User talk:Oreo Priest/Archive 2

Greek Temples

Hi Oreo Priest. Thanks for your edits to the Greek temple article, and many thanks for the barnstar! athinaios (talk) 13:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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St V

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Wine of Savoy or Savoie or Allobrogie

Wine of Savoy or Savoie or Allobrogie

This article is the result of several compilations. OK for Savoy Maseracing (talk) 12:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Partition of Belgium peer review

Hi Oreo Priest - I've started a peer review for this article, please participate. I don't know how much it takes to make this article an FA, but I'm gonna try and I need your help. K a r n a (talk) 16:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Covering of the Senne map

I would be interested in trying to make a map of the Covering of the Senne. I am always up for a challenge. Let me do some research this weekend and then get back to you with some ideas.

Thanks for thinking of me, MapMaster (talk) 03:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I've started work on the 1837 map, and have the Senne drawn out, along with a basic backdrop. My plan is to superimpose the newer buildings on this redrawn map of 1837. Is this OK?

My problem is that I don't know what newer buildings you are looking for me to show (other than the Stock Exchange), Could you provide with a list of buildings and their locations?? MapMaster 05:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have the basis of the map, without any buildings or labels: Image:Covering_of_the_Senne-1st_draft.png. I guess I'm just a bit disappointed with this: it doesn't have any wow factor. Is this basically what you were thinking of?? Please tell me what you think. MapMaster (talk) 05:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I have returned. Pardon my long absence, Mr. P.

I think your comments are on target and I am not surprised that things don't line up. It is very difficult to cleanly superimpose two maps -- any two maps really. I'm not sure why -- perhaps different projections??

In any case, I am back on the job and I have modified the 1st draft based on the one map you pointed me to and I have uploaded it as Image:Image-Covering of the Senne-2nd draft.png. Note that I am proposing to show a smaller area for the map, and not the entire pentagon. If you decided to go with this approach, I would:

1. Add a number of smaller streets.
2. Place the landmarks on the map.
3. Find some way to spark it up a bit. Perhaps the Senne should be wider?? Better colours?? Not sure at this point.

What do you think?? MapMaster (talk) 22:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I added some smaller streets, added one landmark, and improved the colours a bit. This new map is at Image:Image-Covering of the Senne-2nd draft.png.

Here's my present problem: I'm not sure of the landmarks. I was able to locate the Stadhuis on Yahoo maps, but I'm not sure where anything else is. I also don't know what streets, if any, I should label. I'm just not at all familiar with Brussels.

As an alternative, you could install Inkscape (it's freeware), add circles for landmarks, add names, and then allow me to "prettify" it.

In any case, tell me your thoughts, MapMaster (talk) 05:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Getting close

I have just uploaded an updated version of the map, one which I hope is very close to the final version. Unfortunately, I am still was unable to add some of the landmarks you mentioned. I couldn't find them on the Letts map or, in the case of Place De Brouck, I couldn't fit it on the map, what with the streets, the Senne, the names, and the church.

I also seem to have picked up some names in French and some in Dutch/Flemish.

I await your comments. MapMaster (talk) 20:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I will upload it as an SVG when we decide on a final version.

And closer

I have taken the advice you've left on my Talk page, with the following exceptions:

• "I think you should delete all of the street names that aren't the central boulevards". Without these perhaps-superfluous names, I believe the map is unbalanced, and so I would like to leave them in. I took the names, which are a mixture of Dutch and French from Yahoo maps, so I can blame them when the language police come looking for me!  : ) I would be happy to rename them, or name other streets. I wanted to retain the Stadhuis for the same reason (balance) but since you asked me twice, I reluctantly removed it.
• "It would be nice if you could say Senne (Zenne) or Senne/Zenne instead of just Senne". The article name says "Senne", so I will leave it at that (simpler, creates less confusion). I can certainly create a Dutch language version if/when that article is written.
• I also did not name the present-day course of the Senne 'cause I really am not sure where it is. I believe that all blue lines on this map were on the 1837 map. Your thoughts?

