User talk:PiersMid1

Autobiography - always a bad idea[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article, or a draft for a Wikipedia article, about yourself. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please put it back so I can copy the references and then delete it permanently. I would of course kindly ask someone take a look at the references as they are all correct User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 04:49, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you could put the page into Sandbox mode, I can copy the text and the HTML to my website... User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 05:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a terrorist or anything like that! I have genuinely tried to help people as a teacher and exhibition organiser, etc... User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of User:PiersMid1[edit]

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If I have been flagged - then there is no point. Thanks for letting me know. Please kindly delete my profile altogether. I have no idea how to do this and I can see no one here is going to help... User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 14:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At least five people have attempted to help you at the Help Desk. You're attempting some of the most difficult things on Wikipedia for a new editor - writing an article and writing about yourself. Lots of information and detailed instructions are here: Articles for Creation. If you ever want to try again, I'd recommend reading that page carefully (including the big yellow box warning about scams!).

Accounts can't be deleted, but you can request a Vanishing if you never intend to edit again. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for your reply. Wasn’t expecting it. Sadly, I have no press connections and I have had to do everything myself. I am a busy teacher/artist and don’t have the time to fight my black listing. Yes, I tried to publish - but I don’t see any other way I could have got it!!! Catch 22. Summary - if no one at Wikipedia helps me write it, then I don’t see how I can get it. The process is too complicated for me… 2402:800:63EB:3AF2:8DC4:8EB4:48C:3742 (talk) 14:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 2023[edit]

I'm sorry, but I or another admin have deleted content from your user space, User:PiersMid1 .

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Thank you. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The “tea house”!!!! Seriously!!! I hope someone can at least help me start a page correctly. The process seems so bizarre, it sounds like I have entered Alice in wonderland! 2402:800:63EB:3AF2:8DC4:8EB4:48C:3742 (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You might to log in to edit. You might follow the instructions I gave you. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will look at it tomorrow. Sleepy time for tired teacher… 2402:800:63EB:3AF2:8DC4:8EB4:48C:3742 (talk) 14:54, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

know the feeling -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:22, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW-- Subjects of articles must meet notability guidelines with reliable sources which are unconnected with the subject and which provide verifiable information. Someone unconnected with the subject needs to have written a great deal about the subject. " All content must be cited from reliable, independent sources with a reputation for fact checking." -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I suspected, I will need a lot of published articles and I don’t have them. Moreover, I won’t ever get them because I am not well connected and I have no intention of buying them either. So, I won’t ever qualify. Thanks for trying. Appreciated. This Wikipedia policy is NOT helpful to ordinary people (with no connections) who do good honest work… Which isn’t good for Wikipedia!!! 2402:800:63EB:3AF2:5452:6EF2:B3B7:E778 (talk) 00:19, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One of the editors here (not you) has a Wikipedia page. His claim to fame is being one of top 1000 wikipedians!!! 2402:800:63EB:3AF2:5452:6EF2:B3B7:E778 (talk) 00:38, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Adriano - infamous porn producer known for producing hardcore anal sex movies has a wikipedia page! Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and many others all have Wikipedia pages! The Wikipedia rules concerning articles effectively means that famous, infamous, "Wikipedians", or those well-connected will probably get a page. Is that fair? How does that make society better off? I don't particularly want to spend vast amounts of time visiting a bizarre virtual teahouse to get help! Will I get a virtual cup of tea? LOL. Feel free to delete my profile permanently - I simply hope that, maybe, wikipedia reconsiders and publishes something about the Festivals I created. It wouldn't just benefit little old me - it would potentially benefit over 100 artists and non-mainstream organisations (helping homeless, adults with autism, etc.) How does a homeless person get a Wikipedia page? Think about it!!! The systems are almost designed to ensure they don't - which makes it even harder for them to get out of the situation they are in... User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 03:46, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please try to understand what Wikipedia is and is not. You say:

"As I suspected, I will need a lot of published articles" - yes; you will need a lot of published sources in order to write an article in this encyclopedia. You say you are a teacher. If you asked a student to write a research paper, and they did not include a bibliography showing where the information in the paper came from, what grade would you give them?
"I won’t ever get them because I am not well connected and I have no intention of buying them either." It sounds like you are trying to establish a name for yourself in the art field. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion, it exists to cover topics that are already well known. It is not a way to make a name for yourself; it's to include information about you after you have made a name for yourself. Think about the artists in Category:19th-century painters - they all lived and (mostly) died before Wikipedia existed; yet there are plenty of sources for us to use to compile information about, say Vincent Van Gough or Edgar Degas or (to pick someone who is less of a household name) Frederic Dubois. Some of those people did start out part of wealthy or well connected families, but not all of them.
" This Wikipedia policy is NOT helpful to ordinary people (with no connections) who do good honest work" - This encyclopedia does not exist for the purpose of "help(ing) ordinary people" to gain recognition. It exists to summarize published information about various topics. In that respect it exists to "help ordinary people . . . who do good honest work" by providing them with an easily accessible summary of available information about a topic.
You then go on to list a number of people who have articles written about them, including the former President of the United States and the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. You complain that "famous, infamous, or those well-connected will probably get a page." Yes - because the famous and infamous have published material written about them which we can summarize.
"How does a homeless person get a Wikipedia page?" - Um - by attracting the attention of reliable sources who publish information about them. Take a look at Category:Homeless people for some homeless people we have articles about. You say, "The systems are almost designed to ensure they don't - which makes it even harder for them to get out of the situation they are in," but I do not understand how having a Wikipedia article written about a homeless person would help that person to improve their housing situation.

~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1) I have requested you delete my profile at least twice. You ignored both of those requests. This is an infringement of my rights.

2) You failed to answer any of the moral issues raised. The point about the porn "star" is particularly concerning. Try to imagine being a Primary School ICT Teacher (which I have been). If I show a child this particular Wikipedia page, children, parents, and other staff members would be outraged. It is highly likely I would be fired for being "unprofessional" and I could even lose my teaching certificate! So, if so many people intuitively know that his activities are "wrong", then I strongly suspect you do too - but simply don't want to admit it, as it leads to legal issues.

3) The word "notable" means "worthy of attention or notice; remarkable." or famous. This is one of your main criteria. I would argue that this "star" is infamous, which is the complete opposite and defined as "well known for some bad quality or deed". It can be proved that porn "stars" have a high suicide rate, have high rates of STD and possibly other issues too. In other words, the "star"s activities are questionable medically, educationally, morally and even legally, as they thoroughly degrade women. There are plenty of porn "star" interviews on Youtube proving that! Similar arguments could be made for many other individuals with Wikipedia pages such as Charles Manson. As I said before, what message do you think you are portraying. You avoided answering it because you know perfectly well it gives you legal issues.

4) If someone witnesses a crime and does not go forward to the Police with that information, they can be accused of being as. accomplice, or of condoning the action, etc. From a purely legal perspective, Wikipedia could be accused of something similar. Wikipedia pages about infamous individuals could be seen as "agreeing" with it. In fact, I would argue (having actually seen first hand the impact of technology for over 20 years of employment), that publishing information on these people only leads to people treating what they did as "normal". It is one of the reasons why the USA has such a high death rate from the misuse of guns. The clue is in what they are designed to do; namely, kill!!!!

5) There was no need to nitpick me online, especially after I had openly requested my profile be deleted twice! That was NOT respectful. So, I am asking again, please KINDLY delete my profile. I can see you won't change your policies or publish anything about things I have done. I accept that. I simply want some peace and ask you to leave me alone. User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 00:30, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I assume by "profile" you mean your account. For reasons of copyright attribution, accounts cannot be deleted. See Wikipedia:UNC.

I'm sorry you are not able to understand the purpose of this website. If you wish to be left alone, I suggest you stop engaging. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 02:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete this conversation. Your point also applies to Wikipedia - stop engaging! User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 02:22, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please also refrain from subjective comments that refer to a users understanding online. There is no need for that. For the record, I openly stated from the very start that I didn't have enough articles. User: Piers Midwinter (talk) 02:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your account can't be deleted. That's a fact - it's not something anyone can refuse to do. Nor can any individual change Wikipedia's policies. I don't know why you persist. Doug Weller talk 07:52, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]