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Victims of political repression

This is to notify you that Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_April_21#Victims_of_political_repression, which you participated in, reached no consensus to delete, but has been relisted to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_April_30#Victims_of_political_repression in order to determine if consensus can be reached on other alternatives. Your further input would be appreciated.--Aervanath (talk) 06:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

welcome

Hi, Nug, and welcome to WikiProject Bilateral relations! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles relevant to the relations between two countries. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We hope you enjoy working on this project. Ikip (talk) 05:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the project. Ikip (talk) 05:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:NEEP

I've started WP:NEEP. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 09:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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FYI

• Deletion of Bilateral relation pages despite ongoing merging effort Ikip (talk) 03:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: "Comment, Wikipedia's policy implies that if an article fails the notability criteria, the first option is to merge the article into another, rather than outright deletion [12]. Re-directs are cheap. Therefore making a note to this effect in the AfD discussion, particularly if there is an existing article where the merge can occur, should be made. Even if the admin closes the debate as "delete", asking the closing admin nicely on his talk page to undelete the article and redirect it often works in my experience. Martintg (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)"

That is really facinating, I never thought of this before. I will add this to my list of excellent points to bring up in an AfD. Ikip (talk) 06:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Australia?

If you're from Australia, why are you exclusively interested in Baltic affairs in Wikipedia? Offliner (talk) 08:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

And by "exclusively", I take you mean "also interested in France, Karl Marx, contemporary Russian politics, Finnish weirdos, South American international relations, elections in Ukraine, and genocidal madmen from Balkan". Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 08:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

So what? Your buddy Russavia claims to be from Australia too, why are you not questioning his exclusive interest in Russian affairs in Wikipedia? Or is there something about him you are not revealing? --Martintg (talk) 20:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm only asking because it might be interesting to know. Tasmania is quite far away from the Baltics, so maybe there is an exciting story behind your interest. Maybe you're a Baltic emigrant or studied Baltic history at the Uni? Of course, you do not have to answer. Offliner (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know he is as just much an Australian as Russavia is ;-). And Martin's userpage says he's an engineer, so he's unlikely to be Estonian philologist. You note for example, that I am, on the other hand Estonian but write mostly on topics concerning Russia. Wikipedia is good place for people with some very specific inetrests :D --Miacek (t) 18:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Offliner, if you want an exciting story, the grand parents of a girl I knew were ethnic Russian refugees, from Narva in fact, who fled the Bolshevik terror of 1917 eventually arriving in Australia. They would spin in their graves to know that young Russians such as yourself seemingly attempt to white wash the heinous crimes of Bolshevist Russia. Martintg (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Estonia–Indonesia relations

 Done. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Owlcam has finished

The owl family's four chicks have hatched and left the nest. Today, Estonian Ornithological Society has finished the owlcam project.

While active, the site drew 2.9 million visits from 128 countries. [1]. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 10:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

significant views

Hi, Martin. What exactly makes Oleg Platonov's views "significant" on the Baltics? What about Mr. Platonov in regard to his being a "significant" source? PasswordUsername (talk) 00:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Oleg Platonov is notable (he has his own Wikipedia article), and viewpoints that can be attributed to notable people are thus significant enough for inclusion, with regard to due weight. Please read the relevant policies on NPOV. --Martintg (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

• Moved debate to Talk:Occupation_of_the_Baltic_states#Significant_views. Please continue discussion there. --Martintg (talk) 02:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright. PasswordUsername (talk) 02:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

SPI

 Clerk note: As per my earlier note to the case, your addition to the case did not constitute evidence regarding sockpuppetry, but consisted of allegations about the motives of certain parties to the case, and has been reverted. In accordance with SPI process, I must now ask you to cease contributing to the case. Mayalld (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Eastern Bloc

Don't want to make a huge deal about this, but there is an effort by a group of editors (usual group acting there, though in fairness they would dispute that) at the Eastern Bloc article that, as a result (with every iteration) dumps any map in the Lede depicting the USSR's SSRs. This includes deleting the Baltic states SSR depictions, which is why I figured that I would drop you a note given your interest on the region. I'm not sure how you come out on it, but my main reason for including them is that the article discusses the USSR's SSRs, thus it is helpful information, and it is within the EB. The discussion is on the Talk:Eastern Bloc‎ page.

