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Qingbai ware

Are you sure those two statues are Qingbai ware? I agree they look like it, but the descriptions are useless, and they are not categorized as it. Johnbod (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Johnbod. I assumed they were, given how they look. Although you're right that the image descriptions don't say so explicitly, just calling them "porcelain", which is rather vague. Do you think they should be removed? Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:29, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't know - there were of course other porcelains at the time but the tint looks like Qingbai. It ought to be possible to find out if the Beijing piece is. The other looks like it has just been dug up- or made. Johnbod (talk) 00:36, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey again Johnbod. This page at Pinterest says it is a Qingbai glazed statue, although Pinterest isn't exactly a trustworthy source. Pericles of Athens^Talk 01:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Johnbod: I found a CCTV documentary on Youtube saying it was produced at Jingdezhen along with other white or "pale jade" porcelain pieces that were exported around the world. In other words: Qingbai wares. Pericles of Athens^Talk 01:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Let's give the other one the benefit of the doubt for now. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm copying this to the article talk to preserve it. But while I'm fine with the Palace Museum one, I get more & more dubious about the other, & am likely to remove it, I think. Johnbod (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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When s a Macedonian army not a Macedonian army?

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There is a separate article, Hellenistic armies, that covers the Diadochi-period armies. How this arose, I'm uncertain of. It does make some sense, however, as the Macedonian army of Philip and Alexander was very unlike contemporary Hellenic armies, and it was hugely successful. In contrast, he armies of the Diadochi were all very similar to each other, with some minor distinctions like the use of elephants. To treat the military of the Macedonian kingdom as a continuum, from Philip II to Perseus, would probably be misleading as all the successor states claimed a direct inheritance from the state of Alexander, and the brief metamorphosis of Macedon into a huge multi-ethnic empire is an effective political and military hiatus. This hiatus is significant enough to separate the military history of the Kingdom of Macedonia into two unequal halves. Perhaps the title of the article would be more precisely worded as "Macedonian army of Philip II and Alexander the Great", but this is too pedantic. The general reader looking for the army of ancient Macedon would be looking for that of Alexander, primarily, and those wishing to trace the later history of the Macedonian military are given pointers (links) within the article. Urselius (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I have added mutual links and disambiguation headings to both "Ancient Macedonian army" and "Antigonid Macedonian army". Hopefully, readers will now find it a little easier to navigate and understand the relationship between the two. Urselius (talk) 13:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Italians

Stop vandalizing the italian and roman articles, if you are going to make an edit provide evidence and not just assumptions. The image has been considered to be a depection of Galla Placidia for a long time, even if it has been doubted, just like almost everything in antiquity. The letters on the image of the Croce dei desideri are in Greek, this is from articles in italian you can find all around the web.

Don't accuse me of vandalism when it is you who is going against scholarly consensus. Clearly you haven't done any research into the topic of the Brescia medallion. I will be reverting your edits with full citations shortly, from a number of old and recent sources. Basically, your 18th-century theory has been long overturned, yet you still cling to it somehow. You should also back up your assertions with SOURCES. Reliable ones at that. Pericles of Athens^Talk 22:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

One book is not scholarly consensus. everything on the subject says it has been doubted. Due to the fact that it has been I suggest you remove this.

This is from the museum of Brescia where the cross is http://www.bresciamusei.com/nsantagiulia.asp?nm=14&t=Croce The relevant section reads: "una donna aristocratica attorniata dai due figli, che l’interpretazione leggendaria identifica in Galla Placidia ovvero nella regina Ansa, fondatrice di Santa Giulia, con i figli Adelchi e Anselperga. Suggestive le ipotesi formulate attorno all’iscrizione in greco rintracciabile nella decorazione, BOYNNEPI KEPAMI, ritenuta inizialmente la firma dell’autore, ma secondo studi più recenti riconducibile al nome del pater familias del nucleo ritratto." "An aristocratic woman flanked by her children, the legendary interpretation identifies as Galla Placidia...or the Queen Ansa, founder of Santa Giulia, with her two children Adelchi and Anselperga. The greek inscription found in the decoration, BOYNNEPI KEPAMI, was first considered the signature of the author, but after additional recent studies it has been it is probablythe name of the pater familias of the family nucleus portrayed." Walnut77 (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

