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GA nomination of Shades of Deep Purple

I published the first revision of the article following your suggestions. There are a few points that need discussion in the Background and Touring sections.[1] I'm waiting for your input after a second check of the article. Thanks Lewismaster (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've looked through your comments and replied where appropriate. Hope there's enough to go on with that. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Your recent add to Yoko Ono

Thanks for the add on Julian, that was needed. On the other hand, I take issue with the way the Relationship to the Beatles section starts now with your blaming Ono for being present at the Beatles recording sessions. It regurgitates the stereotype of Ono as the dominant dragon lady in the relationship whereas we really don't know who was dominant as neither of us are them. I'll cite the People article that's used to reference a few other things in the article: It quotes Kyoko as saying "Lennon was always 'nice to me,' she describes him as 'this consuming force. He wanted all of my mom.' --Aichik (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

All I wanted to say was that her constant presence in the studio was a significant departure from established practices (and I don't see any accounts of Jane Asher, Patti Boyd or Maureen Starkey setting up camp in Abbey Road Studios so it is significant). Personally I don't think Ono had any intention of deliberately breaking up the Beatles, she just sort of indirectly contributed to it by being in the way. And if the "stereotype" is mentioned in multiple, independent, reliable sources, it ought to have consideration to go on the article. Perhaps this conversation should continue on Talk:Yoko Ono? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Re Article on Yogacharya Tapan Bose

Hi There Ritchie,

I added some references and yet have not seen article approved.

Please check article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Kriya_Yoga_Guru_Yogacharya_Tapan_Bose

Perhaps you can help edit it a bit. I made the changes needed and gave citations too.

If there are tiny issues you have my permission to make the appropriate semantic and form changes.

Thanks

LAKULISH — Preceding unsigned comment added by LAKULISH (talk • contribs) 08:38, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Your article wasn't submitted in the queue. I've now done this, so hopefully somebody will take a look at it soon. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie,

Thanks for doing. Would you be able to check the status of the article. See if has been approved for publication. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by LAKULISH (talk • contribs) 14:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mellotron

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Your GA nomination of Abbey Road

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Paco de Lucia

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Sorry to hear that. Wonderful nylon guitar playing - I'll have to give him a spin on my radio show at some point. Maybe he can now get together and jam with Davey Graham? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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DYK

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DYK for Abbey Road

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DYK nomination of Ultra Rare Trax

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DYK for Ultra Rare Trax

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Egg

Hello Ritchie. Thanks for taking Egg, unfortunately I'm unable to fix the issues as things keep popping up IRL and I'm not able to edit wiki as much at the current point in time. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 15:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, let me ping JG66 (again!) who commented on the GA review to see if he's happy tackling it. It would be a shame to fail a GA just because one editor has a lot going on, and I have most certainly been in that position myself. Have fun! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Ritchie. I'm not massively interested in Wings, to be honest – but I'll take a look. I've certainly got plenty of relevant sources. And as you say, it's a shame if a possible GA fails after someone's done all the work, simply because of the timing of the GAR. See you there. JG66 (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I think the main issue preventing a GA is page numbers for some of the offline sources. I've got a copy of Keith Badman's "After the break up" so I could sort that out - it would just be a bit time consuming. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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Yoko Ono

This article is up for GAN again after I've gone through all or your critiques. thanks--Aichik (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Cool. I'll keep an eye on it, and hopefully we can get a pass out of it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:59, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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Your revert

I don't understand this - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:A74_road_1932.png&oldid=600432333

PD-UKGov says exactly the same thing as your PD-because. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:50, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• It's actually a copyright violation from the National Library of Scotland, but the Wikipedia community doesn't think so. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

PD-art? It's been held by some in the Wikipedia community that if the underlying work is PD, mechanical reproductions can;t claim new copyrights. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:49, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Rhodes piano

Hey, Ritchie, can you see what's the case with Rhodes piano? Some dude has opened a reassessment and stubbornly removes the GA icon from the page, even though the reassessment is far from done. Since you've nominated the article for GA, I think you can handle things better than me. See you.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 09:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Vic, the article's on my watchlist, but I've ignored it as I just haven't got the time and motivation to tackle that right now. I'm not sure I'm best to tackle it as I had a vested interest in the GA tag as I improved the article to that state. He has a legitimate point about using original manuals as additional sources might improve the overall factual accuracy of the article a bit, but charging in like a bull in a china shop and accusing everyone of being liars and idiots isn't the way to do things. I've given him a prod about WP:VNT and I'm confident all the information is properly and reliably sourced, and what he's actually complaining about is very small trivial details. I think we can agree that a Rhodes is an electric piano, it has 73 or 88 keys, some are white, some are black, and you can plug it into an amp!