I would be happy to make further changes. I don't consider your recommendations nitpicking at all - we're both aiming for excellence. MapMaster (talk) 03:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Upon re-reading the article, I'm wondering whether we shouldn't add the North and South railway stations, except I'm not sure that the map extends to the North station.

P.P.S. I would like to translate this map for the French article, if you would help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MapMaster (talk • contribs) 04:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

What about adding the Antwerp Gate? It's referred to a couple of times in the article and it would seem that it's located where Jacqmain meets the Pentagon.

I will make the other name changes shortly. Not sure about arrows and the North and South stations -- let me think on that. Funny note about wordsmithing!

Finally, when I was wordsmithing  : ) I found that this sentence murky, referring to an event which I, and many readers, would be totally unfamiliar with: "He wanted to attract the middle class, most of whom had left the downtown for the suburbs after the success of the Leopold quarter and Louise Avenue." Maybe instead of "downtown for the suburbs after the success of . . . " we could say something like "left downtown for the successful (bright? clean?) new suburbs of . . . ".

Thanks, MapMaster (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:09, 16 January 2008 (

UTC)

Are we there yet?

I made the changes you suggested. The map has filled in nicely and works very closely with the article. It's almost like it was designed for it!  : ) MapMaster (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I have made the changes suggested on my talk page. I also changed the street names on the English map.

Could you go to the French map and write a description in French? That would help, I think. MapMaster (talk) 23:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!

[1] - Sorry about getting the tense wrong. I didn't read the sentence properly. Thanks! Scarian^Talk 16:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Novorossiya

No, the calque is not appropriate ([2]). Per WP:ENGLISH and WP:NCGN we use the established English name. The established names are Novosibirsk, Novomoskovsk, Novorossiya, not New Siberia, or New Moscow, or New Russia. Greggerr (talk) 00:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Mercenary war

Do you know who created the image you used and what are the sources? Wandalstouring (talk) 12:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Centrios

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NexxTech

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Covering of the Senne

• You could use named refs for all refs which are exactly the same. I did one for you, see "Demey, 48." Other possibilities include:
• De Vries, 25.
• Demey, 49.
• Demey, 61.
• Demey, 65.
• Ling.Nut (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Covering of the Senne GA assessment

I’ve placed the GA nomination on hold pending remedy of concerns noted on the article’s talk page. Please let me know if you’ve any questions. Ɛƚƈơƅƅơƚɑ _talk 20:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up has been posted. Ɛƚƈơƅƅơƚɑ _talk 22:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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Keep up the great work! --Royalbroil 03:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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Answer to the question?

Journalism is current and topical. Encyclopedia knowledge is ancient and boring. Journalists lead exciting lives with small notepads, looking for new information (or politically flattering falsehoods), while encyclopedists shuffle through old information, compiling and categorizing. I think this is the mindset that produces the effect you describe. —vivacissamamente (talk) 13:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

What you say is true, but then there's the old saying that no one wants last week's newspaper. —vivacissamamente (talk) 16:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

covering of the senne

Hi OP,

I meant that the lede should be a summary of all the main points of the article should be added ... (not just the one sentence I pointed out as an example)  ;-) later! Ling.Nut (talk) 08:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never done a FA before, and it might be interesting. However, I will only be able to of limited help here due to the fact I will not have access to research materials in case anything needs to be added. I can help with the boring stuff that gets demanded though, such as copyediting etc. I think you should nominate it and if it fails, at least we get to experience the FA process. Zeus1234 (talk) 00:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Zenne Map

Hi there, good to have you back. Please, let me suggest you the following translation:

For the yellow box:

De Zenne

Loop in 1837

Getekend doorheen hedendaags Brussel-stad

Augustinian Church = "Augustijnenkerk, afgebroken in 1893" (btw see Lost past, it also talks about why it's been demolished, because of the "Overwelving van de Zenne".)

I suggest you translate North Station simply by Noordstation and South Station by Zuidstation. Lesser Senne is Kleine Zenne, Laeken is written Laken, Stock Exchange is Beurs, Charleroi Canal is commonly referred to as Kanaal Brussel-Willebroek, Antwerp Gate is Antwerpsepoort, Central Halls is Centrale Hallen. Good work, it's being appreciated.

