User talk:Redrose64/unclassified 3

A call to Arms

Hi. I've left a message for you here, when you're back from the sun. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 16:09, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiThanks

WikiThanks

Cheers for this. benzband (talk) 19:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Banner logic question

In this example the WikiProject Banner was causing an error because I accidentally removed a set of brackets for WikiProject Biography. I'm not sure what caused this error to display but I have noticed that in some cases the Expansion depth is exceeded on pages that don't have that much going on. I'm not sure if there is a bigger fix needed but I wanted to let you know. Kumioko (talk) 00:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

There's lots of red text; most of that is fallout (although I do notice several cases of "Expansion depth limit exceeded"). The red text begins 'Warning: Default sort key "Garrison, Jim' and ends '" overrides earlier default sort key "Garrison, Jim".' which suggests that the problem concerns a |listas= parameter. Looking closer, I see the following:

{{WikiProject Biography
|class=B
|priority=
|politician-work-group=yes
|living=no|listas=Garrison, Jim
{{WikiProject United States|class=Start|importance=Low|LA=yes|LA-importance=mid|NOLA=yes|NOLA-importance=mid|listas=Garrison, Jim|TX=yes|TX-importance=Low}}
}}

that is, the {{WikiProject United States}} has been tacked onto the end of the |listas=Garrison, Jim instead of being put outside the {{WikiProject Biography}}. WikiProject banners cannot be nested inside each other in this manner - any nesting needs to be done by means of the |TF_1_LINK= parameters or the hook parameters in {{WPBannerMeta}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 06:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I do know that a project cannot be nested inside another one but in the years I've been here this is the first time I had seen this type of problem so I thought I should bring it up. The nesting wasn't done intentionally and was easily identified and fixed but I didn't think that it should even work that way. I figured the WP Biography template would just break and not function but since it came after the listas I guess was the problem causing it to error that way. Kumioko (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Technically, the {{WikiProject United States}} wasn't after the |listas=Garrison, Jim but part of it. Thus, when that |listas= was still being processed, there was an unexpected call to expand {{WikiProject United States}}. Since |listas= isn't a simple choice (like yes/no)) but allows any reasonable string value, it could potentially contain templates. The actual processing is in Template:WPBannerMeta/core and consists of the following:

{{#if:{{{listas|}}}
  |{{DEFAULTSORT:{{{listas}}}}}
}}

The {{DEFAULTSORT:}} behavior switch expects a simple string, and so templates used in a |listas= should therefore yield a simple string. It's not really possible to pre-check whether a template does that or not, so misplacing a WikiProject banner inside a |listas= isn't a situation which can easily be trapped and so fail gracefully. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks, that actually makes sense. Kumioko (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

MLB player

it would be great if you could take care of this request. it seems very uncontroversial, and will vastly simplify the usage of the template. we should do the same to all of the sports person templates. the one's that use {{infobox}} should be fine, so it's just the ones that don't. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:36, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Improve

Hi, thanks for this, I didn't know what Yeovil station it was. Have you go any improvements for the article? --Chip123456 (talk) 19:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Congrats on 57K edits...hope you achieve many more... ƬheStrikeEagle AMRAAM 14:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Querying an edit

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=InterCity_125&oldid=497433307

Are you sure HST's end up St David's? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely. St David's is the principal station for Exeter, and is the junction of four routes. Central is part-way along one of those routes, the one to London Waterloo (a line along which HSTs do not operate), and is the junction for the Exmouth branch. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Of course , HTH ! :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Multiple issues

As you have been involved (slightly!) in the discussion about the new version of this template, I wonder if you would mind commenting there about whether you are happy for the current configuration to be deployed. This is so that it doesn't appear to be just me acting unilaterally and that we have a consensus for these changes. Thanks! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Exeter St David's

The station sign may lack an apostrophe, but national rail lists it with one. Also archive your talk page, 200 sections is ridiculous. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

National Rail's website does indeed show an apostrophe - but Network Rail's downloadable PDF timetables (such as Table 135 National Rail timetable, May 12) don't, and nor do the websites of the three operators CrossCountry Trains, First Great Western and South West Trains. Books published in the last couple of years such as:

• Yonge, John; Padgett, David (2010) [1989]. Bridge, Mike (ed.). Railway Track Diagrams 3: Western (5th ed.). Bradford on Avon: Trackmaps. map 7A. ISBN 978-0-9549866-6-7. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
• Baker, Stuart K. (2010) [1977]. Rail Atlas Great Britain & Ireland (12th ed.). Hersham: Oxford Publishing Co. p. 3, section A2 & inset section A1. ISBN 978-0-86093-632-9. 1010/C. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

also show the non-apostrophe form. Besides those, and File:Exeter St Davids platform 6 signs.jpg, the name of the Wikipedia article Exeter St Davids railway station uses the non-apostrophe form. The only one with the apostrophe is National Rail's website. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I count 2 sources - you yourself used it a few sections up. Now archive! -mattbuck (Talk) 22:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Just 200 sections? That's nothing. See User talk:Joy for a really crazy talk page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

In #Querying an edit above, the issue was not punctuation, but where HSTs terminate. I mistakenly put an apostrophe, probably because I got lazy and copypasted some of Sfan00 IMG's text. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Signature

RedRose,

Thanks for the heads up on my signature. I didn't see what it was breaking, but I did fix the missing </b>. Also,my name is visible in my signature. My handle is KoshVorlon, Kosh is the short form of it. And yeah, I prefer a bit of an artistic signature, but am open to changing it on request. "....We are all Kosh...."  <-Babylon-5-> 11:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

My recent edits

Thank you for your help and assistance with Wikipedia ettiqute on my recent edits. I will be taking your suggestions onboard. Martin H. Heron (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Caledonian Railway classes

Please comment on my proposed changes at Talk:Caledonian Railway 670 Class. Biscuittin (talk) 08:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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Um. Note to WikiJaguars: this edit introduced the piped link to John McGlynn, which was altered to a redlink with this edit. In this edit, I was merely diverting that bad link to something sensible. Does anybody have a better suggestion? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Parsing help needed

Hello.

You have previously (in January) helped me with exposing a parameter in Template:2008 Summer Olympics United States men's volleyball team roster using the {{#tag:ref function.

I am now wondering if it is possible to combine that with the <ref name= function, so the same tag/ref won't have to be repeated several times over within the same template, see Template:2012 Summer Olympics United States women's football team roster.

Thanks in advance.

HandsomeFella (talk) 13:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

It's certainly possible, and in fact {{sfn}} relies on that very fact. The form is:

{{#tag:ref|reference text goes here|name=ref name goes here}}

note that the |name= must be after the ref text. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Aha, that's where I went wrong, I placed it first. Many thanks. HandsomeFella (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I have another problem with the same template, Template:2012 Summer Olympics United States women's football team roster. I am trying to find a way of determining from the input parameter df (date format) whether to pass "df=y", for the value "dmy", nothing (as "mf=y" is the default in Template:Birth date and age2) for the value "mdy", or "df=y", as default, by using this code:

{{#switch:{{{df}}}|dmy=df{{=}}y|mdy=|df{{=}}y}}}}

One would have thought that, when viewing the template itself, with no parameter value present, the switch would have passed the default value of "df=y", just as the date format in the references defaults to dmy. But obviously it doesn't, as players' dob are displayed in mdy format. I tried with passing "mf=y" (instead of nothing) for the value "mdy", and adding "#default=", which is described in Help:Extension:ParserFunctions, but to no avail.

Can you help me again?

Thanks

HandsomeFella (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

{{Birth date and age2}} doesn't have a |mf= parameter - the only formatting parameter is |df=. If this is blank or absent, the format is mdy; but if |df= is filled in with any value at all, the format is dmy. We can use the fact that there is only one named parameter, with only two possible values (blank/absent vs. non-blank) to rationalise the roster code.

Consider the first row; the {{Birth date and age2}} portion of this is as follows:

{{birth date and age2|2012|7|26|1981|7|30|{{#switch:{{{df}}}|dmy=df{{=}}y|mdy=|df{{=}}y}}}}

I think that this is overcomplicated. As noted, as far as {{Birth date and age2}} is concerned, a blank |df= is the same as one that's absent, so let's begin by getting that outside the switch:

{{birth date and age2|2012|7|26|1981|7|30|df={{#switch:{{{df}}}|dmy=y|mdy=|y}}}}

But there are only two desired outcomes - use month-first form when {{2012 Summer Olympics United States women's football team roster}} has been invoked with |df=mdy, otherwise use date-first form. Therefore, a {{#switch:}} is unnecessary and one of the {{#if:}} variants can be used instead.