As for the reassessment, I would ignore it - if everyone else does the same it will drop off the list as "no consensus" after a bit. He's also committing a copyright violation by copypasting the article into there without attributing the original authors, but I don't want to stir the pot even more. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Mainframe (band)

Back in November you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has now been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I've had a quick look. Looks like I saved it from an A7. I can't honestly convincingly go for an AfD as the article indicates offline sources such as music magazines might cover the band. A notability tag should do for the minute. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:56, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rhodes piano

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Your GA nomination of Abbey Road

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Keith Moon changes

Hi, There have been some anonymous edits to the Keith Moon page altering the wording of the remarks about Moon's violence towards his wife. From his being 'occasionally' violent, it has been escalated to stating that he was regularly violent and in fact broke her nose three times. Of course, this is still sourced to p. 184 of the Tony Fletcher book. I am not sure if the new wording is true, but would think it is not supported by the wording in the Fletcher book (otherwise you would have worded the text here differently), but I thought I'd better check before undoing it. Dubmill (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

• I took Moon's article off my watchlist a while back as I felt I'd done all I could with it .... but the prose on Fletcher p184 has the following quotations : "Kim just had to prove herself as strong as him if it came to blows" and "Keith's unpredictable nature caused stress on those around him way beyond the family home" ... essentially it says he was unpredictable and occasionally had a flared temper, but it does not say anything about regular violence and definitely absolutely nothing about a broken nose - indeed, nothing other than the vague "if it came to blows" is mentioned. So no, that prose fails verification against the source and should be reverted. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:25, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK review

Thanks for the review. Are you sure that you are using DYK criteria? I had a car accident that not only scratched the paintwork but also caused a small dent. It was not a "terrible car accident" as no one was hurt not paralysed or killed. I have changed the phrase, but can you please reconsider it against DYK criteria. Victuallers (talk) 23:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I've passed it. I was never contemplating rejecting it, just there were some issues that I felt should be addressed first. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:53, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Troggs Tapes

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Question in my sandbox

Hello Ritchie,

I started my first article on Rockie Charles. The article is [my sandbox]. I used the source edit before I realised I could use the new version that's more like wp... but need to know three things. 1. How do I insert a title? 2. How do I upload images? 3. Where is the basic tutorial for new people? (I am looking for this stuff... so far no luck) Thank you :0) Rhondamerrick (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rhondamerrick, try Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET, which answers the first and third of your questions. Images is a much more complicated topic; it's best to start by working out what the image is of, and who created it. The answers to those questions will affect how to upload it. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yoko Ono

Many thanks for that first GA review. I've cleaned it up even more per the second reviewer's guidelines and left him a note but also wanted you to know as well in case you can pass the article. thanks again.--Aichik (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

What source to include to make this published

Hello,

I am trying to find out why my article is constantly getting declined for submission. Can you please tell me what to include to change so that I may up load it onto Wikipedia.

DS132 (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know why anyone else declined it, and it's not helpful that my original comments were removed, but I thought this source was acceptable to demonstrate that the company could be written about successfully on Wikipedia. I would concentrate on similar book or news sources that concentrate primarily on what IPC does, and where its used. The specific company details and numbers of employees are largely irrelevant, and can make people think you're just trying to use Wikipedia as an advertising platform. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Rockie Charles

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Revert

I'm not sure why you thought I was going "ballistic"; I simply made a request. I felt there was no need to go through the motions, but if you do, that's OK with me. 331dot (talk) 13:32, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

