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Grove Primary School
Can you please explain what is notable about Grove Primary School, Frimley? Schools in the primary/elementary sectors need to have quite a lot of notability before they warrant their own pge. Secondaries and High Schools are fine. Jimbo has said they can page an article without problems. But not primaries. Now if there is something particularly notable and well sourcedd about the Grove, then please feel free to add it, with its sources. But I don't think there is. And pls do not remove templates you don't like with an edit summary of remove unexplained tag. Its rather rude. No one is required to explain it to you. You can go and make your own enquiries. The tag has been in place since October 2009, plenty of time for concerned parties to do something about it. No one has. And thats because there is nothing to be done. It just doesn't satisfy notability criteria. And the reason there was no information transferred to the Frimley article at the time of the merge, is that there was nothing to transfer. Most of the article is unencyclopaedic and unreferenced, and of the bits that are referenced (location, local children, number on roll) location is inherent in the Frimley article and local children is not notable in the context of the Frimley article. What would be encyclopaedic would be if most of the children travelled 10 miles to attend the school. Local primaries cater for local children. Its not notable to restate that. That leaves the number on roll. If you think that it would be useful to have that info in the Frimley article, then by all means feel free to add it, but it would probably need the figures for all the Frimley schools to add proper context. That might be a useful addition. Fmph (talk) 08:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- And I see you've made similar edits to Guildford Grove School, Holy Trinity Junior School, Guildford, Lanesborough School, Rydes Hill Preparatory School, Holy Trinity Junior School, Guildford and Boxgrove Primary School - all of which have been templated for merge for years, and none of which have anything notable about them. Removing {{advert}} templates could be considered as vandalism by many, especially where all those articles still read as adverts. Fmph (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- As there are many primary school articles for schools all over the world, consensus would seem to suggest that they are notable enough to have their own pages, especially as many do have appropriate references available, but which have just not been referenced yet. I also fail to see what makes a secondary school more notable than a primary school - they both serve the same purpose (to educate children), they are often similar in size and they are also covered by reliable sources. You mention that the distance people travel to a school determines its notability, but how can you use this figure to discriminate between the two without carrying out original research? If Jimbo has said that the encyclopaedia should not contain primary school articles, then very well, you seem to be more knowledgeable on the subject, but it would have been nice to see this rationale before the 'merges' were carried out rather than providing no explanation for why they were done. To a point, I do understand your reasoning behind the merges now that you have explained them, but in addition to the merge templates, rationale should have been provided on the talk pages as otherwise there is no apparent reason for the merge to take place. Regarding advert templates, their removal would not be considered vandalism if there is no more advert-like material within the articles, and per WP:ADVERT, I don't believe there is. Raywil (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, if there were consensus for that, there would be far more primary school articles than there are. Have a look at List of schools in Surrey for instance. All the secondary schools have articles (just!) but just about none of the primaries do. Why is that? And the list of primaries is probably only half complete. If you really want me to waste everyone's time, I'll put all the articles in question up for WP:AFD and we can see what will happen. Either they will be deleted, or more likely, they will be merged into the Guildford, Frimley and Woking articles. Either way, you, me, and everyone else who contributes to the discussions will be wasting their time. Have you actually read the guidelines?
- If there is some information you feel is encyclopaedic and therefore should be added to the locality articles then by all means highlight it and I'll even help you move it. But I haven't seen anything in those articles that is referenced and worthy of keeping, IMHO. Fmph (talk) 21:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
- As there are many primary school articles for schools all over the world, consensus would seem to suggest that they are notable enough to have their own pages, especially as many do have appropriate references available, but which have just not been referenced yet. I also fail to see what makes a secondary school more notable than a primary school - they both serve the same purpose (to educate children), they are often similar in size and they are also covered by reliable sources. You mention that the distance people travel to a school determines its notability, but how can you use this figure to discriminate between the two without carrying out original research? If Jimbo has said that the encyclopaedia should not contain primary school articles, then very well, you seem to be more knowledgeable on the subject, but it would have been nice to see this rationale before the 'merges' were carried out rather than providing no explanation for why they were done. To a point, I do understand your reasoning behind the merges now that you have explained them, but in addition to the merge templates, rationale should have been provided on the talk pages as otherwise there is no apparent reason for the merge to take place. Regarding advert templates, their removal would not be considered vandalism if there is no more advert-like material within the articles, and per WP:ADVERT, I don't believe there is. Raywil (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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- WikiProject report: Land of Calm and Contrast: Korea
The Signpost: 27 August 2012
- News and notes: Tough journey for new travel guide
- Technology report: Just how bad is the code review backlog?