LOL! Thank you for proving my point! It specfically says the "legendary" interpretation there, and says nothing about scholarly consensus. Meanwhile, I have sources sucha s Beckwith (1979), Boardman (1993), Grig (2004), and others who all support the theory that it simply represents an Egyptian family in Roman Egypt. Even the Greek inscription "ΒΟΥΝΝΕΡΙ ΚΕΡΑΜΙ" proves that it is from Egypt since it uses a Greek dialect of Egypt (see Breck 1927: 353). You have no legs to stand on in this argument. Pericles of Athens^Talk 22:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I think the Brescia Museum, the museum that houses the cross is a pretty strong leg to stand on. I suggest you edit the caption to what it has been considred to be. You have not proven consensus on this. The museum itself proves you wrong! Walnut77 (talk) 23:06, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

You don't understand what the museum is saying. No one has thought the family were anything to do with either Galla Placidia or Queen Ansa for over a century. The museum describes the glass as "del III secolo d.C.", ie 200-300 AD. Galla Placidia is a 5th century person, born in 388 AD. Ansa, Queen of the Lombards is from the 8th century. If BOYNNEPI KEPAMI relates to a paterfamilias, that has no connection with either of them. You have absolutely no references on your side, and are just making a fool of yourself. Johnbod (talk) 14:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

I understand perfectly what the museum says. I speak Italian, maybe you should learn it. It says exactly that. It's traditionally identified as these two people. If you need clarification you can ask the museum directly, they are the ones that wrote this. The second part which talks about the inscription in greek, says there are "hypotheses", it has initially been considered to be the signature of the author of the medallion, which is exactly what most sources suggest and how this has been interpreted for most of its existence, one of the authors you mention notes this as well, here it says the inscription in Alexandrian Greek is commonly found in these medallions http://sro.sussex.ac.uk/6351/1/Howells,_Daniel_Thomas.pdf: "Although not present on the British Museum piece, short inscriptions do sometimes occur in association with portraits on genuine brushed technique medallions. In instances where they have been recorded, they are exclusively produced in Greek inthe Alexandrian dialect of Egypt (Crum, in Breck 1926/1927, p. 353). These inscriptions sometimes take the form of prominent assertions of skill or virtue (e.g. Glass of the Caesars1987, no. 153). However, shorter less prominent inscriptions are apparently more common. The inscription BOYNNEPI KEPAMI on the Brescia medallion depicting an adult female and two youths, possibly a mother and her two children, was interpreted by Albizzati as referring to the ‘father of the family’, who, it should be noted, is missing from the scene (Albizzati 1914, p. 253). Morey, however, states that the small inscription is the signature of the artist, and that KEPAMI, or ‘potter’, may just as well denote a glass-worker(Morey 1942, p. 216; Glass of the Caesars 1987, p. 265). " Clearly, these academics are exposing possible theories so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that this has been completely disproved by all academia when they are simply theories, also if it was so proven, then the museum would have clearly mentioned your theory as truth, which it doesn't. The change I made to the caption shows these two sides so I think you should revert it. Walnut77 (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Walnut77: and why on earth would Ansa, Queen of the Lombards have a medallion made in the 8th century using an Alexandrian Greek dialect from the 3rd century? Do you not see how incongruent that is? Besides, Johnbod makes an even better point than I did, by relating how your own source, the Brescia Museum webpage on the medallion, specifically dates this artwork to around the 3rd century AD! Neither Galla Placidia nor Ansa were alive then; the medallion predates them significantly according to your own source (to say nothing of the sheer litany of scholarly sources that have deduced that this gold glass artefact is Egyptian in origin). And if you speak Italian, surely you understand the phrase "pater familias". Why not mention that when citing your source? Are you deliberately misrepresenting your source by omitting these assertions from the Brescia Museum page? All you're doing is repeating the claim that your source specifically calls a "legendary" one (i.e. a popular belief outside the realm of scientific inquiry). Pericles of Athens^Talk 18:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Sogdia

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The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Sogdia has been completed.