From my research, editors, particularly new editors, don't like big scary boilerplate template messages that editors fire off with one hit of Twinkle. It's at PROD, so that'll do. Either the article will be rescued, or it'll be deleted, but the newbie might stay around a bit longer. Just think twice before hitting the nuke button, that's all! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I accept the good faith manner in which you intend your advice, but I disagree with the characterization of what I did as "going ballistic" (which suggests anger that I did not have) and "hitting the nuke button". I simply used the tools available to me based on the reasoning I stated; as I said, if you or others disagree, I completely respect that(which is why I did nothing further) and accept that it would have been better just to leave the original notice; but I don't regret using what is available to me in general and in this specific case (given their advocacy supporting their page) I felt a response was likely. As I said, though, I accept the good nature of your comments. Thank you 331dot (talk) 14:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that's just my sense of humour. Anyway, in summary - keep A7 reserved for very obvious "not a hope" cases like "Suzy is the name of my pet cat and she has nice black fur". Anything else, send to PROD or AfD - as long as it doesn't violate the copyright or BLP policies, it won't cause any long term harm for it to hang around for a few days. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:34, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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I demand a move request! Bloody yanks. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Yoko Ono again

That GAN reviewer keeps raising the bar on this. Is he allowed to do that? Please take a look. At this point, I'm like Why not just go for Feature Article status, jesus.--Aichik (talk) 17:17, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't "raising the bar", just simply noticing things I hasn't seen before. If a reviewer finds additional things that need to be addressed, he/she should point them out. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the award! No idea it'd been on the Million list. Makes sense to me;)--Aichik (talk) 17:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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GA Review of The Allman Brothers Band

Hey there, thanks for the review! I adore this album as well. I've implemented almost every suggestion you made. Some notes:

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Entire lead and “background” section revised. I only include the Holiday Inn thing as I found it a rather humorous anecdote to the recording process, similar to how I include their performances at Ungano’s. I’ve left it as is, but if it’s necessary to remove it, let me know. The book I’ve cited claims it took the rest of the day to finish Whipping Post, but you’re right, another source says they “had them down cold.” I’ve noted this in the article. I hadn’t noticed that discrepancy between Trucks’ quote… but they’re both cited from books. It could be a simple mistaken recollection on Trucks’ part, or the other could be wrong. Nevertheless, I’ve noted the discrepancy in the article. I wasn’t quite sure what “baffle” referred to when I included it, but it was mentioned in the book, so I included it. I’m still not sure what he meant. Sound baffle? Also, the book implies that the solo was overdubbed, so Ive included that. I note that the group made their New York debut over three nights, though the exact dates are unclear. They were likely on the off days from recording, so I can assume they were non-consecutive. File:DreamsAllmanBros.ogg has been updated. I’ve included more on the creation of Every Hungry Woman. I’ve done lots of digging for reviews. Lots of music magazines at the time paid very little attention to the Allman Brothers, at least until At Fillmore East. Rolling Stone was the only real magazine to publish a review (Billboard, I believe, also published a blurb about it, but not quite a review). There are still few reviews of this album today, besides sites like Allmusic, which I’ve included. I would be very open to including more reviews if anyone can find them, but from my research, not many seem to exist. While that info on “It's Not My Cross to Bear” is true, I can’t find a source for it, so it is gone. I’ve linked to an official, separate page for the album.

Thanks again! Thardin12 (talk) 20:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I've copied the above and replied to it on Talk:The Allman Brothers Band (album)/GA1, to keep all comments together - also that's where other editors might chip in with opinions (which happens every now and then). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Alcoholic beverage

Its been over one year now, can you please re-evaluate the alcoholic beverage article or make sure that anyone else do it? --David Hedlund (talk) 20:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I had a look through, and there are still several unsourced sections and an unclosed merge request dating from last month. Those criteria would probably be enough to fail a GA review at this stage, I'm afraid. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your request from March 2013

Hi Ritchie333,

In this diff [2] you placed an outdated template maintenance tag on A299 road with an edit summary stating that the junction list added by a previous editor had become factually incorrect, ie requesting someone to put it right. A few days later I came across the article then spent a fair bit of time making it factually correct, complete with notes on the talk page (and the edit summary) on how the information was obtained, ie by reference to a published work (Google Maps). You have deleted the whole table as unreferenced OR. I do not believe it's original research as it can be verified to a publicly available work (original research would be to drive the road, which I didn't). To put a google streetview link in every box would fall under WP:OVERCITE. What are your thoughts on the best way to cite this? Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 23:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll give you my thoughts, and hopefully that will be some information to go on. I'll use various articles I've worked on as examples :

