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Reminder

Hello Pgallert. A reminder about Under-representation of science and women in Africa: Wikimania 2018 an opportunity to bridge the gap. Your contribution is appreciated. Ear-phone (talk) 14:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

New DYK nomination?

Hi, Pgallert. Happy New Year! Would you mind nominating Charles Walenn for DYK? The hook could be something like:

Does that make the irony clear enough? He had starred, for over a dozen years, *only* on tour, never at the Savoy, in the Savoy operas, and only later did he ever appear there! Feel free to revise the hook if you think it can be clearer in the allotted number of words. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Ssilvers! I'm sorry to have missed this, it would indeed have been an interesting hook. Was on holiday without Internet access, now back as usual. Cheers! Pgallert (talk) 14:50, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Welcome back! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Indaba?

Are you planning to go? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2018/Questions_%26_Needs --Gereon K. (talk) 09:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gereon! It appears that I have missed the deadline for scholarships. Was on holiday without Internet access. I think I'll skip the Indaba this time, too expensive to travel on my own money. --Pgallert (talk) 09:14, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Precious six years!

Precious
Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikimania ?

Hallo Peter. Ich glaube, das wird mein Afrika-Jahr. Dienstag fliege ich nach Ruanda, in 2 Wochen nach Tunesien und gerade habe ich mein Wikimania-Stipendium erhalten. Du erinnerst Dich, wir hatten uns darüber unterhalten, zusammen von Namibia nach Kapstadt zu fahren. Wie steht da die Planung bei Dir? --Gereon K. (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Hallo Gereon, ich hab in der Sache schon ein paar Emails mit Marcus Cyron gewechselt. Ich fahre definitiv runter. Falls wir mehr als 5 Leute werden, muessen wir diskutieren, wir wir das machen wollen. Falls nicht, einfach in Windhoek aufschlagen und Platz nehmen, die Route und das Nebenprogramm wird sich nach der vorhandenen Zeit richten. Ansonsten einfach mal nachts per Skype anklingeln (pggallert), Schreiben ist Silber, Reden ist Gold ;). Gruess und viel Spass! Pgallert (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Seriöse Website?

Hallo! Darf ich dich was fragen? Kannst du die Website https://www.namibia-1on1.com/ einordnen? Sie kommt sowohl in der deutschsprachigen als auch in der englischsprachigen in der Wikipedia gelegentlich als Beleg in Artikeln zu Namibia vor, und sie bietet tatsächlich viel Information, aber wegen ihrer Privat-Website-Aufmachung habe ich Zweifel. Ich wüsste gerne, ob man sie deiner Meinung nach als zuverlässige Quelle verlinken kann. Konkreter Anlass meiner Frage ist der Artikel über de:Anna Mungunda, über die ich dort Informationen gefunden habe. Viele Grüße --Mushushu (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Hallo Mushushu! 1-on-1 ist als Quelle wahrscheinlich grenzwertig, von rein touristischen Informationen abgesehen. Einige historische Dokumente, z.B. die Eulogien fuer die Namibianischen Nationalhelden, findet man aber nirgendwo anders, ich hab 1-on-1 daher auf den Englischen Seiten auch verwendet. Ich gehe davon aus, dass diese Dokumente nicht absichtlich verfaelscht wurden. Wenn es aber um die Einordnungen oder Bewertungen historischer Begebenheiten geht, wuerde ich vorsichtig sein, besonders, wenn 1-on-1 anderen Quellen widerspricht. Auf der Englische Version von Anna Mungunda zum Beispiel hatte vermutlich eher Klaus Dierks recht, wem das Auto gehoerte, selbst wenn auch Dierks kein professioneller Historiker war. Hoffe, das hilft Dir weiter. Gruss! Pgallert (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Vielen Dank für deine Antwort! Ich verlinke dann lieber direkt auf die die Mitschrift der Einweihungsrede.
Was das Auto angeht, habe ich verschiedene Versionen gelesen, die alle auf eher vagen Erzählungen nicht mehr benennbarer Personen beruhen. (Die Seite von Klaus Dierks finde ich optisch so schwer zu ertragen, dass mein Eindruck des womöglich gut recherchierten Inhalts etwas leidet...) Deshalb habe ich mich entschieden, diesen Teil kurz zu halten, zumal ich mit solchen Details nicht vom Kern der Geschichte ablenken will, nämlich dass sie erschossen wurde.
Mir wurde erst gerade klar, dass Anna Mungunda unter den ersten neun Personen war, die auf dem Heldenacker geehrt wurden. Hast du zufällig eine Idee, wo ich mehr darüber lesen könnte, wie diese Gedenkstätte genau funktioniert? Mich interessiert, ob die "Grabstätten" wirkliche Gräber sind oder ob dort eher symbolische Begräbnisse stattfinden. Viele Grüße --Mushushu (talk) 09:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Naja, eine richtige Mitschrift wird es eher nicht sein. Kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass Personal von 1-on-1 bei der Einweihung geladen war. Es ist also von irgendwoher kopiert. Was den Heldenacker angeht, mehr als was auf Wikipedia steht, weiss ich auch nicht: Die 9 urspruenglichen Helden sind nicht dort begraben, die meisten der danach folgenden allerdings schon. Beste Gruesse, Pgallert (talk) 14:40, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK nom?