I have not done work on the citation formats as I believe that there has to be consensus (how one does this I have no idea!) before they are changed and this does not fall under the purview of the GOCE. At a quick glance the issue seems to be repetitive complete citations for various pages from a single text. Citation #6 is "correct" while #s 78-82 are "incorrect". If I were you, I would just go ahead and fix them since you've done the lion's share of the work over the past few months. This may help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#WP:CITESHORT

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

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Precious anniversary

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Thank you for today's Sino-Roman relations "about the largely indirect relations between the Roman Empire (and its medieval incarnation, the Eastern Roman Empire) and the Han dynasty of China, followed by relations with subsequent Chinese dynasties. It contains information about ancient authors from both the Roman and Han Chinese realms and in some cases their attempts to understand the geography, history, culture, society, and governments of the respective empires on opposite ends of the Eurasian continent. The major focus, however, is on the poorly understood diplomatic missions that occurred between these two empires, as well as the trade activity that occurred between them via the Indian Ocean."! Impressive! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Capitoline Museum's Mars ("Pyrrhus")

The current Museo page describes it as a likely 2nd century copy! Of an Augustan original! Based on a much, much earlier work! Great. Have a gander... [1] Haploidavey (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Museum captions, eh? Just read through your debating on a certain other museum's caption. Hair-raising stuff. Haploidavey (talk) 12:46, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Salve, Senator Haploidavey! Thanks for pointing that out about the Mars statue from the Forum of Nerva. Before you alerted me about this, I had just discovered the Capitoline museum page for it. I was planning on editing the Mars (mythology) article accordingly. Feel free to do so yourself, though! Just make sure to cite the museum page so nobody tries to revert you, thinking that you're just making this stuff up for kicks and wry amusement! Lol. Pericles of Athens^Talk 12:57, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Legendary stuff at Commons, ahoy. Yeee-har! Haploidavey (talk) 13:14, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Looking for gaps in knowledge

Hi there Pericles. Sports history in the American south is more the kind of thing where I know enough to add to an encyclopedia, though I'd own several more books on Ancient Greek philosophy and art/archaeology. Did a little to clean up and expand both Miltiades the Younger and Minoan Civilization, and to combine the two areas of wikipedia-interest I had to make Aristonicus of Carystus. Any areas which could use help from a dilettante? Cheers. Cake (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi User:MisterCake! Excellent work thus far; I felt compelled to send a thank you for creating the article Aristonicus of Carystus. Unfortunately, my area of expertise does not lie in ancient Greco-Roman sports, even if I've exhibited an interest in that topic in the past. If I see something about this topic in need of attention, I'll be sure to address it. I'm afraid the best I could do, without a bunch of academic sources at hand, would be to help out by finding useful images at Wikimedia Commons. Cheers and all the best. Pericles of Athens^Talk 19:58, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

• I saw despite the name you have a wealth of interest in Egypt and the East, but still felt compelled to ask. I do not mean to ask only about ancient Greek athletics. If ancient Greek music, mathematics, philosophy, pottery, sculpture, painting, etc. could use help from a non-scholar, I would like to help, but was hoping one more familiar with it could say what (if any) needs it the most. For sports, the recent success of Michael Phelps in the Olympics saw an increased interest in Leonidas of Rhodes. Only then did I notice wikipedia did not have the second-greatest ancient olympian in the navbox, a trumpeter. Cake (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

A Greek glass amphora, 2nd half of the 2nd century BC, from Olbia, Roman-era Sardinia, now in the Altes Museum

That's a very good question, Cake. Lately I've been obsessing over Greek and Roman sculptures and frescos, finding appropriate articles for such images. I've greatly expanded the imagery in Roman sculpture and Hellenistic art, for instance. I've been devoting most of my time lately to improving the articles for Europeans in Medieval China, Sino-Roman relations, and Sogdia, all of which I've recently nominated for GA status. If I had to really name an article that I thought could use a bit more attention (as a result of my research into these greater topics), it would probably be something like Theophylact Simocatta or even Geography (Ptolemy). I was shocked at how cursory the historical information in Religion in Germany looked and provided those first two sub-sections that you see now about the earliest periods. The same goes for History of Germany and its almost complete lack of information on the Roman period there, which I've remedied somewhat. Pericles of Athens^Talk 20:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

