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16:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Lev Vygotsky

(I had put this on Talk:Lev Vygotsky but on your own talk page is more appropriate. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 09:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Hey Palisandria. Let's review how you've handled this situation:

You spotted bias in this article - okay...
You made a bold edit - maybe a bit too bold, but okay...
Your edit was reverted as vandalism - ouch!
You went to the talk page - very good
You explained what you think is wrong with the article - great!
You ended your comment with a vaguely threatening line: I wonder how to inform the Wikipedia admins about this trolling - BAD
You asked for help before the editor in question had even replied - not good

Basically: please try to make a real discussion happen rather than just making accusations and threatening to "inform the admins". If you do the latter, you decrease the probability of a happy ending. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello PJvanMill. Thank you for your response and comments. I am not sure how to ensure at least a neutrality (not speaking about factual truth) of Wikipedia articles, if scholars who try to delete a biased or offensive content are invited to discuss their edits with those who uploaded this content intentionally, with bad intentions. It is much easier to let it go: why bother? Or maybe better mechanisms of monitoring Wikipedia's content are needed. When I made "a bold edit" (i.e. deleted part of the biased content, which was quite obviously meant to present Vygotsky in a very negative light, referring, among other things, to such ridiculous evidence as Google metrics, together with the link to the obscene and offensive Russian site) in Vygotsky article, the user Yasya restored all content I deleted, including the link to the Russian social media site Vygo_bubble focused on the "revision of Vygotsky's legacy". This fact (that the link was restored) already establishes a connection between the user Yasya and the Vygo_bubble. I know Russian, and checking the Vygo_bubble site made me almost sure the user Yasya is running it. That's why, realizing that the Vygotsky article in Wikipedia seems to be under control of an ill-intended person, I included a "vaguely threatening line" referring to the opportunity of addressing Wikipedia admins. Looks like a detective story, but I have no time to investigate its background... At least the content of the article looks more decent without the Vygo_bubble link. Thanks for monitoring the situation. Best regards, Palisandria. Palisandria (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Palisandria. In the end, I was able to convince him to stop editing the article. I think the reason I could convince him is that I did not completely go into the attack, like you kind of did. I always try not to sound angry (I guess my tone with him was more like "not amused"). That way, people are more willing to listen.

Also, I do not think he had bad intentions. I think he wasn't trying to do harm, he just had trouble writing neutrally about a subject that he cares a lot about. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]