I left Peter V, who appears very knowledgeable and familiar with the major sources on Baltic-related issues of the period, a note, and I figured that I would drop you one as well. If you're interested in the topic and period, you might want to throw the article on your watchlist as it draws a fair number of edits because of its breadth of scope.Mosedschurte (talk) 07:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Martintg,
I second Mosedschurte. I invite you to leave some comments on the Talk:Eastern Bloc regarding the map of Eastern bloc and related issues. I realize that our points of view do not coincide (and sometimes even are opposite), so it makes your point of view a fortiori valuable for me.
With respect,
--Paul Siebert (talk) 16:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest I have not formed a particular viewpoint on how this map ought to be presented, so I don't know it I can offer anything useful. It seems me to be a matter of style. As to Paul's conviction that our viewpoints do not coincide as a rule, I find that rather intriguing. --Martintg (talk) 06:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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Chile–Estonia relations

This page has been nominated for deletion (again). I'm notifying you per WP:CIVIL since you contributed significantly to the article.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Discrimination

Fresh news from the discrimination front: [2]. Google translation at [3].

This is the very "fellow countrymen" organisation Kremlin has set up after the Bronze Night. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 08:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

If they want the same status as Estonian citizens, why didn't they get Estonian citizenship in the first place? The mind boggles. Martintg (talk) 10:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The "foreigner fellow" status appears to be some sort of separate but equal construct. But I might be misunderstanding something. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 11:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately the "activists" while complaining of apartheid, when it comes down to it, advocate for apartheid as they want all the benefits without making the commitment and without integrating into wider society. My mother had to learn the language and had to pass her history exam to become a U.S. citizen. Not her choice, just the rules. It's not too much to ask for, by any country, to request a demonstration of that basic level of commitment to the country one calls home. (Russia has a set of rules and circumstance which make applying for citizenship almost impossible, BTW.)

   The majority of self-identified primary Russophones in Latvia have long been citizens; that there's a some massive issue in Estonia or Latvia is an increasingly untenable position as compared to the facts. (Not to mention WP:OR contentions of discrimination quoting news articles where new Estonian citizens are proud of their accomplishment!) PetersV       TALK 14:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Except when Russia thinks it can benefit from the citizens, as in South Ossetia. As you recall, Russia made it very easy for ethnic Ossetians to get Russian passport there, while Kokoity made it very hard for them to travel to Georgia to update Georgian passports, and even, strange as it may be, to travel to ethnic Georgian settlements in South Ossetian areas. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 16:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think your comparison is flawed. Your mother obviously wanted to go to the US. Baltic Russians had no choice. Besides, having to learn a world language such as English is a completely different thing from having to learn a small, obscure language such as Estonian which will not be useful to you anywhere outside Estonia. If you were forced to live in the Central African Republic, would you be willing to learn the local language in order to integrate, or would you prefer to stay within the zone of the American expat community and speak only English? Offliner (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

As you recall, very few countries have been issuing visas into the alien passports. So, citizenshipless people in Estonia and Latvia have been living in these countries for twenty years, never going overseas for a visit. Are you for real? I mean -- suggesting that people who never travel outside their "small, obscure country" being concerned about "world languages" brings the favourite quote of Ebenezer Scrooge to mind. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 16:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Since last year, Russia has been discriminating against citizens of Estonia and Latvia by way of requiring higher visa fees from then than from non-citizens. Maybe this a similar ploy? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 16:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Another interesting indicator of discrimination is that not only did Russia offer its citizenships to former USSR citizens rather freely in 1990s, but Russia has been actively inviting Russians to move to Russia. I mean -- Russia has been offering to cover the moving expenses and pay some money to Russian people who used to live outside Russia and are returning to Russia, because Russia is concerned about aging population and depopulation. It would be interesting to see how many people have taken up this chance to leave the countries where they're being discriminated against. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 16:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it was actually the Kaliningrad oblast that the 'compatriots' were invited to (hardly an improvement compared with Kohtla-Järve or Lasnamäe) ^_^ --Miacek (t) 10:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There were many immigrants in the early 1990s, but in my personal experience, they were mostly from Kazakhstan. Colchicum (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Estonian SSR as a birthplace

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Estonia–Luxembourg relations

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DYK for Human rights in Estonia

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A barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
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Eastern Europe

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1 RR

1RR seems to be a policy that is applied to users, not groups: [4]. I might be not getting somehting. What sort of 1RR did you have in mind? PasswordUsername (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the idea proposed by Sanstein is that 1RR would be imposed on the article. The benefit is that there wouldn't be a need to identify group members, since a sock could avoid that anyway. --Martintg (talk) 04:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I take it the same content can't be inserted, reverted by someone else, and reinserted back in, right? (I still think the issue is behavior, not content.) PasswordUsername (talk) 05:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

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1RR limit

Thatcher 03:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Vacated [5] Thatcher 20:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Soviet war crimes.