{{birth date and age2|2012|7|26|1981|7|30|df={{#ifeq:{{{df|}}}|mdy||y}}}}

So, wherever you've put |{{#switch:{{{df}}}|dmy=df{{=}}y|mdy=|df{{=}}y}}, replace that with |df={{#ifeq:{{{df|}}}|mdy||y}} --Redrose64 (talk) 15:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

It worked! Jeez, how do you do that? Thank you very much! HandsomeFella (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Because of all the excellent work I frequently see you doing with railway and railway station articles, this barnstar has been a very long time in the making. But while I'm at it, I'd also like to extend my thanks for your talk-participation and testing that helped get the new {{article issues}} template launched. You're such a big help to this project in so many ways. Thank you! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 10:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much! --Redrose64 (talk) 11:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You're most certainly welcome... and my apologies are in order if it appeared as if I had ignored any of your replies or comments on the template talk-page. I read it all, but was a bit hesitant to reply in a couple cases having found some posts a bit late in the discussion. Have yourself a great day Redrose64. Stay well, and happy editing! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 12:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Bideford, Westward Ho!, etc

Many thanks for all the work you have done on this topic! A childhood passion of mine. Rosser Gruffydd 21:11, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

AGF

Apparently nominating for deletion a bunch of crufty articles on non-notable fan-magazines with no hope of expansion makes me a 'bad guy'

When you get "go fuck your self" I hope you like it there.Oranjblud (talk) 23:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Oranjblud I think you should withdraw that. You have only been here 4 months and you are going at this like a bull in a china shop. It must be obvious to you that you have put a lot of people's backs up with what Redrose64 rightly describes as a drive-by mass deletion attempt. Doesn't that give you pause? Wikipedia is a collaborative enterprise and you will not fare well here if you are determined to alienate other editors. -- Alarics (talk) 08:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

template fix

hiya,

just to say thanks for fixing the template for me, it was the one thing i have been trying to fix in sandbox for a while now i just need to add more options and finish the conversion to make it simpler to use, thanks again--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 14:04, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

template:fcitation

Hi. I just stumbled into this new suite of 'fast' templates. They're fast because they're cut down, and I'm seeing them break pages they've been deployed to; specifically breaking harv/sfn links. Where's the most centralised page to discuss this? I'm not against faster, but am opposed to breakage and forking. The usual templates are too fat, and slimming them down would be good. These I believe go too far. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 04:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Wikid77 and new 'fast' citation templates Br'er Rabbit (talk) 05:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

It's been shifted to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Wikid77 and new 'fast' citation templates. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks & request

Hi! Thanks for fixing my edit at Template talk:ITN talk. Actually, |done did work when I did that edit, because I had just before adapted {{editprotected}} to support that. It's been since undone for further discussion. Would you mind commenting at Template talk:Edit protected#Waldir's changes? Thanks, Waldir ^talk 17:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

template help

Hiya,

I am just wondering if you can help me fix the sandbox version of my template since you fixed the main one jsut now.

{{actalk/sandbox}}

basically wha ti am trying to do is change it from invidual switches with p parameter to switch depending on the polocie short hand provide, but i am also trying to preserve the old |p parameter since i have used the template a few time i fi remove it then the old things i have posted will look weird, i also need it to display the signature for the person copyediting my talk posts when only the template name is given ie {{actalk}}, if you are able to point me in the right direction to incorporates the current way it is working preferable with less switches and no parameter set with the new switch coding i appreciated it--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 18:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Let's have a look at one thing at a time. Am I right in thinking that you wish to be able to use {{actalk/sandbox|3rr}} {{actalk/sandbox|or}} etc. instead of {{actalk/sandbox|p=3rr}} {{actalk/sandbox|p=or}} etc. but to behave in the same way? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

yes so since i have used {{actalk|p=rfc}} and the other ones quite a few times i dnt want them broke when changing it to just {{actalk|rfc}}Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 13:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Rather than use four #switch: constructs, I would use just one, like this:

{{#switch:{{lc:{{#if:{{{p|}}}|{{{p}}}|{{{1|}}} }} }}
  |3rr=[[wp:3RR|3RR]]
  |or=[[wp:OR|Original Research]]
  |rfc=[[wp:RFC|Request for Comment]]
  |rs=[[wp:RS|Reliable Source]]
  |rss=[[wp:RS|Reliable Sources]]
}}

--Redrose64 (talk) 13:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

ah i never thought about if switch like that ill give it try and go from there, thanks again for you help, just wodnering why you dnt have automatic archiving or even manual archiving?--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 14:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for all your help on Wikipedia and insisting me with the infobox! Activism1234 21:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi

What was wrong with my editing >_>--XxTR1CKZzxx (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Adding "I WANT CANDY" to a whole heap of articles is not constructive. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

WP Horse Racing in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Horse Racing for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Changing username

Moved to WP:VPT § Change of name

 – Redrose64 (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

day= is deprecated

Hi, you made an edit on Plasma Cosmology and other pages saying '|day= is deprecated - use |date= if all three components are available'. Are you sure that's right, because it does not result in a reference with a standard format? e.g. after your edit a reference became: AL Peratt, J Green and D Nielson (20 June 1980). "Evolution of Colliding Plasmas". Physical Review Letters 44: 1767 - 1770. But before it was in the correct standard format: AL Peratt, J Green and D Nielson (1980). "Evolution of Colliding Plasmas". Physical Review Letters 44: 1767 - 1770. Aarghdvaark (talk) 08:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Before my edit, the three citations showed like this:

After my edit, they show like this:

Both versions show a full date, in fact there is no visual difference between them. However, using separate parameters - specifically, the presence of |day= - puts the page into Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

You are correct! well, I hadn't expected the s/w to display as it did. How to go about just showing the year? Simply remove the day and month tags would be a workaround I suppose? Thanks. Aarghdvaark (talk) 10:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you could use |year=1980 |year=2012 and |year=2006 respectively instead of the |date= parameters, if that is the established style for the article.

However, not all readers of Wikipedia articles are academics: you need to consider readers who are not familiar with a given journal's shortened name, or its issue numbering system - they may not know that "Phys. Plasmas 19 (3)" means Physics of Plasmas volume 19 issue 3, so the year alone may not be sufficient for them to locate the source text. In my experience many journals appear more than once a year (anything from three to 53 times), so it's a good idea to include the month - and for the weeklies, such as Physical Review Letters, the full date will avoid ambiguity. On that basis, we now have this:

that is, one with |date=, and two with |month= and |year=. Hope this helps. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Broken reference links

Have you considered that removing an explicit year parameter breaks Parenthetical referencing? Many of the citation templates depend upon the year parameter to generate the anchor to which a reference is linked, particularly {{citation}} which does it automatically; if {{cite journal}} (or related) has a | ref = harv parameter this applies too. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 13:52, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The Citation Style 1 and Citation Style 2 templates are written in such a way that if |date= contains a valid date, the year is extracted from that automatically. Please give an example of where Shortened footnotes have been broken by any of my edits. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't, but in any case you have just answered my question—and settled my worry—perfectly, thank you. —Phil | Talk 14:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

You've got a message!

{{talkback|Chip123456}} Somebody's replied to your TPS post :) Chip¹²³⁴⁵⁶ 15:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw it. But there's no way that an article should be CSD'd after just 18 mins, if the WP:NPP patrollers are following the recommendation to patrol pages from the back of the unpatrolled backlog. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I'll link Callan here for him to see.--Chip¹²³⁴⁵⁶ 18:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Redrose64, hmm I agree, but if that where to be the case (ie patrol from the back) then it would be a long time before attack pages, pure vandalism (etc) were tagged for deletion. Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 03:48, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

2012 Olympics

Hello R. I meant to leave this yesterday so it may be too late to fully enjoy the thought by the time you read it. I don't know what all the fuss is about regarding who will be the last person carrying the torch into the Olympic Stadium tonight. I thought we had already seen documentary footage of the event that slipped through a wormhole six years ago :-) If you are into the Olympics I hope that you enjoy the coverage. If you aren't, at least, when they are over we will be that much closer to new stories featuring our favourite Time Lord. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 19:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

They've had a relay for the Olympic Torch, starting at Land's End and going around the UK (and part of Ireland), and ending at the Olympic stadium tonight. This relay covered about 8000 miles, with the torch carrier changing every mile. The 8000 or so people chosen for this have been a mixture of sporting notables, other celebs and local worthies. Most of the names have been secret until the actual handover. It's now just gone 20:10 UK time, so the opening ceremony officially begins in 50 mins time. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. After they aired the "Olympics" episode of AbFab here in the US two nights ago I had visions of Patsy and Eddy struggling to take the torch out of the 10th Dr's grip so they could light a cigarette but that would ruin the decorum of the event ;) Have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 19:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I've recorded that AbFab, but haven't watched it yet. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• More at 2012 Summer Olympics torch relay. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the link. reading it was fascinating. The fact that they went all the way to the Shetlands made me wonder if that is the farthest north the torch has ever been for a Summer Olympics. I know it was farther north when the Winter Games were held at Lillehammer and I know that Helsinki hosted the Summer Games back in the 50s but I don't think that the torch relay was as big a deal back then so they might not have taken it all over the country before the games began. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 01:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Type 2

I don't quite know what happened there, but thanks for spotting it! Deltahedron (talk) 06:26, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Row alignment in template:Cite book/doc

Hi, the good work you did here keeps getting undone. Is there another way to do it? Maybe with dots rather than blank lines? – Fayenatic London 07:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any damage more recent than my fix of 16 January 2012 - recent non-minor changes such as this one have preserved the relative positions. But if such protection is necessary, I think that dots would be obtrusive: so if you use a   on each line which is otherwise blank, this will prevent certain "tools" from collapsing the intentional multiple blank lines down to one. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah! I've figured out my problem now. I have to make the browser window wider, otherwise the first column of the table wraps all the way down, column 3 in a few places, and col 2 not at all unless the window is really narrow.

