User talk:PCMorphy72/List of songs about or referencing Syd Barrett

Webchat for Wikipedia articles for Syd Barrett, 03 June 2014

[13:16] <PCMorphy72> !helper Hello. I would like to know if it's normal if the reviewer who declined my article takes more than 24h to reply to a couple of questions I put in his tak page
[13:17] <+Firefly67> the reviewers are all volunteers, they edit and respond to questions when they have time
[13:19] <PCMorphy72> thanks, but there is a way to ask help from other volunteers in the meanwhile? (I've waited 5 weeks for his negative judgement)
[13:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> hi
[13:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 ?
[13:19] <PCMorphy72> Yes
[13:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> show us the page, please?
[13:20] <+Firefly67> well, Gigs wrote a detailed account of why it isn't appropriate
[13:20] <PCMorphy72> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/List_of_songs_about_or_referencing_Syd_Barrett
[13:21] <PCMorphy72> Yes Gigs wrote, but I've wrote too to find an agreement, to let him understand more an possibly to edit the page
[13:22] <PCMorphy72> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gigs#Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation.2FList_of_songs_about_or_referencing_Syd_Barrett
[13:22] <+Dragonfly6-7> Hm.
[13:23] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - at the very least, this is a complex case
[13:23] <+Dragonfly6-7> if I were doing reviews, I'd leave this one for someone else
[13:23] <+Dragonfly6-7> you've done some exquisite referencing
[13:24] <+Dragonfly6-7> let me think
[13:24] <PCMorphy72> The fact is that the reviewer seems to have simply ignored just the references, basing his judgement in what I've wrote to let the article more readable though it's about a "List"
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[13:25] <+Dragonfly6-7> Yeah, that's the thing. You could do exquisite referencing for a total POV essay, and that wouldn't make it appropriate for a Wikipedia articlec.
[13:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> GET FF MY DESK, CAT
[13:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> I CANT SEE THE SCREEN THE CAT IS ON MY ESK
[13:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> okay
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[13:27] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - I think what you need to do is really trim down that opening section. You go off on too many tangents that are not strictly factual, I think.
[13:28] <PCMorphy72> I asked Gigs about that, if the problem is the opening section, of if the "List" itsel would be OK
[13:30] <+Dragonfly6-7> Two things
[13:30] <+Dragonfly6-7> the opening is too flowery and tangent-filled
[13:30] <+Dragonfly6-7> and the list isn't strict enough
[13:31] <PCMorphy72> Why isn't strict?
[13:31] <PCMorphy72> the lyrics and the citations aren't a proof?
[13:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> no, the thing is you're being too inclusive
[13:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> I could record myself singing "syd barrett, syd barrett, a very sad man" over and over
[13:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> and then upload it to bandcamp
[13:32] <PCMorphy72> every song has been officially released
[13:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> I could make an official release of my song "Syd Barrett, Syd Barrett"
[13:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> so here
[13:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> only include songs that are by artists who have Wikipedia articles
[13:33] <PCMorphy72> ah...now i understand
[13:34] <PCMorphy72> about an half of them are in wikipedia as it's possible to seee from the links
[13:34] <PCMorphy72> many others could be on wikipedia as well...
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[13:35] <+Dragonfly6-7> Could be, but aren't.
[13:35] <PCMorphy72> in the similar article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_about_or_referencing_Elvis_Presley many artists have the red link
[13:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - doesn't mean you should emulate that article.
[13:36] <PCMorphy72> I though it was better an external link than a red link
[13:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> Rather, it means someone needs to go through and chop out anything that's redlinked.
[13:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> I understand, but better to remove them, because in this sort of context it's much too easy to fill up the article with external spamlinks
[13:37] <PCMorphy72> I understand... I thought the verifying the quality of the citations would be enough, though it was an hard work for the reviewers
[13:38] * Dragonfly6-7 nods.
[13:38] <+Dragonfly6-7> I'm going to trim down that Elvis article right now, in fact
[13:40] <PCMorphy72> I'm realizing that are artists not linked at all in the Elivis article, but it may be very "Informative" information, to have a complete list
[13:40] <+Dragonfly6-7> yeah, I'm working on that right this minute
[13:41] * Dragonfly6-7 sings "SYD BARRET, SYD BARRET... A VERY SAD MAN"
[13:41] <+Dragonfly6-7> I have a decent singing voice
[13:41] <+Dragonfly6-7> but of course I don't have a microphone yet.
[13:42] <PCMorphy72> it's anyway a work from professional artists and "properly" released by a label and distributed with conventional ways.. I'm talikng also for the times before internet
[13:47] <+Dragonfly6-7> Still.
[13:48] <+Dragonfly6-7> Restrict yourself to only artists who already have Wikipedia articles.'
[13:48] <+Dragonfly6-7> that'll trim it down substantially.
[13:48] <PCMorphy72> OK, and for the introduction I have to wait the gigs reply?
[13:51] <+Dragonfly6-7> If he hasn't answered by Monday, come on back here.
[13:51] <+Dragonfly6-7> okay?
[13:52] <PCMorphy72> Thanks, I have just another question
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[13:54] <PCMorphy72> I have to wait another months for this similar article to be reviewed or I can ask e.g. Gigs to review it before. I have it almost ready here (I guess I have to trim it as well): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PCMorphy72/List_of_works_about_Syd_Barrett
[13:56] <+Dragonfly6-7> Okay, let's have a look
[13:56] <PCMorphy72> about the trims... I think there's something wrong to not report the biography by Mike Watkinson & Pete Anderson, translated in 9 languages and a reference for a decade (I guess many thousands of copies sold) and be removed because the authors have not a wikipedia article about them
[13:58] <+Dragonfly6-7> can you write an article about that biography?
[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> just have a little bit about media coverage -- that is, reviews.
[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> and voila.
[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> as for the list of interviews, I'm really not sure
[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> as for the artwork, please don't include stuff that's only on DeviantArt !
[14:01] <PCMorphy72> I had to do it with many other works... too hard ... about deviantart it's well separated form the "official" published works.. thogh nowadays the differences are hard to find.. and I guess more hard in the forthcoming years
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[14:12] <PCMorphy72> If it was for create an article for just one biography only I would be quite satisfied... thanks for your replies Dragonfly6
[14:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - glad I could help
[14:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> and yes, it's possible to create an article for one biography
[14:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> if it's selling well enough that it's been translated into 9 languages, it's probably reliable
[14:20] <PCMorphy72> Thanks but it doesn't makes sense to have a quite incomplete list... for my purposes
[14:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> what are your purposes
[14:28] <PCMorphy72> to have a "complete" overview of the material regarding syd barrett, with the reliability, authoritative source, and all the qualities of Wikipedia
[14:31] <+Dragonfly6-7> Syd Barrett, Syd Barrett, a very... sad man....
[14:31] <+Dragonfly6-7> I've actually figured out the music here
[14:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> the thing is, you'll eventually hit a point of diminishing returns
[14:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> every mention of Syd Barrett *ever* ?
[14:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - is it reasonable for me to think that you personally have a website with a massive list of Syd Barrett references?
[14:33] <Acalycine> Haha
[14:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> Acalycine - hush
[14:33] * Acalycine spills his coffee
[14:34] <PCMorphy72> The problem is that it's a complex issue, maybe quantitatively speaking I thought would help... No I have not yet Dragonfly, it was my first attempt
[14:35] <+Dragonfly6-7> there are lists where it would be far too easy to clutter them up with loads and loads of self-published stuff
[14:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> we have to impose *some* minimal conditions for inclusion
[14:36] <Acalycine> True
[14:36] <PCMorphy72> In fact I thought at a more serious list