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Neo-Nazism

In response to your comment on my talk page, I edited the Estonia section of the neo-Nazism article. I deleted some unreferenced claims and improved the wording.Spylab (talk) 22:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Lia Looveer

Hi, you might want to take a look there, both because you're an Australian and the person concerned came from Estonia :). --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 12:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Estonian history

I have a question about the wording of Template:History of Estonia Timeline. Why is the Soviet period called "Soviet occupation", but all other periods are simply "Danish rule", "Russian rule", etc. Wasn't the reason for Danish rule that the Danes conquered Estonia? Also, why is Russian rule 1721-1918 not "occupation"? Offliner (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

International law is the likely cause, dear colleague. Unfortunately, there were also times when slavery was a perfectly normal business, whereas now it is probably referred to as a crime against humanity. You can't say (in strict sense) that Genghis Khan occupied Russia; on the other hand, claiming Hitler did not occupy Russia would be gravely erroneous. --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 17:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

How exactly does international law explain that the Danish rule was not an occupation? Offliner (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Be careful citing international law, as one can then ask to quote the actual case law involved, rather than mere opinions on what may or may not be. Some regard it as an occupation, some do not. Requests for such information in the past have gone unanswered. Anyway, I have taken the opportunity to rename it to Estonia in the USSR, as it is totally WP:NPOV. --Russavia ^Dialogue 18:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

International law is not about "case law", it is as Wikipedia's own article states: "International law is the term commonly used for referring to the system of implicit and explicit agreements that bind together nation-states in adherence to recognized values and standards" The use of military means to resolve territorial issues was renounced internationally in 1928 with the Kellogg–Briand Pact, which the Soviet Union was a signatory (and Russia being the legal successor). The pact prohibits nations from annexing territory by force. The Stimson Doctrine further reinforced the Pact by establishing the precedent under international law, of the doctrine of Ex injuria jus non oritur, ""illegal acts cannot create law"", i.e. lawful annexation cannot follow illegal occupation. Before the Kellogg–Briand Pact, it was perfectly legal for nation states to annex territory by force, now it is a crime against peace. --Martintg (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

To begin with, we have European Court of Human Rights cases on Occupation of Baltic States (you haven't edited that page, yet. You might want to take a look). Many more interesting sources can be found in this article. --Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 18:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The EU courts are not actual international cases, per se. They are only offering their opinion on international law. One need only look at the countries who recognise Kosovo as independent, claim that Abkhazian and South Ossetian independence is illegal, yet there is not yet any international case law on this. This is exactly the same case. I am aware of the Occupation of the Baltic States article, take a look at the talk page and one can see that editors totally ignore questions which are asked of them, when they claim that a majority of countries did not recognise the de jure incorporation of the Baltic states into the USSR, yet they are absolutely unable to provide opinions from the huge number of states which gained independence in the 1950s-1970s. Anyway, it will be impossible for one to say that what I changed it to is not NPOV in every sense of the word? --Russavia ^Dialogue 18:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Completely not NPOV as Estonia was never legally "in" or part of the USSR. Please don't push your POV under the guise of NPOV. VЄСRUМВА  ♪  20:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry, however, prior to the 20th century war was a legal means of settling disputes. In the 20th, not, so one cannot speak of earlier legal occupation. This has been gone over ad nauseum before. Russavia et al., do not rename events to make a WP:POINT to suit your personal POV. Soviets occupied, Nazis occupied, Soviets re-occupied. VЄСRUМВА  ♪  20:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