If only for which side piques my interest I tend to separate the Greek and Roman like Winckelmann or Spengler. For my taste, give me Aristotle (or Alexander really, or Demosthenes to be fancy) and before. Not quite at Nietzsche's level where I only appreciate the pre-Socratics, but try to feel his enthusiasm for them. As for Hellenistic art, I would think Laocoön - which I've never heard pronounced, is the image to go with at the top. The Apollo Belvedere of late antiquity (boo hiss) for the interest it drew. Surely the Venus de Milo has even more captured the popular imagination than the Nike of Samothrace (nigh key of s-ammo thrace? oh, no, knee kay of s-ammo thraw key). In short, I would rank them as the article's text does, despite the dress of Nike being more pleasing to my taste than any of the above. Cake (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

The trouble is that Laocoön is almost certainly made some 200 years after the end of Hellenistic art proper, and done for a Roman patron. Johnbod (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. As a compromise in Hellenistic art, I've made a double image in the lead that includes both the Winged Victory of Samothrace and the Venus de Milo. Fans of both shall now be satiated. In the gallery section, I've also added this lovely glass amphora which you can see to the right. Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:33, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I see. Very neat. I am ashamed to say I only recently understood that the slip was used as paint. So is it Lau-co-on, rhymes with Now go on? The umlaut telling me I have to sound the a and o together but the last two vowels separately? Cake (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

That's how I thought it was pronounced, at least. ;) Two great minds think alike! Pericles of Athens^Talk 22:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

A pity the Berlin Painter doesn't have an image of the kithara player around the time of Marathon, in the Met. Cake (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

This one. It's the focus of the room it's in, as it should be. Love all the movement/curves/diagonals. Cake (talk) 21:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Cake: Yep, definitely the pinnacle of late Archaic period ceramic art. For lack of a better word, it's a classic. Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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@Iazyges: awesome! Thanks for giving it your attention. I had a guild of copyeditors guy give it a run-through, so it should be fairly polished by now. I'm sure you'll find things needing to be corrected, though! I can't wait for your input. Cheers. Pericles of Athens^Talk 22:42, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Roman war elephants

Hey, its me (again again), I noticed you have done some work on War elephants, I am planning to at some point split off the roman section into its own article and expand it, would you be interested in helping? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Iazyges: I'm interested in the topic, yet unfortunately I don't know enough about war elephants to really contribute to an entirely new article for Roman war elephants. I'm afraid that I don't have any sources that specifically cover this topic, either. Best of luck, though! At the least I'll try to find some images at Commons that could be useful for you. Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Awesome! Thanks for the review, Iazyges! Pericles of Athens^Talk 02:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you very much for improving Sogdia and bringing it to GA status! Well done! Sogdians were almost forgotten in history of Greater Iran, but you revived them, much appreciated! Kouhi (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Kouhi (it was the least I could do for the Sogdians). Thanks for the barnstar! Pericles of Athens^Talk 19:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Dahuting Tomb murals

Hi!

First of all, I think I remember you sending me your email address some time ago???? But I can't find it. If so, would you mind sending it to me again at: wynhill2@bigpond.net.au ? It would help me if I want to put you in touch with people who might not want their particulars made public here.

I just wrote to friend (a renowned professor of Chinese Language and Literature) who is very interested in the photos you posted and I asked him what he thought about the photo showing the woman holding the glass(?) vessel. Here is the brief preliminary note I just received back from him:

"Dear John,

These are wonderful! May I share them through the Xi circulars and with a few other specialist colleagues?

I have an idea about the vessel in the second photo and also something very exciting about one of the other photos.

Will get back to you on this after I check some things.

best, . . . ."

Please let me know if you are happy for him to use any of the photos this way. Also, is there any way of obtaining higher resolution copies?

I will certainly let you know what he says when he writes.

So, thanks so much again - look forward to hearing from you when you can spare the time. Cheers! John Hill (talk) 23:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

A follow up

Hi again!

I had just saved the above and checked my mail again to find another note from my friend. Here is what he writes:

"Dear John,

At this stage I don't need higher resolution photographs.

I am very grateful for the opportunity to share these wonderful images with colleagues.