I tried inserting |style=white-space:nowrap as shown at Help:Table, but it still wraps (when I preview the page). Is there a way to make the table fixed-width? If the window is too narrow, it should force a horizontal scroll bar to appear, rather than wrapping the contents & losing the alignment as at present. – Fayenatic London 12:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Character recognition in #ParserFunctions

Can you confirm or comment on my thinking:
I use parser functions to handle Braille (like #switch:). So far I use numbered cell-id's, like [braille pattern dots-]"1356" not ⠵ (U+2835), the straight numbers, to be sure the id is correctly read. I was afraid that the straight Braille character ⠵ might not be identifying for 1356. But maybe I am mixing font-issues up with code-issues.
So now my hypothesis is: in WP code, such a character ⠵ will be recognised and so can be used without doubt (only the font can give trouble). Am I correct? -DePiep (talk) 09:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I don't know. The character ⠵ looks to me like a box containing the figures 2835; this most likely means that it's a character not found among the fonts installed on my PC. I suspect that you're asking me because of this edit - but that was a bugfix for the problem described at Help talk:Table#bug. Try WP:VPT. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, VPT. (that was a different issue, but that's how I remembered yourname). Thanx. -DePiep (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

City of Death

Saw your response to my CN tags at The Ark in Space (I'm still working through reformatting the classic series pages from bulleted lists to paragraphs), and I was wondering what you thought about City of Death. I think it just needs some clean-up (relocating continuity and cast notes mainly). It would be worth having an article to model the other serials around. I plan on adding this to the reception section. Let me know what you think, thanks! Glimmer721 ^talk 02:25, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The first 15-20% - that credited to Christopher Bahn - looks good as a source for audience reception, although some people might shout WP:SPS (the WP:ALBUM people have a page dedicated to permissible sources for reviews). The remainder, which totals over 200 comments by readers, should in my opinion be ignored entirely. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:26, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Well of course I was going to ignore the comments like in any other article. I was just going to add Bahn's review. Glimmer721 ^talk 14:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay I believe I have now cleaned the page up reasonably. I'd like to put an image of Adams in the production section, although I'm not sure what the caption should be. There are a few IMDB references and some statements without any references, mainly about recurring cast members. I don't know if you have any references for these, but I could probably come up with something. What do you think? Glimmer721 ^talk 21:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a look, but not necessarily tonight. A lot of the stuff about recurring cast members falls under WP:FANCRUFT - somebody's watched a story, then a different story, and noticed that one actor has appeared in both, playing two different parts. They then deem this a significant fact which must be mentioned in the articles about both stories; but rarely do they source it. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I know, especially as re-using actors is a common British practice. I removed Graham as trivia and shortened Halliday's based on another source. What about the director? Glimmer721 ^talk 21:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Directors are a different matter. Throughout the "classic" period of DW, directors were never freelancers - they were all BBC staff, usually attached to the drama department. They were selected by the producer, usually based upon their previous work; and if previous work included DW, so much the better - the producer will know that the potential director knows how DW "works"; and will approach the story in a known manner. Somebody like Peter Grimwade for example, who worked under all DW producers from Derrick Sherwin to John Nathan-Turner will have got his repeat calls based on what he had already showed that he was capable of. Michael Hayes has less DW work, but CoD was not his first; and he appears to have worked as a BBC staff director since about 1960 see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I see. Do you have a source (like a book or something) that lists his other DW contributions? Currently it's sourced by IMDB, and I didn't see anything on the BBC website. If not, I'm sure I can piece something together. Glimmer721 ^talk 20:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

There's plenty of books which list the stories, and give credits for each (incl. director); but to work through these, story by story, seems like WP:OR to me. Fortunately, somebody else has already done it:

• Lofficier, Jean-Marc (1981). The Doctor Who Programme Guide - Volume 2: What's What and Who's Who. London: Target Books. ISBN 0-426-20142-6. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

and its revision:

• Lofficier, Jean-Marc (1991). Doctor Who: The Terrestrial Index. London: Target Books. ISBN 0-426-20361-5. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

In these we find categorised alphabetical lists, including the following entries:

HAYES (Michael): Director 5D, 5F, 5H (Lofficier 1981, p. 99)

Hayes, Michael Dir 5D, 5F, 5H (Lofficier 1991, p. 105)

--Redrose64 (talk) 21:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I added it to the article. Glimmer721 ^talk 18:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Brestovany - User Lenka333

Hi I have a problem regarding the moving of the page user Lenka333. It is clearly a user page however it only contains the information about the Brestovany. Should I move user page what I dont prefer or should I let it and create a new page? Thanks for the answer.--BranoDD (talk) 21:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The page User:Lenka333 was created by Lenka333 (talk · contribs); it would appear to be a test page, and as such is legitimate use of user space (see Wikipedia:User pages), so generally speaking, it should be left alone. That said, user pages shouldn't be in article categories, so it shouldn't be in Category:Villages and municipalities in Trnava District; accordingly, I have disabled that with this edit.

Don't move the page: there is already a live article Brestovany which the same user has worked on; this covers the same village. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I see, thank you for the assistance.--BranoDD (talk) 22:08, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

One more thing, sorry to bother you, but when I added geobox in Čaradice, the old coordinates apppear in the top right corner together with the new ones. Is there any way to sort it out? Thank you.--BranoDD (talk) 20:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC) I think it is okay now I just deleted the template coordintes from the older version.Br,--BranoDD (talk) 20:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

As you noticed, this is because there is a {{coord}} somewhere in the article, in addition to the latitude and longitude in the geobox; and as you also noticed, the fix is simple: remove that superfluous {{coord}}, as you did here. If we do nothing about it, it'll show up in Wikipedia:Database reports/Articles containing overlapping coordinates at about 12:00 UTC on 9 August. This report is one that I work through on a weekly basis. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

ISBN

For the Jeanne Hearn Schmedlen book cited for James R. Kelley, "9-9667794-0-1" is on the copyright page, but I compute the check digit to be ten (X), so I put that in the inline citation, that is ISBN 9966-779-40-X. Am I correct? If so, then I need to correct the inline citation elsewhere. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Your calculation seems to be correct: when I click that ISBN link, I don't get the message which is what I was getting for the previous cases. However, the links further down the page, when clicked, yield messages like "Your search - isbn:996677940X - did not match any book results." (Google Book Search), "Your search did not match any products." (Amazon) or "No results match your search for 'isbn:996677940X'." (WorldCat). --Redrose64 (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

It would seem that the Pennsylvania House of Representatives published the book with an incorrect ISBN, so there is not much that we Wikipedia editors can do about it, unless, of course, they issue a new edition of the book with a correct ISBN. Meanwhile, I have to change the ISBN in other articles about PA Speakers that I have created. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:14, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Delta opioid receptor

I see that you just moved the page to the Greek letter character for "delta". However, I want to make you aware of two details. Every source out there renders the "delta" as the lower-case Greek letter, instead of the capital Greek letter, the way the page now appears. If this is going to be done consistently, then you should also take a look at mu opioid receptor and kappa opioid receptor, where the same lower-case Greek usage applies. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Partial retraction: now I see that the lowercase display is working correctly, sorry. I don't know why it displayed as capital for me a moment ago. (?) --Tryptofish (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I did it as a result of this requested move and this thread at VPT. Please note that although the new article name is technically Δ-opioid receptor, it displays as δ-opioid receptor because of the {{lowercase}} right at the start. Links to delta opioid receptor are WP:NOTBROKEN. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why similar moves cannot also be done for the others. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, as I look further, Talk:Δ-opioid receptor still shows the capital letter. That's just plain wrong. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