PasswordUsername

I left you a lengthy response at my talkpage. The edits you claimed as "reverts" were, for the most part, not reverts; I see no reason to block, so I haven't. The main issue is that I'm not interested in becoming party to this long-running edit war across numerous articles, and I'm not interested in becoming anyone's lap-dog by taking sides in a conflict where both sides are acting poorly.
Anyway, please do read the message at my talkpage, because I have left suggestions there for you as well as for PasswordUsername. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Peacock term

Your last edit of the Soviet war crimes article demonstrates that you are not satisfied with wording. I took these words directly form the source ( William Korey. The Origins and Development of Soviet Anti-Semitism: An Analysis. Slavic Review, Vol. 31, No. 1 (Mar., 1972), pp. 111-135), it is the article in the academic journal. If these words are acceptable there, I believe they are equally good for WP. However, if you disagree, feel free to reword. Otherwise, I'll remove the tag in close future.
Regards,
--Paul Siebert (talk) 15:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The quotation marks are the improvement.--Paul Siebert (talk) 06:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Invitation

I appreciated your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Home. We have worked together before User_talk:Martintg/Archive_2#welcome thankfully all of those bilateral articles have now been redirected! So that battle is over....

You maybe interested in a group I am a member of:

WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing Hello, Martintg. You have been invited to join the Article Rescue Squadron, a collaborative effort to rescue articles from deletion if they can be improved through regular editing. For more information, please visit the project page, where you can >> join << and help rescue articles tagged for deletion and rescue. Ikip (talk) 06:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

...hope to see you in the AFD trenches again. Ikip (talk) 06:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Divisional symbols

Can you read Estonian? Then please read this repeated by this. What are your sources for the officiality of the 'EI' insignia? --Jaan Pärn (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, but I don't know how reliable these websites are, the two seem to repeat the same thing, but don't provide any references to support their claims. I recall reading other sources that state that is was used informally. --Martintg (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, seems that none of us has the sources to verify our claims. Until we get our hands on some sources, why don't we leave the more commonly used insignia which will be better recognised by anyone who knows anything about the symbolics of the division. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 21:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Given that we do have one source that is considered reasonably reliable, www.axishistory.com, indicating that this is the official unit symbol, we should retain the original, until we can verify otherwise. --Martintg (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

ok, I'll deal with it tomorrow. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 21:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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Arbitration case regarding the Eastern European mailing list

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Please comment here

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Email forwarding

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Deletionists have gont too far

I see your stamp too is up for deletion, their justifications are ill based. Eli+ 09:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hugo Raudsepp

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Teamwork accusations from you

Being shocked by your accusations here, I very unequivocally demand from you to present clear evidence that I have been involved in on-wiki or off-wiki communication, discussing coordinated editing WP articles, and breaking the WP policy, with any of users you named (Offliner, Russavia, PasswordUsername, HistoricWarrior007, Igny, Shotlandiya, and Vlad fedorov). Unless you are able to present any such evidence, I expect from you an apologise for these accusations - to me, and other users you named as a members of this "team".FeelSunny (talk) 11:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Relocation of EEML evidence

Just a notice: For a few users I have relocated your EEML evidence to a sub-page.

The reasons for this are because your sections are now so long it was becoming impossible to navigate and decipher who wrote what, particularly towards the end of sections. This effectively rendered your evidence as unusable, which was not a good thing.

Rather than reduce the size of your evidence (which I deemed as unfair) I have removed them to private subpages. These are yours and yours alone to edit. They certain make interpreting your evidence MUCH easier.

The downside is that when you update your evidence it does not go into the history log of the principal evidence page. Hence I suggest you add a brief "Updated evidence on ..." note beneath your evidence heading on the main evidence page. This will alert people to changes on your subpage. An extra bit of hassle I know, but it a small price for having evidence which can be understood.

Also feel free to create a single sentence description of your main headings and insert it on the main page below the link I have added. See for an example from a previous case.

I hope none of you are upset by this - I assure you my only objective was to increase the usability of your evidence.

