User talk:PaulGranny

Welcome![edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia, PaulGranny! Thank you for your contributions. I am Kerry Raymond and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Kerry (talk) 00:49, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Going strong![edit]

Great to see you getting in and adding content, including providing good sources. Keep it up! Kerry (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Kerry, you made how to do it very clear in your course the other day. I am having to do all the TROVE citations manually as the automatic feature hasn't worked once for me! Hopefully I haven't made any errors. Also I hope I responded to your message in the correct way. PaulGranny (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Paul, the common mistake that many people make is that after you have copied the Wikipedia citation from the Trove article, you use "Cite > Automatic" instead of "Cite > Manual > Basic form" to add it into the Wikipedia article. Did you see the message in red

"We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above."

If so, that is almost certainly the problem. If not, can you tell me the sequence of steps you did. Being able to use the Wikipedia citations provided by Trove is a massive time saver, so it's worth investing a little time to resolve this as it will pay big dividends long term. If it is easier to talk this through, email me your phone number at kerry.raymond@wikimedia.org.au and I will call you and we can talk it through. Kerry (talk) 02:45, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Kerry, that's definitely the mistake I've been making. Also I was wanting to add some photos to an article . They exist in Picture Queensland and so I understand are OK to use but it looks like they haven't been loaded by the Library into wikicommons. What's the right way to load a State Library photo in this circumstance thanks ? (sorry I'll be away for your next course)

Can you give me the Trove entry for one of the photos and then I'll send through the steps to you. Kerry (talk) 05:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am guessing this is the photo in question. If not, it will do for the learning experience.

First, find the Trove entry and check it is out of copyright. Looks OK in this case.

Click on the photo until you get to the "SLQ Digitool Viewer" screen. Click on all the JPG options until you get the highest resolution JPG file on display. Now to download the image to *your* computer, right-click the image and Save As (call it anything you like, but must have the .JPG on the end of the filename, you may have to set the "Save as Type" to be ALL files.

Next, in a new brower tab, go to commons.wikimedia.org and login in if needed (if you are currently logged into Wikipedia, you will automatically be logged in to Commons - same username/password). Click on Upload (blue button toward top right) or Upload File from left-hand tool bar menu (they do the same thing).

Click on "Select media file to share" and then browse the folders on your computer to wherever you saved the photo, choosing the one you want and then click Open. Sit and wait some seconds while it is uploaded to Commons. When it's done, it will offer you a Continue button, click Continue.

Next screen asks if the photo is your work (i.e. you took it) or someone else's. Click on "this is not my own work" and Next.

It now wants the source of the photo. Go back to the browser tab where you downloaded the photo and use BACK in your Browser (many times!) to get back to the Trove catalogue entry. Look for the Cite This button and then click it and copy the Wikipedia format citation. Paste in the "Source" box on the Commons tab.

Next question. Who is the author of the photo? Look at the author in the source you just copied over. Write that answer down, Unidentified, in this case. But if it had said Fred Bloggs, you write Fred Bloggs. Now the licensing question - many choices but only one of them is correct. Choose "Another reason not mentioned above" and you will be offered a text box. In that you write

Learn this, you will use it all the time and it must be exactly as I show it above (curly brackets and upper and lower case exactly as I did). It is a recognised shorthand for "public domain in Australia" (meaning not copyright). Ignore the PREVIEW button (unless you enjoy legalese) and click NEXT to the next screen.

Title. This is what the *unique* filename will be on Wikipedia. It should be descriptive (but no .JPG on the end), e.g.

Dr Alfred Jefferis Turner

(I think "Portrait of" is somewhat redundant!)

Description. Generally I just copy the title, but if I can, I add a little more, e.g.

Dr Alfred Jefferis Turner, 1861-1947, paediatrician and entomologist

Date. Look back at the Trove entry. Oops, there is no date for the photo in the Trove entry. So what to do? In this case, we know he died in 1947 so the photo must have been taken before his death in 1947, so click on the "pencil" symbol for a "free text box" (you only use the calendar symbol if you know the exact day/month/year, otherwise use the pencil) and in the box write "before his death in 1947". If we didn't know his death, we do know that SLQ said it was out of copyright so just write "before 1955" (as it must be before then or SLQ would say it was in copyright).

Categories. OK, I have not taught you anything about Categories. Just write "People of Queensland" and then hit enter (it's not great but it will suffice for the moment).

Ignore add location. If it was a photo from a particular place, you would try to say where it was taken but we don't know in this case.

Click Next. You may get a warning (if so take the option to Proceed) and you are done. Or you may get an error, in which case you need to fix it. If you can't figure it out, let me know.

Now, go to your Wikipedia article and use Insert Media to retrieve the photo from Commons (sometimes it may take a minute for the photo to become available on Wikipedia but usually it is immediately available. If it does not turn up with the default key words, type in the title (or part thereof) that you gave the photo in Commons.

Sorry, this is long and complicated, but it is long and complicated. The slides that I hope were sent to you do cover uploading of photos to Commons so if you look at that last half dozens slides you will see some of this information there but with screen shots (note that I cover uploading your own photos first and then out-of-copyright ones). Good luck! Kerry (talk) 06:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks so much Kerry, you really are very kind to write me such comprehensive instructions. I'll have a go as soon as I get a chance.

I see you had success with uploading photos and adding them to the article! I did a couple of things that I realise you don't yet know how to do. I added the portrait into the infobox. I also set up a category on Wikimedia Commons for Alfred Jefferis Turner. So if you upload any other photos of him, just use his name as the Category. While I am away, if you need any help, can I suggest asking @Shiftchange: who is another local editor who is also involved with training new people. To talk to him, go to his user talk page and write on it just as you do your own here. I am sure Shiftchange will be happy to help and he is very experienced on both Wikipedia and Commons. Kerry (talk) 08:04, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much Kerry. I've also discovered that the Wiki world is quite small. I found that the Swedish language version of the Jefferis Turner article cites a post from one of my blogs!

And I find it remarkable that Swedes have an article on Alfred Jefferis Turner. I never knew of him until I saw you working on his article! :-) I learn new things on Wikipedia every day. Kerry (talk) 08:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]