In the mean time, I've been working on another major event in the history of Brussels and still a very hot topic in Belgian politics. See nl:Gebruiker:Hooiwind/Klad1, how Brussels could become mainly French-speaking in less than two centuries. It's taking me months, but I want to keep it as neutral as possible using sources in both languages. It's an attempt to get rid of all the bias (and bullshit, forgive me my wording) that's written about it, especially in Dutch and (most of all) in French (and through French, often also in English). Truth leads to understanding... and who knows, finally, a government ;-) --Hooiwind (talk) 11:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The correct link is nl:Gebruiker:Hooiwind/Klad1. I'm still working on it, and I secretely hope it'll get translated into other languages later on. As for the Bombardment of Brussels, it's a shame there is no article in Dutch —although the French one is fairly recent as well. The images are really good, the first one for instance says in old fashioned Dutch "bombed and burning Brussels". On the other hand, it's good to see how many good articles already exist about Brussels. There's still hope! --Hooiwind (talk) 13:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Mr P, I haven't completed the Dutch version yet, but the French version is here. Please let me know what errors, if any, I have made. You may also wish to change some of the English into French.

It's good to hear about the GA for your article. Yes, go for FA if you can stand the niggling! MapMaster (talk) 04:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar!!

It was a wonderful surprise to receive the Barnstar, in large part for the maps on Covering of the Senne. Thank you very much for this. I love making maps and wish I could spend more time doing it. This certainly was a challenging one, trying to overlay data from two century-old maps with modern data. Keep up the good work there, Oreo, and I would love to work with you on another project. MapMaster (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Image

Sorry! I usually don't do that. I think I was in a rush with something else. Thanks for bringing that up.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 14:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Francization of Brussels

Hi there, just to let you know that I finished writing nl:Verfransing van Brussel and that somebody already started to translate it. He wants help though, so if you'd want, would you mind to list it for translation anyway? The article's being read on the Dutch peer review page for the moment. I'm following your edits on Brussels-related articles by the way. If you'd need any of my help, please don't hesitate! --Hooiwind (talk) 19:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Francization of Brussels

Hey, thanks for the comment. The translation is more of an exercise for me to help me improve my Dutch (I'm a native English speaker), so whatever comes out in English is usually fine, its the Dutch I don't totally understand :-) Feel free to edit it however you'd like--Daveblack (talk) 21:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Zenne

Thank you for informing me about the discussion going on about renaming Zenne to Senne. You were right to use Senne in a Brussels-context, but when talking about the river with no geographical focus I prefer to stick to the current situation... Goodnight! --Hooiwind (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

1. Congratulations with your translation of the seconde enceinte de Bruxelles. I saw your comment on Talk:Francization of Brussels, and I totally agree, but seen the comments on the French wikipedia by user:Godefroy (most likely), I had to counter what he had said before others arrived. I hope you don't consider me one of those utilisateurs provocateurs (for some, adding any word of Dutch and insisting thereon, is extrémiste) and that we can continue our friendly and fruitful collaboration. --Hooiwind (talk) 14:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I think your way of naming the gates is quite smart, only Schaerbeek could be Schaarbeek and so on, but the difference is so minor that nobody will make a problem about that. Keep up the good work, and see you soon. --Hooiwind (talk) 14:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, don't you think it would be better to align all images on the right side instead of scattering them around the article? It would give some more calm to the article I guess. --Hooiwind (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Off the record
It's not that I want to be a terrible know-it-all, but please allow me to give you some suggestions concerning your French userpage : un Canadien d’en dehors du Québec, L'anglais est ma langue maternelle, mon français, traduire du français en anglais, le wikipédia, Au cas où il y aurait quelque chose d'urgent, articles créés, articles traduits en anglais and améliorés. Just some minor things, but don't kill me if I'm wrong. For some reason, I thought you were British, but then why would you know French ;-) --Hooiwind (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

That was just a joke, no offence to anybody —it's indeed possible that many Brits have French at school, but that's something else than speaking it. If you look at that map, Dutch people are said to speak French to the same degree as in Flanders, which is clearly incorrect. They study some French at school, but stick to the basics. The map also shows that in the UK knowledge of French is the same as in Flanders, and I seriously have my doubts about that! I just supposed that, with French being the second language in Canada, Canadians might know French more often than the Brits. But as I said, no offence to anybody of course. --Hooiwind (talk) 12:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Francis Bok

