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What exactly happened with the Birds

Heya Peter, I wanted to ask what exactly happened with the birds. We had a good 2 month discussion but I look on the Aves page and it is a cut down taxobox. Cut down way more than I expected based on the discussions. I know that it was a long and difficult discussion, but my impression was that we achieved more than is apparent on the Taxobox as it currently appears. So what was the issue? Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) ^talk 07:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I should have asked this of Plantdrew also so pinging them here sorry about that. Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) ^talk 07:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Faendalimas: I was only interested in the technical aspects of how the taxonomy templates were set up, because I was involved in setting up the 'old' system. My understanding is that Jts1882 implemented whatever was decided in the discussions, which I stopped following. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I set up the templates for the Therapoda-Archosauria-Sauropsida proposal I made, but didn't implement it. Later the discussion was closed (improperly in my opinion) and someone else implemented the templates with the addition of Dinosauria with always display on. Iirc, I removed the always display because it was putting Dinosauria in all the bird taxoboxes (not what was being discussed) but left the sequence as set up, which essentially added Therapoda, Dinosauria and Archosauria to what was there before. I may be missing something, as I don't see a "cut down taxobox". —  Jts1882 | talk  09:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jts1882: ah, right. As you had worked on them earlier, I thought you had implemented the current system. Like you, I don't see a "cut down taxobox" at Aves; in fact there are more clades visible than I think is sensible. Certainly there is no consensus for Dinosauria to be shown in every bird taxobox. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry by cut down I meant cut down from what seemed to have some support in the discussion, not the taxobox itself, bad wording on my part. I agree the discussion was not closed well. It needed to clarify at the end what was and what was not agreed to and maybe get some further opinions. I also agree Dinosauria was not supported by consensus at least not to the point of implimenting it. I felt Therapoda was though. Its a tough discussion and always has been. Thanks for the answers it was a bit confusing, also seems a bit of a pity. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) ^talk 11:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Template transclusion depth

I don't know if you've seen this but the limit for template transclusion has been increased from 40 to 100. That allows a depth of 50 in cladograms (more than practical for the page width). Were there any remaining depth issues with the autotaxobox module or did Lua solved them all? —  Jts1882 | talk  11:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jts1882: I hadn't seen this, so thanks. All the depth issues were solved by implementing the recursive processing of the taxonomy templates in Lua. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge pages

Peter please merge the history of Escobaria robbinsiorum to Pelecyphora robbinsiorum. I missed the page while editing and instead of moving the page I accidentally created Pelecyphora robbinsiorum Thanks--Cs california (talk) 08:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, you need an admin to merge histories – not something I can do.

You can do the same things I would do in such a case:

• When all the relevant material has been copied over, make the old page a redirect, with {{R with history}} added.
• Add the {{Merged-to}} and {{Merged-from}} templates to the appropriate talk pages.

Peter coxhead (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

High-use taxonomy templates

I found ~330 taxonomy templates deserving of a {{high-use}} tag (max ~500k transclusions, median ~9k), but I see that tagged taxonomy templates are in the minority (there are ~50 tagged templates out of a possible ~380). I'm wondering if this is intentional (to keep them low-ish profile), or if they should be tagged (i.e. with a noinclude-wrapped {{high-use}} at the top)?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tom.Reding: such tagging isn't something I've done, but I don't think there's any reason not to, so I would go ahead if you want to. (The various error-tracking categories do a pretty good job for taxoboxes and taxonomy templates, so vandalism or incorrect edits don't usually last long.) Peter coxhead (talk) 13:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Please remove "Black Man's Willy" from Rhodochiton article

Hello Peter. Please consider removing "Black Man's Willy" from the Rhodochiton article. There is a difference between "censorship" and "refraining from planting a hurtful seed". Somebody invented the racist phrase and thought it was funny. But countless others of us find that it is hurtful and does not merit dissemination in a botany article. Thank you. Yuezrnaem (talk) 16:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I find the term highly offensive too, and I would certainly never use it. However, it has a reliable source. So the question is whether there is a policy that allows its removal. My understanding is that there is not, so if I or anyone else removes it, another editor is justified in reverting.

(There are other plants that have names that have always been or are now understood to be offensive, e.g. Carpobrotus edulis, Coleus esculentus and many more, Xanthorrhoea (see under Taxonomy), etc. In some cases there's a redirect at the offensive name but it's not mentioned in the article, so therefore it isn't explained that it's offensive, which seems to me not helpful.) Peter coxhead (talk) 07:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Botanical author abbreviations

Hello, I have noticed that you have removed my entries on many articles of List of botanists by author abbreviation and claimed them as unsourced. However, I have found two sources that provide otherwise; #1 and #2. If they are deemed trustworthy, I would like for you to review them. Thank you! 2003LN6 07:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@2003LN6: no, I didn't claim that they were unsourced as authors of botanical taxa, but that they do not appear in either of the two databases, IPNI and Index Fungorum. The names I removed do not have standard author abbreviations right now. The "List of botanists by author abbreviation" articles list authors by their standard author abbreviation and these can only be defined by the two official lists. If someone has authored a new taxon that falls under the the two official lists, but isn't in them, the right course of action is to contact whichever of IPNI or Index Fungorum applies and ask for the information to be added. When the authors are, then they can be added to the relevant list here.

If you look up in IPNI the individuals listed in the WoRMS reference, namely A.H.Hasan, P.Van der Aa, F.C.Küpper, D.Al-Bader and A.F.Peters, only "A.F.Peters" is present, and the taxon Kuwaitiella is not. It does take IPNI some time to process newly named taxa and authors, but we can't anticipate the author abbreviations they will make up. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

I've now e-mailed IPNI. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. 2003LN6 14:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@2003LN6: IPNI now has:

• A.H.Hasan – Amal Hajiya Hasan (fl. 2022)
• P.Aa – Pierrot Van der Aa (fl. 2022)
• F.C.Küpper – Frithjof C. Küpper (fl. 2022)
• D.Al-Bader – Dhia Al-Bader (fl. 2022)

So they can be added to the relevant pages. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Taxobox instructions (authorities)

WT:TOL#Taxobox authority instructions has brought to my attention that the taxobox instructions specify how to represent authorities for the kingdoms Animalia, Plantae and Bacteria, leaving fungi, chromists, and various other organisms in limbo. Would it be better to state this in terms of the relevant codes (with an indication of which taxa come under the various codes)? Also, should the equivalent information be added for the virus code.

PS: I was expecting you to comment further at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants/Archive76#Treatment_of_land_plants_at_Sex_article Lavateraguy (talk) 17:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Phintella parva

The article on Phintella parva is currently illustrated with a different species in the genus, which it would be great to replace with one of the species itself. There seems to be an image available in Openverse, from iNaturalist, here:[[1]] but when I have not been successful when I tried to upload it to Wikimedia. Are you able to help please? I have also nominated the article as a Good Article if you would be interested in taking a look. simongraham (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Simongraham: unfortunately the image is marked "CC BY-NC 4.0", i.e. not for commercial use. Commons doesn't allow this. See Commons:Licensing#Forbidden licenses. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense, and probably one of the reasons for the lack of species images. Thank you. simongraham (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Virusbox/parameter chk

Template:Virusbox/parameter chk has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)