• I'm not really a fan of lists. They tend not to be rendered very well on mobile platforms, such as the IOS Wikipedia app, and can appear "clunky" to end users. Furthermore, the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists states : Embedded lists should be used only when appropriate; sometimes the information in a list is better presented as prose paragraphs. Presenting too much statistical data in list format may contravene policy. As this is one of the few Manual of Style guidelines to be included as part of the good article criteria, it's worth having a look at. Excessive statistics that dwarf prose (as this article did) may be better split off into a separate article in their own right. However, even then the statistics could be written as prose eg: in List of awards and nominations received by The Who, a content fork of The Who.
• The trouble with your list, however, is that you've taken an indiscriminate source as Google Maps prints every business, landmark and feature that it possibly can within reason, without making any attempt to justify whether the entry has encyclopaedic significance. The problem here, of course, is that my definition of "significance" may not be the same as yours or anyone else's, so you end up with things like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Statutory Instruments of Scotland, 2012 where tempers flare up and strong words are exchanged over whether or not a list article has encyclopaedic importance. I'm not sure what to do about that other than to try and avoid contentious features if you can. M11 link road protest has an annotated map depicting key significant locations of an event. That might be an alternative solution.
• Regarding WP:OVERCITE. I like this essay - political articles and contentious BLPs tend to exhibit these problems. However, referencing content doesn't mean you have to cite every sentence or few words - it just means the information is generally available. For example, take Bournemouth#Climate - the table of minimum and maximum temperatures has a single citation to the Met Office - it doesn't need the individual temperatures citing. Conversely, though, the information Abbey Road#Charts cites each individual chart position. Again, it's really a judgement call on an individual basis.

All in all, a bit of a can of worms, I'm afraid! Hope that's been of some use, though. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply, I'm inclined to agree with the disease of clunky pages. A full junction list is something which an article on what is little more than a local road doesn't really need. My second point (to a certain extent anyway) was that I didn't add the junc list originally, but that I responded to a cleanup template which you added asking for the list to be updated - which I did, only for the whole thing to then be deleted! I'm sure you can see why that was frustrating. No hard feelings though as perhaps I should have gone with my first instinct back in March 2013, been bold and deleted the table anyway!

Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 10:15, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I've forgotten why I added the tag but it was doubtless related to the improvements around Manston Airport and just getting a fact check on things. As for just deleting it, well Wikipedia encourages you to be bold and just do it, but even then it never hurts to discuss things first. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:25, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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dum dum dum dum dum-dum-dum ...

Absolutely – know it well! My point was just that, of the unsourced text the anonymous contributor added earlier, that particular point was definitely a keeper because, as you say, Lennon's piano comes through loud and clear. I just didn't have a ref to support its inclusion – now fixed by your goodself, of course. JG66 (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, every time I check my watchlist (and although I seem to be doing lots of edits, I have a lot of other things going on in my life) and see an article I took to GA have a bunch of edits by an IP, my heart sinks. It's not nice to just revert as "unsourced", however tempting, but tagging them obviously confirms the quality has been degraded. It's one of the biggest problems longtime editors face as time goes on and articles get improved. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I can imagine, and it's something I hadn't even considered actually, having only been around for a couple of years …

Just to be sure, were you okay with me adding that cite-needed tag? It's something I do with articles I myself am working towards GAN (from memory, McCartney's still got one I added months back). But it might not be too welcome to someone who's expanded the article, I realise. Hope it didn't offend. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 13:24, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I have no issue in you adding cn tags to unsourced content that should have it, which this did - especially if I didn't add the content in the first place, and the tagger had good faith that it would be quickly resolved (which it did). Where I do get annoyed is if people go ballistic and throw cn tags left right and centre all over an unsourced or poorly sourced article making it look like a complete mess to the reader. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

User:GreenLips/sandbox

Ritchie333

Thanks for yours regarding GreenLips/Bill Haney.

Well, I screwed up pretty bad if I somehow gave the impression there was money being exchanged for us helping Mr. Haney getting posted on Wiki. Had I known what I know now, I would have been a lot more accurate in describing our relationship. Mr. Haney has been retired for many years. He has served as a mentor to me and my company sharing his vast knowledge, experience, and contacts with us for one reason only. He likes us and loves books. My company does composition, layout and design of books. Mr. Haney considers printed books to be on there way out and has steered my company toward "specialty books". . . Coffee table style, children's, cook books, etc. Books with a lot of art and design incorporated. I couldn't loose Mr. Haney as a client, as he is not a "paying" client, but I owe him my efforts to help him get posted on Wiki. I'm sorry that in my frustration, I left an inaccurate portrayal of what really is at stake for me. That is my honor.