That's easily fixed. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

A couple things

Hello again R. RC87 left a new note about his ERB links a day or so ago in this thread User talk:MarnetteD#External links removed that you had posted at before. If you have a second, and are so inclined, would you please take a look at their link and leave a message either on my talk page or RC87s about the viability of those EL. The other thing is that it is clear to me that 216.31.246.114 (talk · contribs) is being used by TVArchivistUK (talk · contribs). Your name is used in the IP edit summaries and they are leaving the same kind of sour grapes messages on talk pages that TVA used to do. I am wondering if you anything should be done about it. I will most certainly understand if you would rather ignore both of these but I didn't want to let more time go by without making you aware of them. Thanks for your time and have a nice weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 00:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

The typical cycle is: an IP alters a TBA date to a real date; I revert as unsourced; a different IP comes along, redoes the first edit but with a source (normally a bare URL) - in the edit summary they make some statement about me having "approved" or "not approved" the DVD release, or something like that, implying WP:OWN problems on my part. Whatever I respond, it'll escalate. If I template them, they'll merely change IP and jack it up another notch. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of the EL question and my commiserations regarding the pettiness of TVA. I appreciate all the good work that you do improving WikiP aa well as all the assistance you provide other editors in different areas of the encyclopedia. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Need a second opinion on something

I have found quite a few articles later like Talk:Aly Raisman that have Template:WPBannerMeta directly transcluded. Before I go yanking all these off is there something new about doing this I didn't know about yet? Kumioko (talk) 02:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

At first glance I assumed that the project banners had been used in the proper manner but with a slight difference - substituted in error, i.e. {{subst:WikiProject Gymnastics}} instead of the correct form {{WikiProject Gymnastics}}. However, looking more carefully I realise that this cannot be the case - there are instances of <includeonly> and </includeonly> which would have been stripped during substitution (the content between them would remain). For example, there is a line as follows:

|substcheck=<includeonly>{{subst:</includeonly><includeonly>substcheck}}</includeonly>

which if the banner really had been substituted, would instead have been

|substcheck=SUBST

Similarly, there are unreplaced parameters such as {{{class|B}}} which would have become a simple B. I suspect that the person placing the banners has opened up the page source for {{WikiProject Gymnastics}}, copied all the code in there and pasted it into the talk page, adding in the class and importance - i.e. where the banner code had

|class={{{class|}}}

|importance={{{importance|}}}

they've altered these to

|class={{{class|B}}}

|importance={{{importance|High}}}

It's clearly a misuse of the project banners, and these should be fixed. The first thing to do is to determine which project banner was intended - if the |BANNER_NAME= parameter of the {{WPBannerMeta}} is present, that's almost certainly the right one; if that's absent, a clue is in the |PROJECT= parameter. Having identified the banner, the second thing to do is to compare the {{WPBannerMeta}} in the true project banner against that in the talk page, to see if anything has been altered (such as the lines for the class/importance as noted above). This will indicate which parameters should be fed into the project banner. Then you can simply remove the {{WPBannerMeta}} and replace it with a proper project banner, with suitable parameters, like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I have seen it on a couple dozen and removed a few before asking you in case they were supposed to be there after I started seeing more. A trend seems to be WikiProject Olympics. Do you have access to see how many pages have this? Kumioko (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Not easily; I've fixed up Talk:Jordyn Wieber as well, and since both that and Talk:Aly Raisman were done by the same editor on 19 July 2012, I was going to go through their other Talk: space edits from that day, plus a few days either side. I intend tackling these during today. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks. Its probably better that way anyway. I'm probably not going to be editing too much. Kumioko (talk) 14:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that I've fixed those from this editor: they began with this edit which seems to be a misunderstanding of how to add class/importance ratings. There were several more in the next 33 minutes; but after a further gap of 48 mins they started using the normal method. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Apart from the six talk pages that I fixed, are you aware of any others where this problem existed (whether fixed or not)? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I fixed a few myself before asking you but I didn't look at what editor did them. If I find anymore I'll let you know. Kumioko (talk) 19:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Must have been somebody other than IShadowed (talk · contribs) then, because I fixed all the matching edits done by that editor - your name wasn't in the history for any of them. We may have a case where IShadowed copied, or was copied by, somebody else. If I find out who that was, I can track the other infoboxes down.

Anyway, I've set up a doc page for Template:WikiProject Gymnastics - previously it had none, so possibly people were guessing at its parameters and usage. It wasn't too difficult, since it recognises just six parameters, five of which - |class= |importance= |listas= |small= |category= - are absolutely standard, and the sixth |needs-infobox= is almost so. I also need to add a param list to Template:WikiProject Olympics/doc too, but that'll be more difficult since {{WikiProject Olympics}} has some parameters which I've never written documentation for before. Six - |class= |importance= |listas= |small= |auto= |category= - are standard; two - |Paralympics= |Olympic Bids= - are ordinary yes/no taskforce switches; but then we have three - |peer-review= |peer-review-title= |old-peer-review= - which I'm not yet sure how best to tackle. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:57, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Redrose64 (talk) 11:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

GA

I've started the review process of District_Railway at Talk:District_Railway/GA2 - there's nothing interesting at the page yet, but there should be in a couple of hours. Fayedizard (talk) 16:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

First pass is up. More tomorrow :) Fayedizard (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey - just as a gentle reminder, the review was a few days ago and there hasn't been much activity - do we need to talk about an extension? Fayedizard (talk) 13:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that this may be necessary, since Edgepedia (talk · contribs) isn't currently active. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Who missing episodes web cite correction

Many thanks for that. The cite that was there before was clearly advertising for a reseller, hence my change to the link I included. However, my area of interest doesn't often yield web sources and hence the format mangling. User:Natty10000 ^{[Stop me before I edit again!]} 22:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hi again Redrose64. One of the IPs started acting up again tonight and another editor who was protecting my talk page started this thread at ANI Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#IP User:64.175.39.242 Legal threat on talk page of User:MarnetteD. In trying to be thorough to explain what was going on I mentioned the attacks on you so I wanted to let you know about that ASAP. I have a feeling that you might not have wanted to deal with it in quite this manner so my apologies for any inconvenience. It is late here so I might not be back for several hours so I'll find out what happens later today. Again my apologies and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 07:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Did I misstep? I saw legal threats against myself and MarnetteD, and made the ANI report. The rest just rolled from there when the IP went a bit ballistic. --Drmargi (talk) 07:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that it's been bubbling under for a few weeks now, it was just a case of when it would break. However, the ANI was closed before I read this, so I cannot contribute to it. But thanks guys, let's see if there's any further similar activity. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

We're on our toes now, all three of us. If they pop up again, we'll be ready. --Drmargi (talk) 06:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

First ever Reading Wiki Meetup

You are invited to the first ever Reading Wiki Meetup which will take place at Copa, 76-78 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 3BJ on Sunday 23 September 2012 from 1.00 pm.

I hope as many people as possible will be able to attend so that we can make this a regular event. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Berkshire related topics. Bring your laptop if you like and use the free Wifi or just bring yourself. Even better, bring a friend! Click the link for full details. Looking forward to seeing you. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Replied there --Redrose64 (talk) 23:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox German location

Moved to Template talk:Infobox German location#Establishment dates II

 – Redrose64 (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Infobox film

• Template talk:Infobox film#Edit request on 13 August 2012: do not categorize when not in mainspace

I have calmed down now. I'm willing to answer your last comment on the matter of my frustration, and to try to explain myself. However, I'm comfortable letting it drop if that's what you'd prefer, so please let me know. The way I see it there's no sense risking that I might be unintentionally antagonistic if you aren't interested. There will be no hard feelings on my part either way. BigNate37_(T) 18:31, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

At the moment, there are arguments both for and against, so although I will continue to watchlist the page, I don't yet wish to action your request. See the section immediately above this for a recent example of me carrying out an infobox amendment that wasn't fully supported; alternatively, Template talk:Infobox comedian#Microformat fix for a recent example where I checked the proposed change, found some faults and amended it - the original requestor was glad that I had done so. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:44, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I still consider my request to have been withdrawn. What thoughts I have regarding the template have been left on the template's talk page. Insofar as my comment here on your talk page goes, I was only addressing the matter of my having been frustrated with you. It was difficult for me to respond in a controlled manner at the time and I feel as though you're mistaken as to what it was that bothered me. Now that I'm comfortable discussing it, I just wanted to offer as much. No worries though, we seem to be having recurring difficulties catching one another's meanings. BigNate37_(T) 19:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