Thank you for your work on Francis Bok. I hadn't noticed the problem, but then again I didn't really look at it after my last save. Please make any changes that you think would make the article better.Dincher (talk) 22:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Second walls of Brussels

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Francization of Brussels

Good afternoon. Some clarity was indeed lost in the translation.
In Dutch I wrote about the massive exodus of the Flemish and Brabantian elite (of present-day Flanders) to the Northern Netherlands after the arrival of the Spaniards (remembered in Dutch as "the cut of the Netherlands"). While the latter had their Golden Age, the South entered a black period it its history. After the 17th century (roughly overlapping with the Dutch Golden Age), however, the Northern Netherlands also declined on both political, economical and cultural scale, which furthered damaged the reputation of Dutch (compared to French, which was at that time a flourishing language).
As for the Flemish bourgeosie who adopted French, they are often called "franskiljons" in Dutch —which has a less pejorative meaning in French—, see the articles nl:Franskiljons or fr:Fransquillons for more information. --Hooiwind (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Could you clarify the previous in the article please? My English would sound too artificial, I'm afraid. As for the Franskiljons thing, I wrote that they were called that way because there was an article about it, maybe we could just as well drop that in English. --Hooiwind (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment, I appreciate it! I noticed that the quote of Voltaire was not included in the translation. I used it to illustrate that the Brussels commoners still spoke Dutch.

In the Dutch article, I wrote: In 1739 schreef de Franse dichter Voltaire nog dat hij bij zijn bezoek aan Brussel verbaasd was over de overweldigende meerderheid van Vlamingen, meaning In 1739 the French poet Voltaire, while residing shortly in Brussels, wrote how amazed he was by the overwhelming majority of Flemings. Literally Voltaire wrote: Le diable qui dispose de ma vie, m'envoie à Bruxelles et songez, s'il vous plaît, qu'il n'y a à Bruxelles que des Flamands. And then comes the second paragraph, talking about how many people prefered to use French in public life. Don't you think it would be nice to include the quote, maybe translated into English? --Hooiwind (talk) 16:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violations

[On Alex 8194's wall]: I understand that our image use policy and fair use policy can be a bit hard to digest, but you really need to stop uploading and editing images until you fully understand them. Can you promise to stay away from images until I or another administrator helps you with regard to this? east.718 at 20:37, February 22, 2008

Yes, I can. I'd like to know everything about uploading images and copyright policy. But, can I just upload images that are entirely my own work(self-made) ? I never had problems with those. --Alex 8194 (talk) 00:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Bombardment of Brussels

I would be more than happy to help. Which sections do you want me to do? Zeus1234 (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Classes start for me tomorrow, so I might get busy as well. I had a look my textbooks today and it seems quite difficult (I've forgotten most of the characters), but I'll do as much as I can. Zeus1234 (talk) 11:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I was going to fix the red links afterwards. Thanks for letting me know how to easily find the English article though! Sorry for being slow with the translation, I've been busier than expected here.Zeus1234 (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not doing more but I've been very busy lately with schoolwork, traveling and other various activities. I just finished my exams though, so will be happy to go through the article. Have fun in London and be sure to visit the British Museum! I myself am going to Xian next week. Zeus1234 (talk) 07:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Brussels Rule

