy would be a functional place to initiate an RfC such as this. North America1000 17:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
  • @The Banner: I notice that you added to the closed discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1973 Tour de Corse, "Too bad that this substandard article can stay..." (diff). Did you read the part in the closure about there being no prejudice against speedy renomination? Or, is it that you are unable to devise a valid deletion rationale relative to guidelines and policies? Either way, please note that it clearly states in the top closure template, "The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page... (et al.)". North America1000 17:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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Edit conflict at AfD

FYI, when saved this said 43 seconds after your close. I started writing it before that, so I think my vote should stay. Re Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shadowbinders. I don't mind if you chose not to relist this, my vote is dissenting. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Thanks for the notification. I won't remove your !vote. North America1000 08:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 29, 2022)

The Jazz Age was a period in the 1920s and 1930s in which jazz music and dance styles rapidly gained nationwide popularity in the United States. Pictured above are four patrons and a flapper in 1921 awaiting the opening of the Krazy Kat Klub, a speakeasy.
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A new bread thread

Hi, NA1k - I finally got an opportunity to stop by, say hi, and ask for your input. I've been working some of the redirects in the NPP queue, and came across the French bread redirect, which got stuck in my craw. See Italian bread, and then look at 13 Types of French Bread. In 2005, French bread was redirected to bread, became a redirect in 2008, then a dab in 2019 that was quickly reverted. I'm of the mind that it needs to be an article similar to Italian bread because the redirect is misinformation. List of breads (which is tagged) shows Baguette, but at the bottom of the page in the templated list we have both French Bread and Italian Bread. Your thoughts? Atsme 💬 📧 11:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Atsme: I need more time to think about it; will respond later. North America1000 10:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
@Atsme: Update – I have created the new List of French breads article and redirected the French bread link to that article. Feel free to improve the new list article, if you'd like. North America1000 10:58, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Yay! Well done! Knew I could count on you to get the job done right. Atsme 💬 📧 22:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
@Atsme:


– Thank you kindly.

North America1000 23:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi - loved your article on white squalls - would love to chat with you about them for TV show that involves white squalls - if interested, please reach out via phone or text, 802-258-1184 96.234.224.241 (talk) 00:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
@96.234.224.241: I did not create the White squall article; I only performed minor edits to it back in 2020. Perhaps you sent notice here accidenatlly? North America1000 00:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 30, 2022)

A retractable pen is a type of ink pen that has a spring-loaded ink cartridge which retracts and extends outside a protective housing.
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This week's article for improvement (week 31, 2022)

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Diego

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This week's article for improvement (week 32, 2022)

A home page of Wikipedia (in 2014) displayed in a web browser.
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Home page

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DYK for Deep fried egg

On 23 July 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Deep fried egg, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a kind of deep fried egg dish might be perceived as a warning in Thai folklore? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Deep fried egg. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Deep fried egg), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hook update
Your hook reached 5,559 views (465.2 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of July 2022 – nice work!

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This week's article for improvement (week 33, 2022)

Christmas market in Red Square in 2017
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Christmas in Russia

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