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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Croquet Foundation of America / RELIABLE SOURCE VERIFICATION

The reliability of my sources has been questioned. I am the ultimately "reliable source" on croquet, and beyond myself, the sources for information are first-hand.

In the space at the bottom of the page, I identified myself as the editor and founder of Croquet World Online Magazine, www.CroquetWorld.com, which is the sole independent worldwide magazine for the sport of croquet. I have been publishing CROQUET WORLD for 17 years. It is cited often in mainstream media as the primary source for much that is reported on the sport. Very seldom does Newsweek or CBS or other major media report on croquet without consulting me at some point, often to ask for additional references or photos.

In addition I have published books on croquet for the US Croquet Association, and I consult with all the US croquet organizations, including the Croquet Foundation of America. My background includes organizing the San Francsico Croquet Club in the 80's as the first two-lawn public facility for croquet in the U.S. I then wrote a three-volume series on CLUB BUILDING AND MANAGEMENT.

All the facts have been gotten from FIRST-HAND SOURCES in the Croquet Foundation of America, including the president of the organization, David McCoy. His email address is McCoy1165@aol.com. He will confirm the reliability of Bob Alman as a source and the accuracy of the information in the entry.

My "objectivity" has been questioned. Perhaps it's because I said the National Croquet Center is the largest and finest in the world of croquet? It is, without question. I cited the acreage and the square footage of the building and its architechtural type and characteristics, without using "peacock" adjectives. If you need another source to check this or any of the facts or characterizations, let me know how I can help you find it.

I am the founding editor of www.Croquetworld.com and several other websites. I am a trained journalist, writer, and editor. I am also something of a techno-phobe. So I do apologize if I'm missing something here in the process. (I have a webmaster and layout editor to handle these things for me on CROQUET WORLD.) I am following directions here by rote, the same way I edited (successfully, it appears) the page CROQUET HALL OF FAME a few days ago.

Please help me through this process!

Bob Alman, Editor CROQUET WORLD ONLINE MAGAZINE www.CroquetWorld.com RealitySports (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello there Bob,

Before anything else, let me quickly state that i am not questioning your credentials and knowledge regarding Croquet, and that this was not the gist of the "Lacking reliable sources" decline. The core of the raised issue is that the article currently isn't verifiable because no reliable sources are included. Please keep in mind that everyone can edit an article once it is posted, so anyone can change the presented information. I could, for example, change the line "USCA founder Jack Osborn also set up the Croquet Hall of Fame " to "USCA founder Margaret Thatcher also set up the Fries Hall of Fame", and the article's references section would still state that it was written by Bob Alman, even though it would be bogus information. Note that this change is of course quite clearly nonsensical, but others would be less clear (In example: Changing date by 1 year).

Because of this every article needs to be supported by reliable third party sources that can be used to verify the article content. These sources have to be cited in the article, so that any reader can read the source in order to establish that was written is correct. Primary sources or content that is hearsay (Thus cannot be verified by readers) are not considered reliable sources for an article. In other words: What needs to be done is citing reliable sources such as magazine entries, newspapers article's and so on to the article to verify its content (See WP:REFB for assistance on how to do this).

As for the neutrality issue - you correctly mentioned one of the issues. As a few examples:

• owns the largest and finest facility for croquet in the world (Non neutral, promotional)
• not just great players but also the well-known celebrities who kept "serious croquet" alive as an ideal in America (Non neutral / promotional)
• See the complete listing and references for the Croquet Foundation of America's Croquet Hall of Fame. (LINK) (Promotional, linkspam)
• Special free and low-cost programs and events for these casual forms of croquet are regularly produced at the National Croquet Center (Promotional)

Keep in mind that neutrality translated to "It is not an opinion" in these cases. Wording such as "largest and finest" is still a judgment \ opinion, regardless as to whether or not most people would agree with it. Just evade these terms altogether.

Hope this helps, and with kind regards, Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 08:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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