User talk:Penperson

The page entry on "communication" has had substantial discussion over the years but with no real clarity emerging. It is both disorganized and lacks verification. But, most importantly the definition of communication is presented as a universally agreed upon definition when in fact it reflects only one of the seven different theoretical traditions in the field (see the Outline of communication page) . One way of coping with the gross misrepresentation is to actually change the title from "Communication" to "Communication-as-transmission", along with the introductory para. Is this acceptable? Penperson (talk) 03:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Penperson (talk) 03:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Penperson and welcome to Wikipedia. I assume you are referring to the communication article? For future reference you can link in Wikipedia by putting square brackets round something so this: [[communication]] becomes: communication.

In answer to your question, I'm no communication expert so I can't answer for sure but we have a policy on wikipedia called Be Bold which states that if you think something needs done, do it! However, make sure to take a read over reliable sources, verifiability and no original research as you consider the changes you wish to make. Any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page - Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 08:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Help request

Why can't I see what the page will look like when I select page Preview? I have worked through the editing tutorial and have entered many different examples into the sandboxes. However, I never see the finished appearance of the material; simply the text and the mark-ups. For example, I have entered the following text (that I believe to be properly marked up) in the tutorial sandbox and when I select Preview it looks exactly as it appears below. Why hasn't the formatting happened and the references entered into the list?

‘’’Communication’’’ is a phenomenon that we think we can easily recognize. However, there is no universal agreement or single definition of what it is exactly. . The meanings and definitions of communication vary as a function of academic discipline and their various schools of thought, theories and approaches.. ==References==.

Penperson (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you clicking "Show preview" or "Show changes"? Because what you are describing sounds like you are clicking show changes. -- Patchy1 REF THIS BLP 03:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I am definitely clicking Show Preview. But what is interesting, is that when I entered the above example text, in the previous help-me request the reference mark-up worked properly but the text formatting (bold, headers etc) did not. What difference is there between ticking "this is a minor edit" and "watch this page"? \Penperson (talk) 03:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with your preview - the header doesn't work because the == code will only work at the start of a new line, and the bolding doesn't work because you're using acutes and graves instead of inverted commas (you've written ‘’’Communication’’’ above, instead of '''Communication'''). Check out the cheatsheet and the guide to markup for more info. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Forgot to actually answer the question... Ticking "minor edit" marks the edit in the page history as minor - that is to say, an unimportant change to spelling, formatting, punctuation or similar that does not discernably alter the meaning of the content (see WP:MINOR). "Watch this page" add the page to your watchlist, allowing you to monitor any future edits to that article (see WP:WATCHLIST). Yunshui 雲‍水 10:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The help given above has been great. I can now create text and add citations, etc. Now I want to edit the page communication. In particular I want to change the definition in the first two paragraphs before the Contents entry and provide ample citations to back it up. However, I am unable to access any edit facility for that very first part of the page. Is it out of bounds to me? Always? Penperson (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

The page is not protected in any way, which means that anyone (including non-registered users) can edit the page. Just click on the edit button at the top-right corner and then make your changes (you already know what minor edits are and as you want to alter the definition, you should not mark it as a minor edit). What's preferable over just editing the page is discussing the matter on its talk page (here). You can create a new section there regarding what you want to change and then other people interested in the article can discuss the matter. Also check if the matter is already being discussed.

However, if you're not able to edit the main page itself, please be more specific about your problem. — smtchahal 07:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Corrected a grammatical error... — smtchahal 07:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Communication

Hi Penperson, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have reverted your edit to Communication. Phrasing such as "we put our thoughts and ideas into messages" is very textbook-like and "unencyclopedic". Furthermore, your sentence "this understanding of communication falls within the cybernetic tradition" is impossible to understand for the ordinary reader who doesn't know what the cybernetic tradition is. The same goes for the "transmission model". Please read WP:MOSINTRO! With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 09:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Penperson. You have new messages at Talk:Communication.
Message added 08:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Lova Falk talk 08:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)