- Featured content: Wikipedia rivals The New Yorker: Mark Arsten
- WikiProject report: From sonic screwdrivers to jelly babies: Doctor Who
The Signpost: 03 September 2012
- Technology report: Time for a MediaWiki Foundation?
- Featured content: Wikipedia's Seven Days of Terror
The Signpost: 10 September 2012
- From the editor: Signpost adapts as news consumption changes
- Featured content: Not a "Gangsta's Paradise", but still rappin'
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Fungi
- Special report: Two Wikipedians set to face jury trial
- Technology report: Mmmm, milkshake...
- Discussion report: Closing Wikiquette; Image Filter; Education Program and Momento extensions
The Signpost: 17 September 2012
- From the editor: Signpost expands to Facebook
- WikiProject report: Action! — The Indian Cinema Task Force
- Featured content: Go into the light
- Technology report: Future-proofing: HTML5 and IPv6
The Signpost: 24 September 2012
- In the media: Editor's response to Roth draws internet attention
- Recent research: "Rise and decline" of Wikipedia participation, new literature overviews, a look back at WikiSym 2012
- WikiProject report: 01010010 01101111 01100010 01101111 01110100 01101001 01100011 01110011
- News and notes: UK chapter rocked by Gibraltar scandal
- Technology report: Signpost investigation: code review times
- Featured content: Dead as...
- Discussion report: Image filter; HotCat; Syntax highlighting; and more
The Signpost: 01 October 2012
- Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Founder: Jimmy Wales
- News and notes: Independent review of UK chapter governance; editor files motion against Wikitravel owners
- Featured content: Mooned
- Technology report: WMF and the German chapter face up to Toolserver uncertainty
- WikiProject report: The Name's Bond... WikiProject James Bond
The Signpost: 08 October 2012
- News and notes: Education Program faces community resistance
- WikiProject report: Ten years and one million articles: WikiProject Biography
- Featured content: A dash of Arsenikk
- Discussion report: Closing RfAs: Stewards or Bureaucrats?; Redesign of Help:Contents
The Signpost: 15 October 2012
- In the media: Wikipedia's language nerds hit the front page
- Featured content: Second star to the left
- News and notes: Chapters ask for big bucks
- Technology report: Wikidata is a go: well, almost
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Chemicals
The Signpost: 22 October 2012
- Special report: Examining adminship from the German perspective
- Arbitration report: Malleus Fatuorum accused of circumventing topic ban; motion to change "net four votes" rule
- Technology report: Wikivoyage migration: technical strategy announced
- Discussion report: Good articles on the main page?; reforming dispute resolution
- News and notes: Wikimedians get serious about women in science
- WikiProject report: Where in the world is Wikipedia?
- Featured content: Is RfA Kafkaesque?
The Signpost: 29 October 2012
- News and notes: First chickens come home to roost for FDC funding applicants; WMF board discusses governance issues and scope of programs
- WikiProject report: In recognition of... WikiProject Military History
- Technology report: Improved video support imminent and Wikidata.org live
- Featured content: On the road again
The Signpost: 05 November 2012
- Op-ed: 2012 WikiCup comes to an end
- News and notes: Wikimedian photographic talent on display in national submissions to Wiki Loves Monuments
- In the media: Was climate change a factor in Hurricane Sandy?
- Discussion report: Protected Page Editor right; Gibraltar hooks
- Featured content: Jack-O'-Lanterns and Toads
- Technology report: Hue, Sqoop, Oozie, Zookeeper, Hive, Pig and Kafka
- WikiProject report: Listening to WikiProject Songs
The Signpost: 12 November 2012
- News and notes: Court ruling complicates the paid-editing debate
- Featured content: The table has turned
- Technology report: MediaWiki 1.20 and the prospects for getting 1.21 code reviewed promptly
- WikiProject report: Land of parrots, palm trees, and the Holy Cross: WikiProject Brazil
The Signpost: 19 November 2012
- News and notes: FDC's financial muscle kicks in
- WikiProject report: No teenagers, mutants, or ninjas: WikiProject Turtles
- Technology report: Structural reorganisation "not a done deal"
- Featured content: Wikipedia hit by the Streisand effect
- Discussion report: GOOG, MSFT, WMT: the ticker symbol placement question
The Signpost: 26 November 2012
- News and notes: Toolserver finance remains uncertain
- Recent research: Movie success predictions, readability, credentials and authority, geographical comparisons
- Featured content: Panoramic views, history, and a celestial constellation
- Technology report: Wikidata reaches 100,000 entries
- WikiProject report: Directing Discussion: WikiProject Deletion Sorting
The Signpost: 03 December 2012
- News and notes: Wiki Loves Monuments announces 2012 winner
- Featured content: The play's the thing
- Discussion report: Concise Wikipedia; standardize version history tables
- Technology report: MediaWiki problems but good news for Toolserver stability
- WikiProject report: The White Rose: WikiProject Yorkshire
The Signpost: 10 December 2012
- News and notes: Wobbly start to ArbCom election, but turnout beats last year's
- Featured content: Wikipedia goes to Hell
- Technology report: The new Visual Editor gets a bit more visual
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Human Rights
The Signpost: 17 December 2012
- News and notes: Arbitrator election: stewards release the results
- WikiProject report: WikiProjekt Computerspiel: Covering Computer Games in Germany
- Discussion report: Concise Wikipedia; section headings for navboxes
- Op-ed: Finding truth in Sandy Hook
- Featured content: Wikipedia's cute ass
- Technology report: MediaWiki groups and why you might want to start snuggling newbie editors
The Signpost: 24 December 2012
- WikiProject report: A Song of Ice and Fire
- Featured content: Battlecruiser operational
- Technology report: Efforts to "normalise" Toolserver relations stepped up
The Signpost: 31 December 2012
- From the editor: Wikipedia, our Colosseum
- In the media: Is the Wikimedia movement too 'cash rich'?
- News and notes: Wikimedia Foundation fundraiser a success; Czech parliament releases photographs to chapter
- Technology report: Looking back on a year of incremental changes
- Discussion report: Image policy and guidelines; resysopping policy
- Featured content: Whoa Nelly! Featured content in review
- WikiProject report: New Year, New York
- Recent research: Wikipedia and Sandy Hook; SOPA blackout reexamined
The Signpost: 07 January 2013
- WikiProject report: Where Are They Now? Episode IV: A New Year
- News and notes: 2012—the big year
- Featured content: Featured content in review
- Technology report: Looking ahead to 2013
The Signpost: 14 January 2013
- Investigative report: Ship ahoy! New travel site finally afloat
- News and notes: Launch of annual picture competition, new grant scheme
- WikiProject report: Reach for the Stars: WikiProject Astronomy
- Discussion report: Flag Manual of Style; accessibility and equality
- Special report: Loss of an Internet genius
- Featured content: Featured articles: Quality of reviews, quality of writing in 2012
- Arbitration report: First arbitration case in almost six months
- Technology report: Intermittent outages planned, first Wikidata client deployment
The Signpost: 21 January 2013
- News and notes: Requests for adminship reform moves forward
- WikiProject report: Say What? — WikiProject Linguistics
- Featured content: Wazzup, G? Delegates and featured topics in review
- Arbitration report: Doncram case continues
- Technology report: Data centre switchover a tentative success
The Signpost: 28 January 2013
- In the media: Hoaxes draw media attention
- Recent research: Lessons from the research literature on open collaboration; clicks on featured articles; credibility heuristics
- WikiProject report: Checkmate! — WikiProject Chess
- Discussion report: Administrator conduct and requests
- News and notes: Khan Academy's Smarthistory and Wikipedia collaborate
- Featured content: Listing off progress from 2012
- Arbitration report: Doncram continues
- Technology report: Developers get ready for FOSDEM amid caching problems
The Signpost: 04 February 2013
- Special report: Examining the popularity of Wikipedia articles
- News and notes: Article Feedback Tool faces community resistance
- WikiProject report: Land of the Midnight Sun
- Featured content: Portal people on potent potables and portable potholes
- In the media: Star Trek Into Pedantry
- Technology report: Wikidata team targets English Wikipedia deployment
The Signpost: 11 February 2013
- Featured content: A lousy week
- WikiProject report: Just the Facts
- In the media: Wikipedia mirroring life in island ownership dispute
- Discussion report: WebCite proposal
- Technology report: Wikidata client rollout stutters
The Signpost: 18 February 2013
- WikiProject report: Thank you for flying WikiProject Airlines
- Technology report: Better templates and 3D buildings
- News and notes: Wikimedia Foundation declares 'victory' in Wikivoyage lawsuit
- In the media: Sue Gardner interviewed by the Australian press
- Featured content: Featured content gets schooled
The Signpost: 25 February 2013
- Recent research: Wikipedia not so novel after all, except to UK university lecturers
- News and notes: "Very lucky" Picture of the Year
- Discussion report: Wikivoyage links; overcategorization
- Featured content: Blue birds be bouncin'
- WikiProject report: How to measure a WikiProject's workload
- Technology report: Wikidata development to be continued indefinitely
The Signpost: 04 March 2013
- News and notes: Outing of editor causes firestorm
- Featured content: Slow week for featured content
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Television Stations
The Signpost: 11 March 2013
- From the editor: Signpost–Wikizine merger
- News and notes: Finance committee updates
- Featured content: Batman, three birds and a Mercedes
- Arbitration report: Doncram case closes; arbitrator resigns
- WikiProject report: Setting a precedent
- Technology report: Article Feedback reversal
The Signpost: 18 March 2013
- News and notes: Resigning arbitrator slams Committee
- WikiProject report: Making music
- Featured content: Wikipedia stays warm
- Arbitration report: Richard case closes
- Technology report: Visual Editor "on schedule"
The Signpost: 25 March 2013
- WikiProject report: The 'Burgh: WikiProject Pittsburgh
- Featured content: One and a half soursops
- Arbitration report: Two open cases
- News and notes: Sue Gardner to leave WMF; German Wikipedians spearhead another effort to close Wikinews
- Technology report: The Visual Editor: Where are we now, and where are we headed?
The Signpost: 01 April 2013
- Special report: Who reads which Wikipedia?
- WikiProject report: Special: FAQs
- Featured content: What the ?
- Arbitration report: Three open cases
- Technology report: Wikidata phase 2 deployment timetable in doubt
The Signpost: 08 April 2013
- Wikizine: WMF scales back feature after outcry
- WikiProject report: Earthshattering WikiProject Earthquakes
- News and notes: French intelligence agents threaten Wikimedia volunteer
- Arbitration report: Subject experts needed for Argentine History
- Featured content: Wikipedia loves poetry
- Technology report: Testing week
The Signpost: 15 April 2013
- WikiProject report: Unity in Diversity: South Africa
- News and notes: Another admin reform attempt flops
- Featured content: The featured process swings into high gear
The Signpost: 22 April 2013
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Editor Retention
- News and notes: Milan conference a mixed bag
- Featured content: Batfish in the Red Sea
- Arbitration report: Sexology case nears closure after stalling over topic ban
- Technology report: A flurry of deployments
The Signpost: 29 April 2013
- News and notes: Chapter furore over FDC knockbacks; First DC GLAM boot-camp
- In the media: Wikipedia's sexism; Yuri Gadyukin hoax
- Featured content: Wiki loves video games
- WikiProject report: Japanese WikiProject Baseball
- Traffic report: Most popular Wikipedia articles
- Arbitration report: Sexology closed; two open cases
- Recent research: Sentiment monitoring; UNESCO and systemic bias; and more
- Technology report: New notifications system deployed across Wikipedia
The Signpost: 06 May 2013
- Technology report: Foundation successful in bid for larger Google subsidy
- Featured content: WikiCup update: full speed ahead!
- WikiProject report: Earn $100 in cash... and a button!
The Signpost: 13 May 2013
- News and notes: WMF–community ruckus on Wikimedia mailing list
- WikiProject report: Knock Out: WikiProject Mixed Martial Arts
- Featured content: A mushroom, a motorway, a Munich gallery, and a map
- In the media: PR firm accused of editing Wikipedia for government clients; can Wikipedia predict the stock market?
- Arbitration report: Race and politics opened; three open cases
The Signpost: 20 May 2013
- Foundation elections: Trustee candidates speak about Board structure, China, gender, global south, endowment
- WikiProject report: Classical Greece and Rome
- News and notes: Spanish Wikipedia leaps past one million articles
- In the media: Qworty incident continues
- Featured content: Up in the air
The Signpost: 27 May 2013
- News and notes: First-ever community election for FDC positions
- In the media: Pagans complain about Qworty's anti-Pagan editing
- Foundation elections: Candidates talk about the Meta problem, the nation-based chapter model, world languages, and value for money
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Geographical Coordinates
- Featured content: Life of 2π
- Recent research: Motivations on the Persian Wikipedia; is science eight times more popular on the Spanish Wikipedia than the English Wikipedia?
- Technology report: Amsterdam hackathon: continuity, change, and stroopwafels