User talk:Racoon42/LilyZhang

New Sources

Update this with any new sources that you find! A local high school news outlet just did an interview with her. Are we allowed to cite youtube videos though? Chapman News: Lily ZhangRacoon42 (talk) 20:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

How to Cite the same Source Twice

Hey guys, so if you add any more information to the article, double check to see if your source has already been used. If it has, follow these procedures:

1. Find the first time the source was used
2. Take its <ref> tag and give it a name attribute, so it looks like this: <ref name="london 2012">
3. Find your subsequent use(s) of that source
4. Add this tag: <ref name="london 2012" /> (make sure that that's the only reference there, you don't need the rest of the citation information)

KeithJewman (talk) 21:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeithJewman (talk • contribs) 21:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Topic

Currently Lily Zhang's article is nothing but a stub listing her as a table tennis player that competed at the 2012 Olympics. As one of the youngest athletes to compete for the US in the Olympics (qualified when she was only 15) and as an athlete who has had a good deal of international success, she represents a new generation of American born table tennis players in the USA who are competing more and more at an international level. As one of the leaders of this movement, along with her fellow 2012 Olympians, it our belief she warrants a more thorough, content filled page on Wikipedia.

This is a good topic, and you are basically starting from scratch with what's on the Wikipedia page on Lily Zhang. LeshedInstructor (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Article Sections

• Career In the United States
  • National Tournaments
  • National Ranking
• International Career
  • Olympic Appearance
    • 0-4 Loss to Cornelia Molnar in her first match Briann23 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Pan American Games
    • Bronze Medal earned with teammates Erica Wu and Ariel Hsing Briann23 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Qatar Peace and Sport Cup
    • Victory in doubles with Anna Tikhomirova, a "true friend" to Lily Zhang Briann23 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
• Playing Style
• Persona Life

I'm going to try to find a little more information about Lily's friendships with some of her teammates, and particularly Anna Tikhomirova. It might be hard to find them, but since she's always part of a team, it could be worthwhile to include something about them. Briann23 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I like the proposed organization of the article - it looks like you guys have put a lot of thought into laying it out. Jws325 (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Table of contents will be created automatically when you create sections for the article. LeshedInstructor (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Other Article Elements

Finding usable pictures may be an issue but luckily, as we are adding to a stub, the box to the right has already been constructed for us so we may just add relevant data to it (I.E. Winner of Qatar Peace and Sport Cup).

Good point about the picture - if you take it from the official USA Olympic team site, try to find out if it is copyrighted or where you can get permission to use it. LeshedInstructor (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

References

http://photos.mercurynews.com/2012/07/28/olympics-lily-zhang-out-of-table-tennis-singles-event/ Describes Lily Zhang’s loss in the Olympics, includes score http://www.london2012.com/athlete/zhang-lily-1132430/ Basic Profile

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/sports&id=7194948 Describes age when she began playing, also has some information regarding parent’s background and training regimen

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Table-Tennis/Events-Leagues-Ratings/Ratings.aspx United States: Current Rating and Tournament History

http://www.ittfranking.com/cgi-bin/ttplayer.cgi?number=112221&lang=0&format=summary International Rating and Tournament History

http://www.asianweek.com/2012/07/31/bay-areas-16-year-old-table-tennis-champions-compete-in-london-2012/ More background information hallelujah

http://ittf.com/_front_page/ittf_full_story2.asp?ID=29054&Category= ITTF article detailing a single tournament that she won

http://ittf.com/_front_page/ittf_full_story2.asp?ID=28515&Category= ITTF article detailing American Olmypic team to London, of which Lily is a part

http://www.teamusa.org/Athletes/ZH/Lily-Zhang.aspx Team USA Profile, includes basic info

http://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/slideshows/meet-the-us-high-school-students-competing-in-2012-olympic-games/12 Says what high school she goes to (Palo Alto High School where she is a junior)

http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf_full_story1.asp?ID=26490&Competition_ID=2096& Details how she won the Qatar Peace and Sport Cup in 2011.

http://london2012.usatoday.com/olympics/athlete.asp?type=&country=USA&page=TT&id=654784 Provides some important new information about Lily and what she did leading up to the olympics Briann23 (talk) 20:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

http://m.nbcolympics.com/content/lily-zhang-0 A bit more information on the Pan American Games Briann23 (talk) 20:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

This is a fantastic initial set of sources. Make sure you follow the Wikipedia norms to avoid "bare URLs". LeshedInstructor (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Situating the Article

This article is part of the Table Tennis stubs wiki project and can link to generally to other table tennis articles and more specifically to other USA team members, such as Ariel Hsing and Erica Wu, who both have their own Wikipedia articles.

Good. See that you can make the Wikipedia editors involved in the Table Tennis WikiProject interested in helping you out. LeshedInstructor (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

This makes sense, good job finding such a relevant WikiProject. Jws325 (talk) 05:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Division of Labor

• Austin Duenas
  • Personal Life, Photos/Video
• Keith Newman
  • Career in the United States
• Brian Nader
  • International Career

This is the basic structure we shall be following but it is likely we will all be helping to contribute to each others sections as our work with the project progresses.

Looks like a balanced work distribution. Jws325 (talk) 05:45, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Instructor's Feedback

This is a very good direction to pursue, and you have a good potential to end with an interesting and extensive article that will last. I have some specific comments in the various sections above. Remember that everything you discuss in what needs to go into the article, including responses to class assignments, should not appear on the article page but on the talk page. LeshedInstructor (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Observer's Feedback

I think this will be a really great topic! Since you're doing an Olympic Athlete, there are likely to be a lot of biased sources, so please make sure that you focus on facts and not biased opinions. It would be fascinating to know her successes throughout her career and the various competitions she's won. I'm sure there will be some great pictures - but make sure you site them correctly! Good Luck! Tpn22 (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

You guys did a great job. Your topic has a high degree of relevance, and you've done a great job setting up an outline for the article. With proper execution, this could be a fantastic Wikipedia article. Jws325 (talk) 05:48, 29 September 2012 (UTC)