AN

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Mark Parrot (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes: and in exactly which thread would that be? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Seems unlikely - this is the user's 3rd edit, all were to tell people about AN. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:21, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Second actually; see my reply to the user's first posting. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

New parameter for ABBR template

Could I trouble you to check Template talk:Abbr#New class parameter, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for correcting the title of R (Jackson) v Attorney General

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Template:Infobox German location

Hi Redrose. Is it fair to assume that you've given up on fixing the establishment year problem? If that's indeed the case, I'll go ahead and ask for help at WP:BOTREQ so that we can just remove the problematic code from the template. Of course if you want to have another go at fixing the template, I'm in no rush. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 19:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I was waiting for others to offer opinion on my proposed criteria. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. Let's wait some more. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 19:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

CBS Records redux

Someone is trying to put too much info on the CBS Records article about the former CBS Records entity which is now Sony Music Entertainment. Please investigate and possible head off a possible edit war in the CBS Records article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess I've been asked because I commented on this matter just twice before - two years ago at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Labels#CBS Records to be precise. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Woodlands Road Metrolink station

Redrose64, I understand it is you who removed my edits to Woodlands Rd Metrolink. I have re-inserted them with references added. I presume that is what citations means. I have obviously done something wrong because the urls etc appear in the references rather than just the reference title, however they appear workable and as I am going to be out of the country for the next few days I am not able to immediately work out how to correct them and do it. Also I need to hyperlink "Railways Act 2005" to its Wikepedia entry The issue of Woodlands Road and the Metrolink generally are highly contentious and it unwise of Wikepedia to rely on Metrolink`s spin eg Metrolink claim a service frequency ( they do not have a proper timetable as a conventional rail or bus company would understand it )which is seldom adhered to so even the statement "trams stopping every 6 minutes is inaccurate" needs supposed inserting Please note I know what I am talking about and as an expert witness inc high court cases I am scrupulous in checking my facts. I have added a history of the whole Woodlands Road saga so you are aware of some of the issues. If answering could you please use my E-Mail below necause as you will gather I am not particularly into Wikepedia. Regards (Redacted)

APPENDIX C A Detailed History The detailed history of Woodlands Road Station and how it came to have a reduced service is as follows:-

3rd March 1913, The Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway opens Woodlands Road Station, hereafter referred to as Woodland Road, on the Manchester to Bury via Crumpsall line. 6th April 1992 Metrolink tram services start serving Woodlands Road replacing the main line electric trains, which had operated since 1913 opening. Sometime in 2007/8 The Association of Greater Manchester Authorities (AGMA), Manchester City Council (MCC) and the Greater Manchester Integrated Transport Authority (GMITA)[later Greater Manchester Public Transport Executive (GMPTE) then Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM)] apply to the Community Infrastructure Fund (CIF) for the construction of two new stations at Queens Road and Abraham Moss (see Appendix A) and the closure of Woodlands Road. The CIF was announced in the Housing Green Paper (July 2007) for transport schemes to support Growth Areas, Growth Points and Eco-towns. Schemes that did not offer direct/indirect support for housing were rejected at the second stage in a two-stage appraisal process. April 2008 Above bodies invited to submit a full business case. May 2009 Full business case submitted, produced by consultancy steer davies gleave £6.85M funding requested. Note this Report showed that nearly all the sites for significant housing development were in the neighbourhood of Queens Road with some near Woodlands Road and relatively few near Abraham Moss. 30 Oct 2009 CIF grant awarded but only for £3.84M Note, but for 2 stations, presumably Queens Road and Abraham Moss.

May 2010 Consultancy steer davies grieve produce Appraisal Report for the closure of Woodlands Road. Note this Report assumes both Queens Road and Abraham Moss are opened. 21 May 2010 MCC agrees that Abraham Moss be given priority over Queens Road “following discussions with HCA” (Homes and Communities Agency – which was administering CIF grants) Notwithstanding this HCA have said they were no concerned with questions of priority. Note this meant that the station that did not meet the criteria for CIF funding, Abraham Moss, was given priority over the station that met the criteria for CIF funding, Queens Road. July 2010 Department of Transport (DfT) receives request from GMPTE for closure of Woodlands Road. 7th July 2010 Metrolink/GMPTE hold consultation meeting at Abraham Moss School. Note, that as this was in parallel with the request to the Secretary of State for the Woodlands Road Closure clearly indicating that MCC/GMPTE/ Metrolink had made up their mind and the consultation was meaningless. 19th Aug 2010 MCC gives planning approval for the Abraham Moss. 8th December 2010 DfT announce closure notice for Woodlands Road with a consultation period ending of 9th February 2011. Note, it was pointed out that this was less than the 10 weeks required by the 2005 Railways Act. 7 Feb 2011 End of consultation date revised until 23rd March Metrolink announces delay in closure date from 28th February 2011 to 27th May 2011. 23 March 2011 End of consultation period after correction to meet the requirements of the 2005 Railways Act. 11 April 2011 Metrolink announces trams will only serve Woodlands Road between 10am and 4pm and only on weekdays from 18 April 2011 Note, one weeks notice. 18 April 2011 Reduced service at Woodlands Road as per the above commences.

The detailed history of the opposition is as follows:

Aug 2009 Media reports Leader Of MCC saying that Abraham Moss and Queens Road would be opening and Woodlands Road Closing. Sept 2009 Representations made to Councillors opposing Woodlands Road closure. October 2009 to January 2010 Petition opposing closure of Woodland Road goes around – 1300 + sign 6th Jan 2010 Petition handed in to North Manchester Regeneration Manager 7th Jan 2010 Copy of Petition handed to Metrolink/GMPTE 7th July 2010 Consultation Meeting – considerable opposition to closure voiced 1st November 2010 SoS (Save our Station0 Committee formed to fight closure. Dec 2011 to Mar 2011. Numerous letters sent to Secretary of State opposing closure plus Report rebutting points/ correcting inaccuracies made in Closure Appraisal Report. 14th Feb 2011 Demonstration at Woodland Road opposing closure. 19th March 2011 Public Meeting on Closure attended by MCC, GMPTE, Metrolink. Community attendees voiced unanimous opposition to closure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pravda2012 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Olympics

I think Ryan now has the lists he wanted. If you could ask him if he still wants a list of specifically mine I'd be grateful just to be sure. Regards.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

{{sclass}} requested edit

Redrose, would you mind reverting the requested edit you made to {{sclass}} per the discussion at Template_talk:Sclass#Edit_request_on_26_August_2012, which includes the suggestion by the original requesting editor that "my requested template change should be reverted, at least until discussion is finished"? Thanks in advance, 212.183.128.232 (talk) 21:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - much appreciated. 212.183.128.175 (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

User: 216.31.246.114

Hey, RedRose!

I saw the latest round of nonsense with the sock's talk page and had a little word with the blocking editor, DennisBrown. He's now removed talk page access, extended the block to six months (I didn't expect that big an extension!) and blanked the page. That ought to slow him down for a while. --Drmargi (talk) 01:33, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 09:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks you for the colors

Thank you for fixing the colors issue in Temecula Preparatory School. I really appreciate it. Cheers! --Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 22:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

And the map!--Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 23:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For your help with the two issues I had in the Temecula Preparatory School article. I prefer to give out fruit as a token of goodwill as it is very healthy, but if you'd like, you can dip the strawberries in chocolate. Cheers! WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 23:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Woodbridge and Bealings

Thanks for your note - i have added page numbers as advised.--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Moffat's wikiarticle

Hi R. I hope that you enjoyed last nights episode. I am wondering if you have any idea why Steven Moffat's page gets more than the usual (it seems that way to me anyway) invective and trolling. I am not aware of any ill feelings towards him over here. Has he rubbed people the wrong way in the UK? Regards. MarnetteD | Talk 14:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes thanks. Moffat is the incumbent Chief Writer, so is bound to attract criticism; more so because Russell T Davies was a hard act to follow. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. IMO he has taken what RTD started and expanded and enhanced it but that is just me. OOf I hate to think about the pounding that some who worked on the Classic series would have taken (not just JN-T) if the net had been around back then. MarnetteD | Talk 16:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Apart from some low-circulation fanzines, there was really only the DWAS and DWM (which then as now was moderated by an editorial team). DWM was launched just in time for people to start moaning about The Creature from the Pit. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

One of the highlights of my early fandom was driving from Greeley to Denver each month to get the new edition of DWM and/or the next Target book release. There was one bookstore that carried them and they had a deal with the DW Fan Club of America for 10% off for their members. Ah memories of when gas was only 50 cents a gallon. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm the nay-sayer of the group, but I find Moffat's writing and story telling a huge improvement over RTD's overwrought narratives; as someone once said, Davies could start a story but not finish one. I'm not surprised to see negative comments in various reviews about Moffat, particularly from the "first is always best" set; Jenna-Louise Coleman will get the same, I'm sure. Moffat did some brave writing by resetting canon with regard to the Daleks last night, and I'm sure he's going to catch hell for it in some quarters. Small wonder the tiny-minds and petty-deeds brigade have been at his article. --Drmargi (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