Hello, Pgallert! Do you have time to do another DYK nom? It is George Bentham (singer), and the creators are User:Jack1956 and me. A possible hook might be:

...that after a decade-long opera and concert career, George Bentham originated the leading role of Alexis in The Sorcerer (1877), which proved to be his last performing engagement."

How's that? Note that the main source of the article is Kurt Gänzl's blog, but although it is a blog, Gänzl is one of the most important musical theatre writers in the world. See his bio. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:54, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ssilvers, nice to hear from you again! I'll certainly try. Regarding the wording of the hook, and forgive my lack of education, does 'creating/originating the role' mean anything more than being the first to perform it? I think the duplication of the word 'role' is not ideal, and maybe the situation can be expressed differently? Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! I fixed the duplication of the word "role". The role creator or originator is the first person to play the role, usually in the original production. I think the hook is interesting, because (1) Bentham was so disappointed that he abruptly ended his career; (2) The Sorcerer was the first full-length Gilbert and Sullivan opera that is still performed today, 141 years later, so its stars are of interest in musical theatre history, because without Gilbert and Sullivan, musical theatre would not have evolved as it did. Can you suggest any further changes to the hook? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ssilvers! No doubt it is an interesting hook, I just thought I might have missed something, like if he converted his role from prose to play, or performed any other creative task on it. But wouldn't then simply ", which proved to be his last" be more elegant? --Pgallert (talk) 08:48, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
No, I don't think the clause is clear without a noun. It proved to be his last role, part, or engagement. Feel free to choose either "performing engagement" or "role". One could say "part", but that would not be crystal clear to non-theatregoers, I think. Or, it could be:

...that after a decade-long opera and concert career, George Bentham originated the leading role of Alexis in The Sorcerer (1877); he then stopped performing."

Feel free to pick one, and then please proceed. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:12, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I nominated it as listed on top here (Cause I think a semicolon to separate what could be two sentences, is not allowed... rulezzz). See Template:Did you know nominations/George Bentham (singer). Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for George Bentham (singer)

Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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Got this from you, it wasn't me

Hello, I'm Pgallert. An edit that you recently made to Orange River seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.71.178 (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi! IP addresses can be allocated to different people, so it is very well possible that it wasn't you, and the edit in question happened a year ago. This was the edit I reverted. Why not create an account to avoid misunderstandings? If you need any assistance you can ask me any time. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 07:29, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Improving Incubator

Hi Peter,

It was a pleasure meeting you in Cape Town!

A little reminder: It would be nice to hear your opinion about my proposal to overhaul Incubator.

As far as I can see, your Phabricator account is now approved, and you can leave a comment there.

If you have any criticism, I'd love to hear it, too.

Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:45, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Amir, and thanks for the reminder. I have commented, although I'm unfamiliar with many of the technical details. Hope it helps. Hope you had a safe journey home. Cheers! --Pgallert (talk) 15:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Hallo Peter, ich habe die Artikel über die namibischen Trockenflüsse nach Autoren durchgesehen, die Englisch sprechen und sich mit Namibia auskennen - und bin dabei unweigerlich auf dich gestoßen. Dann habe ich mir deine WikiStammtisch-Episode angehört; sehr interessant, danke! In der deutschen Sprachversion sind wir uns gerade unschlüssig, was mit dem Wort de:Rivier anzufangen ist: Wir haben festgestellt, dass rivier im Niederländischen schlicht und einfach Fluss heißt und im Afrikaans ebenfalls Fluss, aber dabei auch solche in Süd- und Südwestafrika einschließt, die nicht dauerhaft Wasser führen. Und dass die Deutschsprechenden in Namibia sich das Wort Rivier aus dem Afrikaans entlehnt und dessen Bedeutung auf Trockenfluss verengt haben. Geblieben ist die Frage, ob das Wort Rivier auch von Nicht-Deutschsprechern in Namibia verwendet wird. Dafür habe ich - der ich keine eigene Anschauung des Landes habe - im Internet keinen Hinweis gefunden; wenn auf Englisch schriftlich über namibische Trockenflüsse berichtet worden ist, dann immer über dry rivers oder rivers, das Wort rivier ist mir dort nicht untergekommen. In der de:Diskussion:Rivier#Kgetlengrivier hat der in Namibia lebende User:Chtrede darauf hingewiesen, dass er in der Umgangssprache der Englischsprecher in Namibia durchaus die Unterscheidung von river = nasser Fluss und rivier = trockener Fluss gehört hat. Kannst du uns als dort Lebender, der üblicherweise im Alltag Englisch spricht, weiterhelfen: Ist diese Unterscheidung im Englischen in Namibia weit verbreitet, und gibt es Wörterbücher oder andere autoritative Publikationen, die uns über die außerdeutsche Verwendung von Rivier Aufschluss geben könnten? Danke und besten Gruß in den globalen Süden, --Andropov (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Peter spricht das gleiche Englisch hier in Namibia wie ich... vermute ich mal ;-) --Chtrede (talk) 14:14, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Nicht, dass es irgendwie als wissenschaftliche Quelle herhalten könnte, aber z.B. steht hier auch ganz klar Rivier: "...there are only dry rivers in Namibia. They are called "riviere" and only flow periodically during the rainy season, sometimes just for a few days or even hours." Gruß --Chtrede (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Hallo Chtrede, danke für den Hinweis! Da das Englisch auf der angegebenen Website sich etwas zusammengeschustert liest und Tippfehler wie tripple (statt triple) enthält, würde ich das für eine Übersetzung aus dem Deutschen von einem Englisch-Nicht-Muttersprachler halten, aber das ist ja schonmal eine interessante Spur. Gruß euch beiden, --Andropov (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Wenn wir ins Englische wechseln sollen, sag übrigens gern Bescheid; ich habe gerade nach rivier namibia in dieser Sprachversion gesucht und unter anderem gesehen, dass du, Peter, selbst schonmal das Rivier eingebaut hast; ansonsten finde ich das eigentlich nur in Kaukausib mit Hinweis auf de:Rivier, das User:Hp.Baumeler angelegt hat, und in der disambiguation Rivier, bei der der Autor allerdings keine Belege für die eingebaute Zeile mit den Rivieren im Englischen hat, siehe User talk:Delirium#Rivier. Gruß, --Andropov (talk) 19:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Hallo Andropov! Chtrede ist in der Tat keine schlechtere Quelle als ich, er ist so weit ich weiss hier geboren, im Gegensatz zu mir. Um die eigentliche Frage aus meiner Sicht zu beantworten: Jeder in Namibia weiss, was ein Rivier ist: Ein Trockenfluss. Das betrifft auch nicht-Deutschsprachige, aber dazu muss man bedenken, dass (a) fast niemand in Namibia strikt einsprachig ist, und dass (b) alle Fluesse bis auf zwei Trockenfluesse sind.
Rivier ist, wie Du schon sagst, Afrikaans und bedeutet einfach "Fluss". Eingedeutscht beschraenkt sich die Bedeutung meist auf de:Trockenfluss, eingeenglischt auf ephemeral river, wohl weil ein Wort zur Unterscheidung von all den normalen Fluessen, also denen mit Wasser, nuetzlich war. Waehrend also ein staendig fliessender Fluss in Afrikaans immernoch ein Rivier waere, z.b. af:Oranjerivier, wuerde man auf Deutsch eher "Der Oranje" oder "Oranjefluss" sagen, und in Englisch "Orange" oder "Orange River". Eine offizielle Quelle wird allerdings schwierig. Namibia ist zu klein, um eigene Deutsch / Englisch Woerterbuecher herauszugeben. Ich besitze Englisch-Otjiherero, da steht nur River, kein Rivier. Und selbst eine Google-Suche wie "site:namibian.com.na rivier" liefert nur Orts- und Farmnamen, und keine eigenstaendige Verwendung des Begriffs. Umgangssprachlich ist es aber auf jeden Fall weit verbreitet. Hoffe, dass das erstmal hilft! Gruss, Pgallert (talk) 20:56, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Vielen Dank für die Insider-Informationen! Die Sache bleibt mir zumindest etwas mysteriös, denn es wundert mich schon, dass im frei verfügbaren Internet nicht ein Englischsprachiger mal einen zitablen Satz zur Verwendung des Wortes rivier in Namibia abseits des Deutschen geschrieben hat. Vielleicht hilft uns ja tatsächlich eine Anfrage bei einer akademischen Stelle weiter. Besten Gruß in die Ferne, --Andropov (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
@Andropov: Naja, da kommt die Winzigkeit Namibias in die Quere: Wir werden so um die 3.000 Dozenten in Namibia haben, davon vielleicht 50 Linguisten. Wuerde einer davon ueber Namibian English forschen, wuesste ich das. Vielleicht ist einfach die beste Begruendung dafuer, dass das Wort Rivier allgemein bekannt ist, dass es, falls es in Englischen Texten auftaucht, niemals uebersetzt oder erklaert wird. Aber das ist wahrscheinlich zu weit hergeholt, um wiki-tauglich zu sein. Gruss! Pgallert (talk) 22:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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DYK nom: New article