Sincerely, Manning (talk) 23:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

ANI discussion

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You really need to explain

Since you and Biophys have been bringing this one up, and you've included it in your evidence, please take a good look at [6]. I'd like to have some good answers – and please do not reply by addressing me by any first names. You already know that this is not kosher with me, and why you would insist on doing this other than to be offensive or make a WP:POINT is beyond me altogether. Anti-Nationalist (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Please don't make false accusations that I "insisted" on calling you by your first name, you long had your name displayed on your userpage, I had used your name in the past in good faith and without complaint by you. The only time I became aware that it was not kosher with you was your vexatious ANI report listed in my EEML evidence. I ask you to no longer comment on my talk page. --Martintg (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Red Terror on the Amber Coast

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Thoughts on some topics

Hi, interesting topics (Operation Pike, Operation Catherine). I just noticed as well that the article(s) on the Coup(s) of June 1940 is/are missing here on English Wikipedia. Is there a point in starting one based on the content already available? You've got any sources and willingness to expand such a subject in the near future? Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 12:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm currently working on User:Martintg/Visual arts in Estonia, but I'm planning on doing some work on the area you mentioned and have worked on a draft while awaiting delivery of some books I ordered. I found good source that goes into a bit of detail on the conduct of the fraudulent elections that led to incorporation of the Baltic states into the Soviet Union. It provides an analysis of the legality of the process with regard to the constitutions of the respective countries. One interesting fact I found was that at the time Estonia had a bicameral parliament, consisting of the Chamber of Deputies and the National Council. The Estonian constitution required that all legislation be passed by both chambers before becoming law. The Soviet authorities had forgotten to hold elections for the National Council and thus it was never able to pass any legislation. According to the analysis in this book: "But even apart from the illegality of the election of the Chambers of Deputies, they had no legislative power without the second Chamber, which was not re-elected and never again convened." --Martin (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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Republic of Estonia (1918-1940)

I won't delve into this any further, but you had no consensus (per Afd result) to change that article to a redirect & therefore I've reverted your change. I won't delve into this dispute any deeper, but I'm concerned with your 'bold' action. GoodDay (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for purging this. I am afraid the whole contribution of Kalamarnica in the last several months needs to be reverted.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed, I'll look at it more closely over the weekend. Cheers -Nug (talk) 11:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I complained with them some time ago and reverted a number of their contributions, but they came back and readded a slightly modified list. They never responded to me.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

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Himmerod

Sorry, but I am looking at the page. Please check here - Himmerod misspelled Himmerode. ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Indeed you are correct. I'll resort that text. --Nug (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

ww2 casualties

1940 borders of USSR included Białystok region and Zakerzonia), which was returned to Poland in 1945. I will correct ww2 casualties. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 21:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

The Russian source (ADK) НАСЕЛЕНИЕ Советского Союза 1922-1991 explicitly states that the population in 1939 within the 1946-91 borders is used as the base [7] See page 53

Таким образом, для дальнейших расчетов мы приняли численность населения СССР на начало 1939 г. 168 524,4 тыс. человек в старых границах и 188 793,6 тыс. человек в границах 1946 -1991 гг. Этими данными, так же как и данными предыдущих переписей населения, мы воспользовались в качестве опорных точек в дальнейших расчетах и не подвергали их какой,-либо модификации. ктуры-’на эти даты, выравненные предвар

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Thus, for further calculations we took the population of the USSR at the beginning of 1939 168 524.4 thousand. People in the old borders and 188 793.6 thousand. People within the borders of 1946 -1991 years. These data, as well as data from previous censuses, we have used as reference points for further calculations and do not subject them to any, modification-

The Russian sources have always subtracted the Polish territory returned in 1945 from the population base used to compute losses. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 11:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

The study by ADK is the source of the figure of the 26.6 million Soviet war dead that appears in historical literature. The ADK figures are generally accepted by historians. See pages 73-78 for the computation of the war dead, pages 50-53 for the population of the annexed regions and page 118 for the schedule of the population shifts from 1921-1959.[8]. --Woogie10w (talk) 16:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, are you still planning to share the scanned pages from the source that you mentioned? Should I email you? K.e.coffman (talk) 01:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Timeline

Hi, would be great to get your opinion on this thread:

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Tänan

Tänan selle viite eest. See on aidanud taustinfona kaasa, et "Baltic states" mõistena õigesse ajaloolisse konteksti panna. Ehk siis, et sõna "baltic" tuleb mere nimetusest, mitte baltisakslastest ega balti keeltest (mis samuti said oma nime mere järgi). Ning ennem 1900 kasutati "baltic states" mõiste all kõiki balti merega piirnevaid riike. SørenKierkegaard (talk) 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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