Will get back to you as soon as I can about what I think may be a very significant discovery based on these images.

best, . . . "

He sure has me fascinated now! Will let you know the next installment when it comes in. Take care John Hill (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Europeans in Medieval China

Would you like me to review Europeans in Medieval China? If so I'll do it tomorrow, as i'm going to sleep soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:36, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Iazyges: I was actually hoping a Wikipedia guild-of-copyeditors guy would do a sweep of that article first, like they did for Sogdia before you reviewed it. Perhaps we should wait on that until one of their team members thoroughly copyedits that article (as I've requested via the article's talk page). Cheers. Pericles of Athens^Talk 03:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey, it looks like you've done some serious work on it, [2], are you still waiting for the GOCE guys or do you think its good to go? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply for "Western Han tomb frescos from Xi'an"

I'm very glad that you enjoy them, I'll keep uploading whenever I discover more. I've seen the link that you shared with Tahut'ing murals, it's very nice. I'm going to upload more pictures of the wonderful motifs from there. Actually I'm a beginner on Wikipedia, I saw you've already done a number of great works here, really appreciate it! By the way, Sogdians are very interesting, they are like a bridge between East and West, really curious. Uriel Wang^Talk 21:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Dahuting murals

Just to let you know that your good work hasn't been forgotten. I am still working on the Dahuting murals - and so are a number of other people - but mostly through a flurry of emails. Much of it is by specialists in early Chinese history some of whom are not used to working on Wikipedia. Also, I have found some higher resolution photos by Prof. Gary Lee Todd on Flickr that should help people interpret some of the interesting details in the murals. He has posted more than 137,000 photos(!!!) on Flickr - many of them on Asian subjects - and many of them truly outstanding. And because they are on Flikr, I believe they should all be able to be uploaded to WP. Do you know if this is so? He is a professor living in China. You can find his photos of the Dahuting murals (along with some by other people) by checking this page: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=Dahuting but, it seems you have to be log into Flikr first. I don't want to try to deal with the many speculations by other people about the murals on Wikipedia - I don't think it is the place for it - but would be happy to discuss some of them with you by email. If you would like to do this, please do email me at: wynhill2@bigpond.net.au Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you so very much once again for bringing these fascinating murals to my attention. It has begun a wonderful exchange of ideas which I hope will lead to new discoveries. All best wishes, John Hill (talk) 20:37, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Blondes

What do you think is the hair color for the Ludovisi Gaul? In some images it looks lighter than others. Cake (talk) 10:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Cake: the figures of the Ludovisi Gaul group are most certainly blonds, both the man and his wife (not much of a surprise, they're Galatians after all). The pigments are still very clear in my opinion. It's hardly the only Roman statue with that particular hue of blond either. Take for instance several statues of Hadrian's partner Antinous, the Crimean client king Tiberius Julius Sauromates II, or various polychrome marble statues depicting Bacchus/Dionysos. Lucius Verus and Commodus were depicted with similar blond hair in their surviving polychrome statues because, according to Roman historians, they were natural blonds. Pericles of Athens^Talk 10:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Interesting - thought they looked awfully blond in Pedley's book. From now will think of the Dying Gaul as a cross between Alexander and Burt Reynolds. I wonder how to reconcile the date of the paintings at Vergina or the Derveni Krater with the dates deemed "Hellenistic". Cake (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge

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Vase painting

Mind if I list sources here I found helpful? Perhaps you can better sort their claims between pottery and painting.

Attic Vase Painting during the Persian Wars by T. B. L. Webster

Douris and the Painters of Greek Vases by Edmond Pottier

Why did Athenian Pots Appeal to the Etruscans by Robin Osborne

I don't see J. V. Noble's Techniques of Painted Attic Pottery anywhere online. Cake (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Cake: I don't mind at all! Please do. Unfortunately I can't do anything about this today, but I can certainly help you with these in the very near future. Cheers. Pericles of Athens^Talk 13:12, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Take your time. Pottier seems a fan of Damon. I guess it's Dahmon like Dominoes? Would say daimon if Socrates did not use that all the time. Cake (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Yuezhi=Massagetae

Hello,

I have posted on the talk page of article Yuezhi some arguments why I think that Yuezhi are the same people as Massagetae and my opinion that this information should be on the article. Can you review them and what is your opinion? Thank you. --Sabir Hun (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Iazyges