Artists on Wikipedia to add

2003 Los Prisioneros - Concepción [1]

2012 Lawrence Ball - Imaginary Galaxies: Galaxy No. 1 (for the late Syd Barrett)

June 2016 [2][3] Texas Bob Juarez (member of Television Personalities) - And So Through The Dark Forest I Must Go (Song for Syd) - Instrumental dedicated to Syd Barrett and mentioning Syd Barrett lyrics in the title of the album [4]

Artists on AllMusic/Bandcamp/Last.fm/Amazon/iTunes/HYGIY to add

In the Wikipedia article, the inclusion criteria says: All the artists listed have an entry in Wikipedia, with the exception of Flaming Star due to historical reasons.

2006 Dipsomaniacs - Syd Barrett

2007 Chancellorpink - Syd Barrett

2007 Lydia Daher - Songs von Syd Barrett

2008 Jimmy Bear Pearson - Requiem for Syd Barrett – Allegretto

2008 Keller's 10 - Syd Barrett

2009 Alan Bernhoft - Rosey-Toed Computer Man (For Syd Barrett)

2010 Flawed Genius - Lament For Syd Barrett

2010 Grey Lotus - Song For Syd Barrett [5]

2011 Taboo Stu - Syd Barrett Salad

2012 Majeur - Nico and Syd Barrett

2012 Marianne Nowottny & Barry Schwabsky - Biopic (For Artie Gold or Syd Barrett)

2013 Electric Forgiveness - Syd Barrett Blues

Sep 2013 [6] The Rebels of Tijuana [7] Lady Acide [8] Covering Syd Barrett music, with lyrics possibly referencing Syd Barrett [9]

2014 Los Caramelos - Veintidós órbitas - Mentioning Syd Barrett lyrics in the title of the album [10]

Aug 2015 Tedy el Cosmonauta - Etéreo Cerebro - Includes a vocal sample by Syd Barrett [11]