To some extent I indeed devised the rule myself, in order to end the linguistic disputes, which I wouldn't call petty but rather symbolic (otherwise reasonable people wouldn't participate in them —including myself). Anyways, I agree we should codify it. If we do it at WPBelgium, we should also specify that as for Belgian-related articles, Dutch deserves priority. Maybe we should design a Brussels Language Rule banner then (and put it on all-Brussels related articles), to keep things simple (a bit more work though, but otherwise on all Belgian articles this rule would be shown which is unnecessary).
However, the French throughout part is to me only justified in the article about the subject itself: as for Grand Place, first line indeed: "Grote Markt (D) or Grand Place (F)" and then Grand Place throughout, but all streets, statues, buildings etc. should have both names (eg Maison du Roi/Broodhuis, Rue des Bouchers/Beenhouwersstraat or be anglicized, eg Town Hall or House of the Dukes of Brabant).
Also, to compensate the French title and the fact that French is used throughout, I think we'd better put Dutch above French in the infobox (Grand Place being an exception, since the official UNESCO name is used there, but see Sint-Agatha-Berchem for instance, but the other way around) (also note that in the articles with a French title, the infobox remains F-D). Otherwise our then explicit Brussels rule might be considered by many as biased towards French and since we can't oblige people to stick to it, we'd better try to find a certain equilibrium so everybody can live with it. Also, we should specify that our rule doesn't replace the former consensus on the naming of municipalities (Sint-Agatha-Berchem, Sint-Jans-Molenbeek). What do you think? --Hooiwind (talk) 09:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree why you call the disputes petty. About Belgian priority for Dutch; I want to avoid that discussion so that's why I proposed a separate banner. On the order at the top we also seem to agree. That leaves us with "French throughout".
"I propose that bilingual French/Dutch names (or calques) only be given if the subject lacks its own article. If it has it, we'll just put the title of the corresponding article with a wikilink." Mmm, it would make all articles very French. I can agree on a system as in Covering of the Senne, where you write, the first time the word "Senne" is encountered: "The Senne/Zenne (French/Dutch) was historically the main waterway of Brussels(...)" only because Senne is mentioned about 30 times and constantly writing Senne/Zenne would be very tiring. I would not codify this part, since this frequency is rather rare and nobody would be annoyed if the one time Grand Place is mentioned in a random article, Grand Place/Grote Markt is written. Plus, Brussels is quite flexible: Rue Montoyerstraat etc. I think the bilingual system should be used throughout all articles unless for the subject of the article, so we'd just create a new dispute I'm afraid. But, as I said, since it is so rare we'd better not include this I guess. Let's leave users free on this. (It'd be an endless discussion about something not really causing trouble, since it is already common practice)
Totally agree on opening the discussion though. I suggest we limit ourselves to the following: French title; first line Dutch-French; infobox Dutch-French, unless Dutch is more relevant or chosen by consensus. Agree? --Hooiwind (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Or more precise: In line with the most common usage in English, we suggest/it has been chosen to give Brussels-related articles a French title while mentioning Dutch first in both the first line and in the infobox, except when Dutch is more relevant or was prefered by consensus. This recommendation does not replace any established consensus. Or something of the like. Cheers, --Hooiwind (talk) 15:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed to accommodate reading, it is prefered to use the title throughout the article. Also, some articles have an English title (Brussels Park, Brussels-South railway station), maybe we should include something to prevent all pages being moved to a French title. If anglicization is easy or obvious, the English title is used, used throughout the article and the first line and the infobox follow the order French-Dutch. (which is more or less the current situation) --Hooiwind (talk) 16:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

As for the format, what do you think of this [removed by OP] but with Manneken Pis instead of a dove, of course ;-) --Hooiwind (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

As long as the rule is easily found, I agree. Good idea to put the short version of the Brussels rule in bold in the WP Belgium, and place a link to a page where the other cases (as with English titles) are explained (in algorithmic form). --Hooiwind (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok great, I'll start in an hour or two — first I want to finish a chapter in my econometrics book and then I have to make dinner, but I'll do it tonight for sure! --Hooiwind (talk) 17:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

What you did manage to make is beautiful ! --Hooiwind (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I made a draft on [3] + agree on it being a "convention" rather than a "rule", it sounds too dikke nek that way (pretentious, in Dutch and Brussels French). --Hooiwind (talk) 21:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I have never been a expert when it comes to remember the names of tenses, especially because the English subjunctive is not the same as the French subjonctif or the Spanish subjuntivo, and the conjunctive is not the same as the German Konjunctif or the conjonctif, and so on... I gave up on that, but as long as I can use them, I'm a very happy person. I see you finished it off, good job. I noticed you replaced the example by Ixelles, no problem: but shouldn't the infobox be Dutch-French then? By the way, even I haven't seen that movie. Shame on me! So now we wait for reactions, right? --Hooiwind (talk) 12:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Castaño (bakery)