Mr. Haney deserves to be on Wiki and he deserves my full effort.

Thank you so much for your kindness.

GreenLips (talk) 15:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, well I've had a look. The article as it stands reads like a bit too much like Haney's resume, rather than a biographical article that documents what he has done of encyclopaedic importance, which makes it a bit tricky to pick out the elements that will make an article stick.

That said, from looking at sources, I think there are probably enough things to confirm he is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. I think the best bet we have of making an article stick is to look at what he's done at the University of Michigan - I can confirm he was a student by his record in the UM register, and I can confirm he was editor of the University of Michigan Press in this Michigan Alumus entry. Plus I can find this article in the Toledo Blade about him. There's a Barnes and Noble entry about his golf book and this Boston Globe news article claims he was a "Mark Zuckerberg of his time", which is a great source - if it is referring to the same Bill Haney as this one. This book entry appears to directly associate him with the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan, and if that is a specific named appointment at a university, it means he probably passes the notability guidelines for academics, which strengthens the support for having an article. Let me ping @DGG:, who is an expert on articles about academics, and see what he thinks. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:36, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

First, he is possibly notable, at least under WP:PROF, for having written a widely used textbook in his field Communication and Organizational Behavior: Text and Cases. Homewood, Ill: Irwin, 1967, and a later edition in 1973 which counting all the editions is still held in about 800 libraries according to WorldCat, , and which had several reviews. That is, if he is indeed the author, because the article draft doesn't seem to mention it. If there are other academic publications, that needs to be said, so we can check if he was widely cited. It would help to have the exact title of his position at ISR, along with reliable third party documentation of it: however, it alone would not prove notability unless it was a named or distinguished full professorship, though a full professorship but not a lesser rank would be a strong indication of notability. I considered whether he might conceivably be also notable under WP:AUTHOT, but none of the other books he has written seems to be widely held in libraries, according to WorldCat. (as he published them under a variety of forms of his name, (Bill/William, with and without middle name/initial) I'm not sure I found all of them, but I checked the ones listed above.)

As for notability otherwise. being head of a several minor publishing companies is not sufficient. I am unclear about his role in University of Michigan Press, which is a major publisher, and this would need citations: he was apparently not CEO, The various other executive positions are not CEOs of major companies, and do not show notability.

The person of this name in the Boston Globe article does not seem to be him--the career does not match.

In any event, the article is unacceptable as written, for exactly the reasons Richie gave. It is so much like a CV that I wonder if it is copied from some other source )which is not acceptable). It lists everything he ever did, starting with his high school years; this is not encyclopedic writing--a rational article in an encyclopedia. focusses on what is important. The books he published are not relevant, unless they were famous books where the fact that he published them is so significant as to have major critical comment--I doubt this is the case for any of them. His (routine) community service is not significant, any more than his taste in food, or the sequence of routine jobs as a technical writer. It basically would have to be rewritten from scratch. and even then, if the textbook is his one significant accomplishment, it would be borderline. Th3 guideline for accepting AfCs is whether it would have a reasonable chance of passing AfD, and it would have a chance. Whether it would be actually accepted even if optimally written is unpredictable, but I would accept it and let it take its chances. But if submitted as is, most admins would probably speeedy-delete it as promotional. DGG ( talk ) 20:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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List of 1960s musical artists

Hi, I started this. Feel free to add more!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• I've added a few off the top of my head. If I can find where on earth my Guinness book of 60s Music has gone, I'll go through that too. And if anyone says "why can't they make music like the 60s best sellers", ask if them if they mean Ken Dodd, who really was a 60s best seller! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thanks for lending your talent to the Sgt. Pepper peer review and FAC. Because of some wonderful teamwork during the last month, the article is among the best on Wikipedia today. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 16:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Watford Gap services/GA1

This user helped promote Watford Gap services to good article status.

Well done. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 15:00, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ritchie or SilkTork: were either of you planning on nomming this for DYK, or may I do the honours? Thanks, Matty.007 15:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I have been known to DYK my own GAs, but if you want to do this, go for it! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Watford Gap services. Best, Matty.007 16:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC)