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Tech News: 2018-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • TemplateStyles has been deployed to the Swedish Wikipedia. TemplateStyles is a feature to make it easy to add CSS to templates without administrator privileges. This allows for better adaptability to screen sizes, especially on mobile where are half our total page views. If your community would like to be the next to have the feature, please submit a task on Phabricator. [1][2][3]
  • Registration pages now collect keyboard/mouse usage information for research on identifying spambots.

Changes later this week

  • You can opt in to a new beta feature that lets you use visual diffs on history pages. [4]
  • The visual editor shows and lets you edit templates in one way, and reference lists in another. This meant that templates that only contain a fake reference list, like {{reflist}}, would not get updated as you edited. Now they will update as you edit, but you will no longer be able to visually edit them as templates. [5]
  • The abuse filter extension has a new feature contains_all that you may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string. [6]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 February. It will be on all wikis from 15 February (calendar).

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21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Kyle Snyder's wikipedia page

Ronhjones, Sorry if this isn't the proper way to respond, but as you can see I don't have much time to edit on here. I have no familial relationship to Kyle Snyder, my handle is just a goofy personal nickname. He wrestled in my area in high school and I followed his career, and thought it'd be nice to work on his Wikipedia page since I was so impressed by how he handled himself in the limelight and how amiable he seemed to other wrestlers. And I'm not an IT professional but at one point had enough time to learn Wikipedia's codes. I'm sure Wikipedia's editors can edit his page for accuracy and otherwise, sorry for any trouble. Unkledaddy2017 (talk) 15:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Unkledaddy2017: Images for fair-use are always a minefield. There is a lot of restrictions in the criteria that catch out many an editor. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:45, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

OTRS request

We are struggling to keep our head above water in OTRS. I fully understand that people like you are busy with lots of things but when I looked at this ticket: ticket:2018021210014711

I see you have some involvement so I'm checking to see if it's something you could pick up.S Philbrick(Talk) 00:03, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Well that should surprise her... Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Deleted photo from 2014

Hey there; a loooong time ago (I don't sign in often) I uploaded a black and white photo I shot of a skateboarder under the filename Mass.png. I may not have properly cited the copyright situation as I was new to the whole thing and kind of still am. The photo was deleted by you, I think, sometime in 2014. I don't edit Wikipedia often and I have no idea how to go about it but I'm under the (perhaps misguided) impression that such a file can be "undeleted"? I'm only asking because it's been a long time since I took that photo and I no longer have any record or copy of it [neither physical nor digital and the negative was lost just as long ago]. It'd be wicked if there was some way to get it back, even just so I can save it again. Cheers! PowerGamer6 (talk) 03:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@PowerGamer6: Correct - no copyright info, just a description and a NoRightsReserved template. It's still available for undelete. Actually uploaded 19:45, 2 March 2006 and deleted 21:43, 17 October 2014. Have a look at my proposed information template...
{{Information
| description = A young skateboarder doing an ollie over two skateboards.
| source      = {{own}}
| date        = 2006
| author      = [[User:PowerGamer6]]
| permission  = {{NoRightsReserved}}
}}
If that all looks correct then I can undelete and add the template to the image. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ronhjones:Hey, yes, that looks correct. I would super appreciate that. PowerGamer6 (talk) 06:42, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@PowerGamer6:  Done - see File:Mass.png Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:18, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Shrinking files

Dear Ronhjones, the only resason I added the template ''{{non-free no reduce}}'' to the following files of mine, was you. Over several weeks prior, you nominated for reduction virtually all of my uploads which were perfectly OK by policy, with a lot of attention given to their proper sizes and good rationale. File:Irena-Adamowicz.jpg File:SS Captain Hermann Schaper.jpg ‎ File:Krystyna Skarbek.jpg File:Hans Krueger (Gestapo).jpg File:Anna M Cienciala.jpg File:Kurt Gerstein.jpg File:Jennifer Teege - My Grandfather (2015).jpg ‎ File:Roman Romkowski (UB).jpg ‎ File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-R98680, Besprechung Himmler mit Müller, Heydrich, Nebe, Huber2.jpg ‎ File:Holocaust History Project (2007 logo).jpg ‎ File:Krakow-Ghetto-checkpoint.jpg ‎