A tag has been placed on Castaño (bakery) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk^Help 09:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Titanium La Portada

Done. —97198 talk 13:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Most authors don't address problems so quickly if at all! —97198 talk 23:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Francization and bombardment

Thanks for the congratulations! A bit strange however, 20 people voting in favour for its FA promotion (see [4]), praising the article for its neutrality (one against: not enough images), whereas on the French wikipedia it seems to be quite badly received (as expected, see [5]) and often emotionally labelled nationalist ([6]), without giving any reason but it being written by a Fleming. If only more of them could read the full Dutch version... I'm quite busy for the moment though, spent too much time on wikipedia already... So unfortunately, as for now, I can't do more than just keep an eye on the translation!

I also commented on some questions in your translation of the Bombardment article. Hope it'll help! Hooiwind (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha, obviously walls don't disappear spontaneously... Sounds rather funny though. Now I think about it, it sounds somewhat strange in Dutch as well, so I'd better correct that too. I indeed changed the spellings to British English since in the Belgium article this is the guideline as well: Text is to be written in British English, in which respect Oxford English spelling is used for this article. (see Talk:Belgium) Don't ask me why British English is preferred there, probably because we're in Europe I suppose. That's in any case the English I learnt in school. --Hooiwind (talk) 22:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

You are right indeed. Well, I only changed a few words (flavour and centre), so as you say it'll be very easy to change it back later on. Not that I mind whether it's written in British or American English. My main concern was to get rid of minor things as eduction and so on. Did the same thing for the French translation. Also, I know the feeling of being gone without even being about to leave, I did an exchange last semester in Austria. There I had the time to write such a long article, but now I have to work double as hard to get back on track! --Hooiwind (talk) 11:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The fontaine bleue stands on the corner of the Steenstraat (Rue des Pierres) and the Kolenmarkt (Marché au Charbon), right behind the Town Hall. It was compeletely destroyed in the bombardment and reconstructed in the 18th century, when the head of a vomiting man was added. Hence the name de spuwer or le cracheur. Have fun in London! --Hooiwind (talk) 11:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Titanium La Portada, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Bombardment of Brussels

Great article, but for the DYK you don't have a cite for the claim that it was the worst disaster ever to befall Brussels. Could you provide one please - or else an alternative hook - because the article would make a very nice lead and I'd hate to see it miss out. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 12:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Committed identity

I'm happy to help you. First you need to think up a word or phrase (known as string by programmers) that is different than your password. Longer the better, as long as you can easily remember it. Then you have the website calculate the hash value. The program calculates a non-random but extremely long value from the string. That calculated value is very difficult for someone to hack. There's a hash calculator here that you can use. Then you enter in the string from the first step. Hit "calculate". It calculates several hash values. You copy the SHA-512 result (control-c), and paste the value in a new box on the bottom of your userpage {{user committed identity|hash value|SHA-512}}. So for the string test, you would paste in {{user committed identity|ee26b0dd4af7e749aa1a8ee3c10ae9923f618980772e473f8819a5d4940e0db27ac185f8a0e1d5f84f88bc887fd67b143732c304cc5fa9ad8e6f57f50028a8ff|SHA-512}}.

If your account was compromised later, you can prove that you are the real owner of this account by contacting someone (I don't know who!), telling them that your string is test. They would calculate the SHA-512 hash and know that you are the correct owner of the account. Royalbroil 13:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You can read a much better explanation with details at Template:User committed identity. Royalbroil 14:16, 30 April 2008 (UT

The system is...

DYK suggestions are loaded for 5 days on the suggestions page. During that time they are debated, honed, checked and debated. Eventually someone (this could be you) loads up articles on the next update after assuring themselves that everything is OK. (It is poor practise to load your own article/hooks.) If you are unhappy with the hook chosen then please withdraw the article. If you want to debate more then move the article back to suggestions. Eventually an admin will load up the next update. If this was me doing the loading then I would avoid any that appeared to be still in active discussion. Victuallers (talk) 19:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)