"Moffat did some brave writing by resetting canon with regard to the Daleks" I could hear River Song saying "Spoilers" as I read that part of your post :-). Again I wonder what the internets reaction would have been when Terry Nation reset the canon on his own creation with Genesis of the Daleks. MarnetteD | Talk 16:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:WikiProject Automobiles

Your reference to WP:NOTBROKEN is in error; please see my comment at Template talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Dab needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

sorry

Fixing. I'm wondering how's happen....And thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justincheng12345 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

And sorry for not signing.....I'm in a hurry to fix it ...Justincheng12345 (talk) (urgent news here) 15:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Illinois Family Institute

I am surprised to agreed so quickly to the edit request at Illinois Family Institute. It strikes me as being very POV - indeed, I have removed the relevant designation from the template itself. What reason do you have for adding it? StAnselm (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Navboxes are normally placed on the articles that they are linked to. This navbox links to several articles concerning prejudice. There was a link to Illinois Family Institute in that navbox. If there had not been, I would have rejected the request. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have removed the link from the template, and started a discussion at Template talk:LGBT#SPLC-listed hate groups. So would you be able to remove the template from the article, please? StAnselm (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

OK,  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Template

Hello there. Recently you implemented an edit notice found here. I have left details of other articles where we're hoping you'll also implement at a convenient time for you. Cheers! Zepppep (talk) 02:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Eglwyscummin

Sorry about the double grid reference: that was a typo on my part. I don't agree, however, that "it's pointless giving an accuracy of 100 m (gridref)". Whatever the size of the community area the map has to be centred somewhere inside it, and citing an accuracy of less than about 100 m frequently gives rise to a situation where the maps generated by the GeoHack toolserver display an almost, or sometimes even totally, blank area at the default zoom levels set. My experience is that six-figure GRs work well in avoiding this problem as far as the Welsh community areas are concerned. (The larger the size of the community area, and therefore the lower the density of inhabitation, the more likely this problem is to occur, in fact!) I do agree though that 1000th of a degree accuracy is sufficient for the lat./long. coordinates in this respect, and I've adjusted them accordingly. --Picapica (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The Glass House (Fulham)

Thanks so much for fixing the coordinate settings so that the push-pin works! It's a beautiful thing!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I've replied at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Help please: The Glass House. It's a quick fix, there is much else that can be cleaned up. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the pointer on adding stubs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewman327 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

An Unearthly Child

Hello! I've just come to this article because I thought it might be a good idea to try to get this up to FA and on the main page for the 50th? Someone else suggested The Doctor (Doctor Who), which would be nice, but that looks an enormous project! Anyway, as your recent edit summary says you have the first guide of that companion, would it be possible to add page numbers to the appropriate references? Just when you have time, that'd be great. Thanks. The JPS^{talk to me} 10:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Among the things on my to-do list for today is An Unearthly Child, specifically the page numbers for

• Howe, David J.; Stammers, Mark; Walker, Stephen James (1994). Doctor Who The Handbook - The First Doctor. London: Doctor Who Books. ISBN 0-426-20430-1. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

I'll see what I can do with The Doctor (Doctor Who). --Redrose64 (talk) 11:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Class 458 data

Please leave the data regarding class 458's alone.. I happen to drive the wretched units and know them from top to tail, I know that the units maximum speed is 90 mph. and if I don't know that by now after driving them for last 7½ years then I must be losing the plot, especially as it states Maximum Speed 90mph in the driving cabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wazza2012 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Then please supply a reliable third-party source, per the policy on verifiability. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

In relation to the above, just a polite warning not to edit war on articles, constructive commentary with the editor you were engaged in would have been much more helpful, as you have now learned, you've been engaging with an expert in the area you have been editing in (and is someone who I can vouch for), and Wikipedia really could make use of knowledgable editors. Don't bite them, not fight with them and please don't edit war with them. I trust you know the Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule already, but take a little time to read over it again. I don't intend to take any action against you know as obviously the article appears to have settled down, any block would be punitive rather than preventative and I'm slightly involved as I know one of the contributors, but be aware not everybody with access to the block button is likely to take the same course of action. Kind regards, Nick (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I see an IP has put the 90 mph back in, with reference to a pdf source which says "Max Speed Designed for 100 mph, limited to 90 mph with current brake disc." From the article- "Traction units will be re-geared from 90 mph maximum". I'd interpret that as a maximum speed of 100 mph, restricted to 90 mph (because of sub-standard brakes) by the gearing. Ning-ning (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be an internal Porterbrook document. I certainly wouldn't have known to hunt there. But Wikipedia is built around information obtained from third-party sources - is Porterbrook third-party? The Platform 5 book cited in Class 458 is third-party, and definitely states "Braking: Disc & regenerative; Maximum Speed: 100 mph". It's stated this - or something equivalent - in every edition since 1999; the 1998 edition, which was the first to include Class 458, didn't mention the regen brakes. Ideally we would have a ref to an article in Modern Railways or similar describing the difficulties, which explicitly states the max speed and the reasons for it being what it is. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't get hung up on third party sources, get hung up on reliable sources for articles like this. This article and the vast majority concerning railways, rolling stock etc, will have no third party sources, everything, even books, will come from the manufacturer, owner or operator. As an additional caution, there are numerous books on railways, locomotives and the like which contain a massive number of errors and inaccuracies, there's an often repeated nonsense about some of the earlier electric locomotive classes having two pantographs, one for 6.25kV and one for 25kV, despite the fact they both feed into the same transformer. Porterbrook are without question a reliable source and the internal document presented above is more than suitable as a source for the 90mph claim. We have never had an issue with referring to manufacturers or other primary sources for basic technical information before. To settle this issue, I would adopt the same approach as the British Rail Class 390 page, where a design and service speed is quoted, this then provides additional information for the reader, lets people know the units can do 100mph but for whatever reason (Porterbrook state braking issues, so WP has to go with that) the service speed is currently 90mph. I'll go and see if Ian Walmsley discussed this in his recent article in Modern Railways concerning the Cl.458 + Cl.460 rebuild program, and forward on text and a reference, but even that's not great, because Ian works for Porterbrook who own the stock... Nick (talk) 17:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit requests

I have just replied to your question at Template_talk:WikiProject_Film/class#Edit request (sorry for the late reply, posting here in case you are no longer watching that) and created a related request at Template_talk:WikiProject_Film/Checks#Edit request. --Mirokado (talk) 19:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Further responses to both those sections. --Mirokado (talk) 13:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxes again

Seeing that you sorted out the Swiss town infobox in short order can you have a look at Template:Infobox German location (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)? I found and instance where it is putting an article in Category:Articles with missing files. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It didn't take me long to find two: Bettingen, Rhineland-Palatinate and Bölsdorf. Here, it's not like {{Infobox Swiss town}} where the infobox was trying to do clever stuff by guessing the image name - instead, a non-existent image is explicitly specified in the parameters. The infoboxes have |Lageplan=Bettingen (Eifel) in BIT.svg and |Lageplan=Bölsdorf in SDL.png, but File:Bettingen (Eifel) in BIT.svg and File:Bölsdorf in SDL.png do not exist. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:52, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

So how do we fix it? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Either amend the article to link to the proper image, as here, or blank out the |Lageplan= parameter. If this parameter is blank, no redlink will be shown and so the page will not be put in Category:Articles with missing files. Blanking is often done by CommonsDelinker (talk · contribs), ImageRemovalBot (talk · contribs) or similar bots (example). I don't know enough about how these operate to comment on why they missed these pages. You could take the matter up with commons:User:Leit, who deleted the images from commons - see the pink boxes in commons:File:Bettingen (Eifel) in BIT.svg and commons:File:Bölsdorf in SDL.png - and ask them why they didn't delink the images at the time of deletion. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits

Hello Redrose64. I notice that you created Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits. Do you wish to make any comment on WP:AN3#User:Strike2216 reported by User:Zepppep (Result: )? The complaint is about long-term edit warring on that list. One of the issues is the definition of an 'active player' per Talk:List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits#Active player. I assume that there must be some consensus about the definition of an active player. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:50, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I created the editnotice in response to this request. I was not involved in the discussions which led up to that edit request; but I have now set up eight pages to use the same generic editnotice, {{List of Major League Baseball players editnotice}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. EdJohnston (talk) 13:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Churches in Richmond (several Wikipedia articles)

Thanks for pointing out the stub issue and for rectifying it on so many of the articles I created - I'll try to do it properly next time! Headhitter (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they were showing up in Wikipedia:Database reports/Stubs included directly in stub categories/1, entries 149-155. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Swiss town

Hello Redrose64, I was wondering if you'd help me out on the Infobox Swiss town template again. I've rewritten the section that looks for maps to also accept map name inputs from the map= field and I've set it up to fail gracefully if none of the possible files exist. My version is at Template:Infobox Swiss town/sandbox and I've checked it for problems with the test cases. Everything looks fine. Will you copy my new version over to the template for me, thanks. Tobyc75 (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

group=lower-roman

Thanks for that! Arcane and a bit crap implementation, but thanks for noting how to make it perform in practice. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

First ever Oxford Wiki Meetup

You are invited to the first ever Oxford Wiki Meetup which will take place at The Four Candles, 51 George Street, Oxford, OX1 2BE on Sunday 4 November 2012 from 1.00 pm.