There was no reason whatsoever for you make me feel inadequate by nominating my already small uploads (fully compliant with policy) for their further reduction down to virtual oblivion. Here are just the few samples: [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] — There are many, many more. Basically, I had no idea why you were doing this, but the frustration was caused mainly by the fact that I already cleaned up and reduced most of them in Photoshop myself. Thank you, Poeticbent talk 05:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Poeticbent: I have not singled you or anyone else out, we have a NFC guideline size and images in excess of the guideline are checked to see if reduction is suitable. If it is believed that are suitable, then they get tagged with {{non-free reduce}}, and the automated bot will reduce the image to as large as possible and still be under the agreed guideline. The guideline clearly states images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger plus most common pictorial needs can be met with an image containing no more than about 100,000 pixels (0.1 megapixels) and further on states You also may wish to add the {{non-free no reduce}} template to the image rationale page to indicate that your image resolution purposely exceeds the 0.1 megapixels guideline, though this still requires you to include a valid rationale that explains this reasoning; large images using this template without a rationale to explain the large size may be reduced despite this.. If an image is over the guideline size and has {{non-free no reduce}} then I look for extra detail in the FUR to validate the need for an oversized file, if there is no valid reason why the image should not be reduced to the guideline, then I normally try a manual reduction. I not sure why you listed the first set of seven files - Five of them were already under the guideline and did not need the {{non-free no reduce}} template - that forces the image unnecessarily into a category for further checking, one I tidied up as a free image and marked for move to commons, only one was a little oversize, and a gentle crop improved that without any reduction.Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:13, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Ronhjones. I listed the first set of seven files only because they were the files to which I added the ''{{non-free no reduce}}'' template. That template was my response to what you did earlier. Let me explain here, by quoting what happened before that (only one example).

I uploaded the File:Eleanor Kieliszek (1925-2017).jpg 305 × 400 at 46 KB It was tagged by you with {{non-free reduce}}. Why? I thought 46 KB was very little already. Now, I went online to see what it all means, and I read: "1KB = how many pixels?" The answer was: — "There is no answer. It depends on compression, file format, DPI and other things." What I learned from this experience is that in the future I need to do my own maths on the calculator (troublesome as it sounds): 276 × 361 pixels = 99,636 no matter what the resolution is: whether 72 or 300, which means, I don't have to reduce the resolution at all. Poeticbent talk 23:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Poeticbent: Correct. Wikipedia has a very weird definition of "file resolution" - nothing to do with file size, you can leave PhotoShop resolution at 10. In wiki terms it's all about the pixel count. so if you run a full search on the FIle namesapce with this line in the search box incategory:"All non-free media" fileres:>317 - you will see all non-free files over 100489 pixels (16,146 files) - as fileres: parameter in the Search System is the square root of the pixel count - I said it was weird. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Actions on photos

Hello, my friend. I don't understand what you are doing with the photos I posted, like this one: File:Robert-S-MacAlister-of-Los-Angeles.tiff. (There are others, too.) You apparently don't think they can be used in Wikipedia, but I certainly listed the reasons when I created them. I hope you can explain everything to me. Thanks so much. Your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile: They can be used in Wikipedia, but there are various constraints. As my comment said Reduced to NFC Guideline. You set the image up as a non-free image and we have a size guideline for non-free images of <100,000 pixels. If I think the image can be reduced to fit within the guideline then I will tag the image for reduction. As your images are tiff, we have no quick way of doing it - all jpg, png, gif files are reduced to <100,000 pixels by automated scripts within 24h - the python imaging library does not work well with tiffs, so they have to wait until someone comes along and does it manually. Hence that file was tagged in October, and I only got around to a manual reduction in February. You might like to read the previous message above, which explains how to have oversized images - if it is really necessary. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Situation with senior editor

You need to look at this section of Admin noticeboard, regarding the edits on Armageddon by TheOldJacobite. He's being disruptive and his behavior lately is causing concern by other editors. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

You might be better off at WP:ANEW Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I might have to if TheOldJacobite continues to do so. BattleshipMan (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The explanation of the abbreviations on the recent changes page could overlap with the list of changes. This has been fixed. [18][19]
  • You can now see statistics for pageviews per wiki per country. You can see this on maps or in a table. [20]

Problems

  • Linter is reporting estimated counts instead of actual counts for some wikis. This is because of performance problems. You might notice a false higher number in linter counts for some categories. This will be fixed as soon as the performance problem has been fixed. [21]
  • Last week the way that Visual Editor displays references lists was changed. As a result, the references generated by specific templates like {{sfn}} are not visible in the references list whilst editing. [22][23]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 February. It will be on all wikis from 22 February (calendar).

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22:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 February 2018

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Incorrect artwork

Hi, I work for the record label that released [this album]. I'm contacting you because you were the most recent non-bot editor to the artwork shown on this page. The page for this item shows [a piece of artwork] that was never used for the release of this album. Whoever uploaded this image is has been intentionally hoaxing readers. The image of the hand holding up a dead mouse is fake artwork for this release. [The blue mouse head] is and has always been the only artwork for this album. Every release by Play Records at that time had the Play Digital logo (the fake artwork is missing this logo.) The artwork listed as "Alternate cover" is the only artwork this release has ever had. That image's caption describes it as "2015 re-release cover". That's also incorrect. The 2015 CD re-release was of both this album and his next album and listed both album titles in the artwork. For reference, here is the original release of this album on the original platform on which it was released. This artwork has never been changed. I've already removed mention of this fake artwork from the article. Can you remove the fake artwork JPG from the site please? I'm not sure how to delete erroneous images. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at simon [at] playrecords [dot] net. Thanks. sifr4 (talk) 00:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Sifr4: Started Deletion request - see Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 February 22