@PericlesofAthens: Hello again friend, how have you been? I have recently performed a massive restructuring of my namesake article, Iazyges, a tribe of Sarmatians. You've got experience with GA so I thought I would ask you, what do you think I would need to do/add for it to be GA material? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:33, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Iazyges: Oh, you know, all the obvious stuff. You need citations for statements that do not yet have citations, like in the name section. You also have sections for the 4th and 5th centuries that don't have any text. Perhaps you should hide those sections until you flesh them out. Or perhaps you should wait on nominating it for GA status until those sections are completed fully with citations. Pericles of Athens^Talk 23:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Sino-Roman relations

First, this article is an extremely fascinating one, and I'd like to help improve it. But I'm not sure how to comply with WP:LEADSENTENCE. This article has unclear boundaries so I’m puzzled what exactly the precise topic is, and what is an example of an RS that discusses it, exactly. ‘Through the Jade Gate’ deals with Han-Roman relations exclusively and is self published and doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by academics. None of McLaughlin’s books has this precise topic. Henry Yule and Hirth are over a century old. McLaughlin even sadly notes the lack of academic attention to this niche here. This isn’t to say that these aren’t great, first class scholarly books and this isn’t an utterly fascinating topic that has been neglected. NPalgan2 (talk) 11:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

NPalgan2: I've rewritten the very first sentence just in case the scope of the article wasn't exactly clear from reading the lead section as a whole. Various articles and books about either Rome or China mention their relations in passing, but as for specific works that focus solely on this subject in addition to Hirth and Yule, I have also cited Bang (2009), Christopoulos (2012), Dubs (1941), Hill (2003), McLaughlin (2010), Pulleyblank (1999), Scheidel (2009), and Thorley (1971). Again, that doesn't even account for the various other works I've cited that treat this topic at some length in larger works focusing primarily on a related topic. For instance, Warwick Ball (2016) provides an excellent assessment of Sino-Roman trade relations, even though his book focuses on the grander, more general topic of Roman relations with Eastern powers spanning from India to Persia. What exactly are you trying to suggest, though? That the article shouldn't exist? I'm trying to wrap my head around your exact intentions here and I don't know precisely what you're trying to suggest, aside from rewriting the introductory sentence. Pericles of Athens^Talk 17:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays...

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		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Johnbod: Thank you kindly, good sir! And happy holidays to you as well. Try not to drink too much alcoholic eggnog. :D Best wishes! Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sino-Roman relations

The article Sino-Roman relations you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sino-Roman relations for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 14:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

That was well done! And may you have a happy new year. Haploidavey (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Haploidavey: thank you and a Happy New Year to you as well! All the best, Pericles of Athens^Talk 14:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Europeans in Medieval China

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Pinging

Hi! I saw you tried to "ping" me and some other editors at Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom). That "ping" did not work, because the [[User:Xxx]] has to be saved in the same edit as you are signing the post. If you want to make a "ping" as an afterthought, like you did, you will have to make a new signature. Regards! --T*U (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Europeans in Medieval China

The article Europeans in Medieval China you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Europeans in Medieval China for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of 10W40 -- 10W40 (talk) 05:02, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

I have an article of my own up for GA nomination now: Encyclopedism. 10W40 (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@10W40 (talk): excellent work! It looks very well written. I like the use of imagery as well. I wish you all the best in getting it passed. Cheers. Pericles of Athens^Talk 15:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Regions of ancient Greece

Hi Pericles of Athens! I would be very pleased if you could help me with the clean up of the article 'Regions of ancient Greece' and my attempt to make it a good and easily-readable article in the wiki. If you can please let me know. Thank you! NickTheRipper (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nick. I'm sorry to say that I can't commit to anything big, partially because my sights are currently set on improving Macedonia (ancient kingdom), but mostly because I have a woeful knowledge about ancient Greek geography, let alone the key secondary sources to consult on the matter. Fleshing out the article you have here also looks like a daunting task given all the sub-sections that do not yet have any text. More importantly, it's bad enough what I'm doing with the Macedonia article. I shouldn't even be editing Wikipedia anymore, given the responsibilities I have in my personal life! Lol. I wish you all the best and hopefully, if I have time, I'll make a few edits to the article. Pericles of Athens^Talk 21:26, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok dude, I knew you had a great task improving Kindom of Macedonia article so I wish you the best! NickTheRipper (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)