User talk:PatrickDion22
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Grammy-winning Celine Dion
[edit]Thank you for your interest in the Celine Dion article. However, I've reverted you edits for reasons that I'll now explain. A few months ago, the article mention that Celine Dion was a "Grammy-winning Canadian artist", until it was removed. Celine Dion has won many awards worldwide. It is, in fact, biased to mention only the Grammys, especially because Celine Dion is Canadian, and her version of the Grammys is the Juno Awards. To really be fair, we should mention every major award she has won. However, since this is pointless, we avoid points like these until the body of the article.
Also, there is the point that winning a Grammy is something Celine Dion has done, but it is not who she is. The first sentence should tell who the person is (name, d.o.b, nationality, occupation etc), the rest tells what she has done and why she is notable.
Lastly, just because something is included in another singer's page, that doesn't mean that it deserves to be in this article. Orane (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- Dude, Celine Dion is a featured article. Some points/styles work fine in other articles of lesser quality. If this article is bogged down with unnecessary edits, it may be demoted. But thats another story.
- The Grammy's are prestigious and internationally known, but so are the Junos, so are the World Music Awards (Celine Dion has 11 world music awards), etc. It doesn't matter. To isolate one award is pointless and biased.
- And as I said, winning a Grammy is an achievement, not an identity. Celine Dion is a Canadian singer, not a "Grammy winnign Canadian singer".
- There is a long discussion on the talk page of the article about Celine Dion and RIAA sales rank. It is very similar to this argument that we are having. I suggest that you read some of the points raised to see where I'm coming from. Orane (talk) 04:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Dude, I can let you know that it's a very bad idea to start an edit war about something like this, in which you care clearly in the wrong. That the Grammy's are "the most prestigious" is whose opinion? Is that a factual statement? Orane (talk) 04:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The Grammy Awards are the oldest music awards ceremomy today. It is the musical equivalent of the Academy Awards and the Emmy Awards. Those are the "big three." The World Music Awards, Billboard Awards, or the Juno Awards do not have the crtical acclaimed aspect that the Grammys have had for over half a century.PatrickDion22 (talk) 05:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- And yet, many people think of the Grammy's as politics, where an artist's popularity influences Grammy voters. Again,if you want to mention that she has won five Grammy Awards, then fine. The lead sentence is not the place for it. If you went up to Celine Dion or anyone else and asked, "Who is Celine", no one would say, "A Grammy-winning Canadian singer". They'd say, "She is a Canadian singer..." Orane (talk) 05:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Editing
[edit]Hi.Please start new topics at the bottom of pages, and not in the middle. Orane (talk) 05:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Mariah Carey
[edit]Please do not call other editors liars as you did on your edit of Mariah Carey. It is not civil and a breach of Wikipedia policies. If you read the cite given it clearly states that Carey was the winner, and doesn't even mention Dion. See here for news article cited. However, later reports from the same source say Dion won. This is in agreement with a second source. Perhaps there was a mistake initially made by the first source, but it no-one can be proven to be lying. So you could have corrected this mistake on the article without casting any accusations. Thanks. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 19:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Please, join the discussion here. Max24(talk) 20:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)