Hello, Pgallert! Would you mind nominating Carrie Tubb for DYK? It was created by User:Tim riley, an excellent editor. The hook could be:

that, on her hundredth birthday, British soprano Carrie Tubb was made a Fellow of the Royal College of Music? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ssilvers, hi User:Tim riley! I was out over the weekend, sorry for the late answer. Will nominate the article today or tomorrow. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 08:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you both so much. I'm v. grateful for your help. Tim riley talk 09:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@Ssilvers and Tim riley:  Done See: Template:Did you know nominations/Carrie Tubb. --Pgallert (talk) 09:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:31, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
And from me too. Most grateful. Tim riley talk 15:13, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

sign of life

are you the slightest interested in the namibia uranium mines fiasco - I could offer the diffs to show the problems. Or I could leave it. Interestingly I have a german speaking traveler staying at the moment... Up to you re the mining issue. Trust all is well. JarrahTree 10:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi JarrahTree, let me admit lack of knowledge on this issue. I have written about mining but I'm not an expert at all. Can you point me to some news or online sources on this? Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 10:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
no problems - I will dig it all up in a few minutes...
It all goes back to user bin mai created a vast sea of mining articles in 2013 or so from one source entries - included in them were mines that have never existed (they were mineral deposits that were announced but were never developed)

some recent afd include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tubas-Tumas_mine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Zhonghe_mine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Valencia_mine

It doesnt really bother me whether they end up (like our conversations at wikimanias) - or where they go, just thought there might have been a chance that you might have had knowledge of these... and if they get kept so be it - but it seemed a vast amount of bin mai's edits were from very poor sources and in most cases discovered deposits and not necessarily worked mines. It seemed to make a mockery of the mining project being an accurate mining venture... and not a field of hoaxes so to speak. JarrahTree 10:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I'll look into these. Valencia has got some media coverage, and, iirc, a sign post off the street. The other two will stand and fall with the question "what is a mine?" but should probably not have articles at the moment, unless we want to have coverage of every exploration license granted on this planet. --Pgallert (talk) 11:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for looking - appreciate that - as for your last comment - I agree totally JarrahTree 11:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi JarrahTree! I checked out the matter a bit. It seems as if the AfD discussions are going nowhere, certainly not towards a consensus to delete. I believe all of those articles, except Valencia mine which indeed exists, should be nominated together, outlining that the creator didn't understand the difference between a deposit and a mine. The only source clearly lists all of the following - not currently at AfD - as deposits and/or place (farm) names:

For each entry have a wrong and unreferenced statement ("is a mine"), followed by a wrong and unsupported claim ("one of the largest uranium reserves"), followed by an Original-Research calculation drawn from a publication of the World Nuclear Association, a partisan group promoting the nuclear industry. As most of the U-mining companies will likely be members, this source is not independent and thus not suitable.

I think with a motivation in this form the whole list can be removed. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 10:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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Otavi

Hello Pgallert, did you want square brackets for elephant mountain on Otavi page? Shouldn't it be normal brackets ? Regards --Olga Ernst (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Olga Ernst, I have changed it to round brackets. Looks probably a bit more natural. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 14:01, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Carrie Tubb

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