I hope as many people as possible will be able to attend so that we can make this a regular event. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Oxford related topics. Bring your laptop if you like and use the free Wifi or just bring yourself. Even better, bring a friend! Click the link for full details. Looking forward to seeing you. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:15, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it is too early to put the geonotice up for this one as it is only just over a month away and the first ever so the more advance notice the better. Could you do that please? Thanks, Philafrenzy (talk) 12:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Done, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

In the news

Hello R. I don't know if you've seen this news item [1]. Should we tell them that when they start performing tests on the canvass that they are going to find "This is a fake" written in felt tip pen under the paint. Enjoy your weekend and the last new ep until Xmas. MarnetteD | Talk 14:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

We've just had the first broadcast of the much-delayed Room at the Top (TV film) featuring Jenna-Louise Coleman. The two episodes went out on Weds/Thurs 26-27 September 2012 but I missed ep. 1 - luckily it's to be repeated Sunday 30 Sept. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. I have a question. The recent changes to the editing page has lead to my losing the "CharInsert, adds a toolbar under the edit window for quickly inserting wiki markup and special characters" even though I still have it checked in my preferences. Do you have any idea how I can restore it? My thanks ahead of time for any assistance that you can provide. MarnetteD | Talk 15:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

This is something that's come up a lot recently at WP:VPT, also at MediaWiki talk:Edittools#It's gone!. It hasn't affected me, but from what I can gather it only affects users who have certain settings at Preferences → Editing, certain gadgets, in combination with choice of skin (MonoBook or Vector). My suggestion: go to Preferences → Editing and switch off "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". That seems to help the majority of users. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

That worked. Many thanks. CheersMarnetteD | Talk 16:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I have a favour to ask. In last nights episode the freeze frame of Amy was, to my eye, very like the one of Sarah Jane in her goodbye at the end of The Hand of Fear. It could be a coincidence but if you read or hear that they did this on purpose would you please let me know. I kind of hope that they did as it would be a nice tribute to both characters and the women who breathed life into them. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Template_talk:Non-free_Crown_copyright#Request_to_reword_template

Please check the sandbox Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

VIAFbot

Just a quick note to say thanks for spotting & helping us work out the bugs in this - we've rewritten the code to be much simpler, looking for a specific place in the article to insert the template rather than its default setup of trying to be clever! It's been tested on some mockups and seems to be working okay, so we've tried it out on some of the live articles that caused problems and it worked correctly this time, leaving stub tags where they should be.

Thanks again, Andrew Gray (talk) 23:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for being so active and sticking with us trying to roll-out Authority Control, even through the rough patches. It's appreciated. Maximilianklein (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request at Template talk:WikiProject Death

Hello! I saw that you have made at least one edit to the {{WikiProject Death}} template, and I wonder if you would be willing to take a look at my edit request there? Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Note- I also left this message for Zanimum (talk · contribs). Thanks again! --Tgeairn (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the further fix. Looks like it works now! Cheers --Tgeairn (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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Grid refs

Sorry that this sort of thing is getting on your nerves. When OS grid refs need to be emended—since I don't really understand the OS grid system—I'm just entering the decimal coordinates at http://www.nearby.org.uk and pasting in the conversion it gives me. Deor (talk) 23:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The Ordnance Survey used to print instructions on determining a grid ref for a given map feature (or finding a map location from its grid ref) on the inside cover of their maps; they stopped doing this several years ago. Grid refs are described at Ordnance Survey National Grid. Consider the grid ref that you quoted for Spetisbury railway station: this is grid reference ST 9139702180. The letters ST denote one of the 100x100 km squares shown in the chart at right (the red line is the 2°W meridian); and the figures indicate a coordinate within that square. These figures are considered as two equal-sized groups: 91397 is the "eastings"; 02180 is the "northings", and they represent a distance from the bottom-left corner of the square:

• a group of two figures is a measurement in kilometres;
• a group of three figures is a measurement in hundreds of metres;
• a group of four figures is a measurement in tens of metres;
• a group of five figures is a measurement in single metres;

and so on.

Returning now to Spetisbury railway station - we now know that the position that you gave represents 91397 metres to the east of the left-hand edge of square ST, and 02180 metres to the north of the lower edge of the same square. On this map may be seen the position of the station site (indicated by the orange disc) and a grid of pale blue lines, most of which are numbered; notice how the station site lies between vertical lines 91 & 92, and between horizontal lines 02 & 03. The station position may be given to 10 metre accuracy as ST91390218; to 100 metre accuracy as ST913021; or to 1 km accuracy as ST9102. Therefore, the more figures that are quoted, the greater will be the precision. But WP:OPCOORD applies to grid refs as well as to latitude/longitude coordinates; for most purposes, including railway stations, six figures (two groups of three, i.e. 100 metres) is sufficient. Notice that when a grid ref is shortened in this manner, digits are always truncated, and not rounded - the six figure grid ref (100 metres) is not ST914022. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, now I can see how to render them less precise. Deor (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Deor:Now you have mastered the mysteries of OS refs, maybe you might to check out this little tool which handles the conversion to SATNAV refs- and back converts as well. Have fun! --ClemRutter (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Date fixes to List of Freemasons...

Hi! In regards to date fixes in the List of Freemasons. I ma in the process of completely re-doing that list. I am downloaded the entire thing and am breaking it down into a database. I am cleaning up all the references of which there are SIX hundred and they are a MESS. When I am done, the dates will all be a-ok. Eric Cable  |  Talk  00:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Bot owners' noticeboard

Hi Redrose64 - thought you might want to see Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#User:Redrose64 running unapproved bot(s)? if you haven't already. GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Another new track gauge

Redrose
Please see Template talk:RailGauge#Another new one. Peter Horn User talk 00:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• That page already carries several of my feelings concerning verifiability of rail gauges. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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New gadget

Can you see my request and you say that you do think my gadget? Please, can you also create my gadget?--Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 13:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not my call. I have never created a gadget, and the only amendments I have made were to the gadget "^(D) Reference Tooltips: hover over inline citations to see reference information without moving away from the article text (does not work if "Navigation popups" is enabled above)", against clear, specific, and uncontroversial requests by Yair rand (talk · contribs) (see here and here). --Redrose64 (talk) 13:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand you, Can you explain better this "against clear, specific, and uncontroversial requests by Yair rand (talk · contribs)".--Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 17:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yair rand posted a series of messages to the talk pages of the two gadget pages; each message contained clear and specific instructions as to what should be done; and the requested edits were uncontroversial because the gadget concerned was one created and maintained by Yair rand. For example, this request by Yair rand was fulfilled by me with this edit and this edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

And do my gadget contained clear and specific instructions?--Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 18:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Not to me they don't. I really don't know why you're asking me to set up a gadget that although proposed at WP:GP#Wikipedia:Disambiguation detector has not been approved at that page, and has been commented upon by Quiddity (talk · contribs) only. User talk pages (such as mine) are not the place to request the setup of gadgets. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed transportation infrastructure etc

Please see my proposal to rename Category:Proposed transportation infrastructure in England to Category: Proposed transport infrastructure in England also subcategories to BRENG Hugo999 (talk) 12:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed transportation infrastructure

Please see re renaming to BRENG Category:Proposed transportation infrastructure in England to Category: Proposed transport infrastructure in England and subcats (hopefully now at bottom) Hugo999 (talk) 12:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I saw it; but as I don't handle category renames, I'm not sure what you want me to do about it. Since you have listed it at WP:CFDS, somebody with more knowledge will probably pick it up. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Postcode stalkback

Thanks for the addition to User talk:Richardguk#SM postcodes. In a similar vein, feel free to comment if you've any thoughts on postcode mapping or post town classification; there's a current thread at User talk:MRSC#Postcode area articles which you might have already noticed, and a recently concluded thread now located at Category talk:Post towns in the United Kingdom#Post towns that are not towns. — Richardguk (talk) 17:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Liverpool to Manchester Lines

I see you and I are reverting another editor who does not seem to realise that disused lines belong on the diagrams. You have told them that the matter has been discussed but I cannot see where and if I cannot then they may not be able to. Would you direct me to the place where this was discussed? Thanks. Britmax (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Liverpool to Manchester Lines#St Helens railway, where we trialled three different arrangements for the St helens Jct/Widnes area. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd completely forgotten doing that! Britmax (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Fishguard

I must have been travelling in my T.A.R.D.I.S. - thanks. Agathoclea (talk) 15:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't so much the future date that upset me, as the use of the YYYY-DD-MM format, which is always invalid, both inside and outside Wikipedia. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

ah, that was me trying to keep in line with the other citation without thinking., and getting the cut&paste&change wrong in the process. Glad you picked up on it. Agathoclea (talk) 15:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Oxford 2

Page created. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Gangways

I posted replies at User talk:Peter Horn#Gangways. Peter Horn User talk 14:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Punctuation problems

Hi Redrose, I just need some help / guidance. I have now produced 3 articles all of which have suffered from same problem, the first of which I corrected but it seems I'm [ or someone else is ] doing something wrong. My latest efforts are : Wilson's & North Eastern Railway Shipping Co. Ltd and Hull & Netherlands Steamship Co. Ltd.. Both the original articles having been approved for inclusion have suffered from appearing with practically all the punctuation being replaced by hash symbols etc... and with numerous citing errors. I think both had changes made because of small disambiguation problems.

Any advice please. --Eastern Nat (talk) 15:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It does look very odd... it's nothing I've ever seen before from edits using the normal Wikipedia editing interface. It looks to me like some (but not all) of the punctuation has been trashed in the manner that you describe; but that doesn't explain all of the # signs. Those that occur where I'm not expecting punctuation might correspond with changes in typeface (such as italics, bold, etc.). Are you preparing the text off-wiki, perhaps using a word processor, and then going to the Wikipedia edit window and pasting in the final draft from your word processor? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

No, I have used my sandbox to compile the pages and then submitted them for approval. I can go back to the 'pre-trashed' pages and re-do the links which were faulty but I thought you might have an idea what was going wrong. Correcting my first article Associated Humber Lines by hand was quite a large task. Many thanks and best wishes / --Eastern Nat (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I've repaired Hull & Netherlands Steamship Co. Ltd. What happened here is that most (but not all) instances of the following characters [(.)] were changed into # as were the letter "m" in "name" i.e. <ref name=Haws> became <ref na#e=Haws> and renamed became rena#ed. Why it happened, I don't know. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I've repaired Wilson's & North Eastern Railway Shipping Co. Ltd as well. It was the same problem. I see that in both cases, the damage occurred when you disambiguated some terms North Eastern Railway to North Eastern Railway (UK); Windau to Ventspils; Charles Henry Wilson to Charles Wilson, 1st Baron Nunburnholme; and Arthur Wilson to Arthur Wilson (shipping). Are you using a script or other tool to select these disambiguations? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for repairing them. I had received a dablink notification from DPLbot and used the 'fix with Dab solver' contained in the notice. Next time I'll see what happens and re-do links if problem arises, but was just curious as to whether this was a common problem. Whilst I'm in contact can I ask your opinion on my Associated Humber Lines article. Do you think it warrants the tag it carrying. I've run out of things to add to it for the moment. I think it contains a good overview of what company was about and the history of the ships that supplied the service, if I see other opportunities to add further details or categories I will do so. Thanks again / --Eastern Nat (talk) 10:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I've never used Dab solver myself; but then, I've hardly ever been messaged by DPL bot (talk · contribs) either (there are two cases above, #Disambiguation link notification and #Disambiguation link notification for June 28). Going by that information, I've found this thread which sounds like exactly the same problem. I assume then that you're using Internet Explorer; if not, we need to notify Dispenser (talk · contribs) that the problem exists in other browsers as well.

Regarding the {{underlinked}} on Associated Humber Lines: it was added when the article looked like this, and a considerable number of outward links have since been added, so I think that the {{underlinked}} may be removed. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes I use Internet Explorer. That seems to be the answer. I'll avoid using Dab solver in future, or try harder to avoid the need in the first place ! Thanks again for all your help.--Eastern Nat (talk) 16:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Revision history of gangway

Hello Refrose
Bkonrad keeps mucking up our mutually agreed revisions of gangway. I'm not sure that he knows what he's talking about, i.e. he's clueless. Peter Horn User talk 05:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

A bit of Dr Who fun for you

Hello R. I just received an email from a DW friend regarding the fact that the Japanese kanji for doctor [2] looks a bit like a man in a box. In fact that might be a fez on the left side of the head. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. ja:医 redirects to ja:医療 which bears an interlanguage link back to Health care. I'm not a student of Japanese writing, so I can't comment on the derivation. It might be a coincidence, or wishful imagination, but we really need a good source to avoid WP:NOR accusations. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

You never know. It might be from an unaired (which also means unwritten I guess) adventure when the Tardis landed in 16th century Japan :-) MarnetteD | Talk 17:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Issue fixed

User_talk:Magioladitis#Yobot_page_damage. Thanks for bringing up the issue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you,  Unblocked --Redrose64 (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try to fix the bug further by preventing these changes inside templates in the future. In fact I didn't know this change was happening. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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This was great of you, thanks. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

East Croydon cash machines

Hello, Just thought it would probably be courteous to let you know I've reverted your revert. If you still don't like it then just get rid - easy come, easy go... but at least it's properly sourced now :-) 2.220.83.204 (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hull (Manor House Street) railway station

Hi, just noticed you have added a link to Hull (Manor House Street) railway station in the new article Melton Halt railway station. This station is not mentioned anywhere else, such as the list of closed stations. The Hull and Selby Railway article has a destination of Hull Paragon railway station and following through the routeboxes Ferriby then Hessle which also goes on to Hull Paragon. Think that we need some clarification here. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

It's in Butt (1995), p. 125: of the twelve stations shown for Hull, Manor House Street is the only one open early enough; the date also matches the Hull & Selby opening - 1 July 1840. Paragon is shown as opened 8 May 1848 by the York & North Midland (which leased the Hull & Selby on 27 July 1846), as are three others: Hull Hessle Road, Hull Anlaby Road and Hull Botanic Gardens (then named Hull Cemetary). --Redrose64 (talk) 07:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Add the link "View" in the Template:Documentation

Then do you add the link "View" in the Template:Documentation, Template_talk:Documentation#I_propose_a_modification? --Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 17:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Redrose64 (talk) 19:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Confused

Hi

You commented on my editing and if I did it wrong I apologise, I copied from another page. However, your amendments just seem to confuse the issue. I don't see the need for a reference. Just need a link from Silver Fox Models to the page on the website. Just want to keep it as simple as possible.

Regards BigBruce354

--Bigbruce354 (talk) 00:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Bigbruce354#Models. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The Monk's Retreat

Is this the one?

http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-monks-retreat

Philafrenzy (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's on the south side of Friar Street, near Marks&Spencer - the pub which I suspect you were thinking of is opposite, it's an "O'Neills". The Monk's Retreat has two bars and plenty of seating. We also had a look at The Hope Tap, which is also on Friar Street, and MistyMorn (talk · contribs) thinks that The Hope Tap is better, partly because there are more tables with bench-type seating. However, it's further from the station, being just past Sainsbury's, almost at Greyfriars Road. See meta:Talk:Meetup/Reading/2. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The Hope Tap it is. Will create page later. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Football fixtures are OK - Reading FC are away at Newcastle on Sat 19 Jan 2013, so it won't matter if it's moved to the Sunday. If Reading get through the FA Cup Third Round, they'll have the Fourth Round fixture during the weekend of 26-27 January 2013. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

20th Jan it will be. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Philafrenzy (talk) 02:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Was tied up with other things yesterday so sorry couldn't attend. Hope to see you in January.Dsergeant (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Red link and Thank you!

Thanks for the help on Peer Review, I went through the nomination process and it does currently work, which is great. But something weird is still going on, see: Talk:Agaja, the "is currently undergoing" link remains red and hovering says (page does not exist). But if you click on it, it clearly links to the right page with no redirects. Any ideas on why it is staying red? If this should go to Tech board, I'd be happy to go there. Thanks. AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I WP:PURGEd the talk page and the link turned blue. This is a known problem with redlinks, and is not specific to the peer-review process. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Your ninja-like speed is amazing.AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)