File:Air Canada Centre.svg

When you reduced the size of this image, you cut off the last two words of "Centre" which caused the text in the logo to appear like "Air Canada Cent". I've reverted to the old version. Can you try reducing it again while not cutting off the last two letters of "Centre"? — MRD2014 Talk 03:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@MRD2014: Oops. How did I miss that, thanks for heads up. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:16, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Christmas Aerogram

Actually the day you tagged this it had already been in the public domain since the beginning of the year, so can you please restore the higher resolution. Then it can be moved to the commons. I've revised the summary and license. Thanks. ww2censor (talk) 10:07, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ww2censor: No problem, all done, ready to move Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:02, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Now moved. ww2censor (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Checkusers and stewards can now view private data such as the IP address in the abuse log. This data is removed regularly. [25]

Problems

  • Last week's MediaWiki version was rolled back because of a bug. [26][27]
  • Since the deployment train last week until late evening on 20 February UTC, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed. [28]
  • Special:Statistics did not take newly created pages into account since 13 February 2018. Because of this the statistics are recreated. [29][30][31]

Changes later this week

  • Users with version 10 of the Internet Explorer browser will no longer get JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis. If you use this browser on your computer, you can try upgrading to a newer version. [32]
  • Advanced item The Wikinews wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 27 February. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [33][34]
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19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Ronhjones. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Askelvins (talk) 09:37, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Askelvins (talk) 09:37, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

The Stone Giants speedy deletion

Hello - I created a page [[35]] but it was indeed deleted speedily. You cited copyright infringement from an Orfium.com page https://www.orfium.com/profile/the.stone.giants/ that had identical information - and it's true! I am the administrator of that orfium account and I basically copied and pasted from the wiki article into the orfium account, not the other way around. I have changed the orfium account and now there should no longer be a conflict. I hope you can see to it to revisit the deletion. Thank you for your time ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jegler (talk • contribs) 02:56, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jegler: Fixed. Suggest you use a Template:Infobox musical artist instead of that table at the top of the page, it will look a lot better.Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Reducing image sizes

Hi Ron, re: this, please don't go around doing this automatically. Deciding whether a reduction is needed or justified is often an editorial decision, which of course you're welcome to get involved in, but it shoudn't be done in a bot-like fashion. SarahSV (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

@SlimVirgin: Every non-free image is individually viewed before adding the {{non-free reduce}} tag - they get viewed as a batch of files (in multiple tabs in Firefox), then tagged (if I think it will reduce OK) after I have finished viewing the whole set. The difference between the full size and reduced size on that image are quite minimal. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
The difference with that image is significant, which is why the reduce has been reverted. This is the problem that I drew attention to with the Hitchcock image. The difference there was so significant that there was almost no point in hosting the image at the smaller size. It doesn't seem that images are being reviewed for context before the tag is added. SarahSV (talk) 00:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@SlimVirgin: Zooming the smaller image and comparing with the big image is minimal on my screen, obviously not quite as sharp, I can even still read the same letters on the paper boy's bag in both images. Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The upload was 979 × 497 (498 KB). The bot reduced it to 443 × 224 (121 KB), which made a big difference. With my usual browser, I can hardly see anything. The only word I can read is GRILL. During an earlier discussion about this, there was a suggestion that the bot not reduce to such a small size. How can that be achieved? SarahSV (talk) 01:12, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
The bot is fixed to reduce to the biggest possible size below the guideline of 100,000 pixels using the calculation on WP:Image resolution. File size is not relevant to the bot. If the file is over 105,000 pixels the bot will reduce to under 100,000. As far as I know the guideline was set up in mid 2011. In general, I've found that most images will reduce to that size without significant corruption - there are exceptions (around 0.15% of the total non-free files - i.e about 900 in 600,000 total) that do not reduce, they tend to be mainly computer screenshots with text or blocky graphics (and also cartoons) that easily corrupt beyond recognition on reduction.Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Genco Abbandando

Can you restore the full history and talk per WP:PRESERVE. No need to unprotect as I do not intend on its recreation. Valoem talk contrib 21:18, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Valoem:  Done Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Image requires higher resolution

Hi Ronhjones, You have requested a manual re-sizing of the image I uploaded (File:Photograph of 1983 Colonel Watson Award, presented by the Ontario Association for Curriculum Development.jpg) I believe there is sufficient justification for this file to remain in its current format; i.e., it needs to be large enough to enable the text in the image to be read. A thumbnail image will serve no purpose in the context of the article this image is linked to. The image is included for information purposes, rather than as an illustration. Without the image there will be very little understanding of the relevant article section, as this information is not available elsewhere. There are no commercial implications, and the image is only used in one article. As I understand it, there is some leeway allowed in the size of free images and as this image is already as small as possible to still be useful I will accordingly add the non-free no reduce tag to the page. Please contact me if this requires further discussion. Many thanks. Pedantic068 (talk) 20:00, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Pedantic068:I don't have a screen big enough to show the whole document, and I doubt if many others do - for me I get a 1100 x 938 image on clicking the image (my screen is set to 2048 x 1152) and I can read the text - hence my choice of tag - but even 1100 x 938 is very big. My feeling is that the image is so large (and I'm sure that it will be by a country mile, the largest NF image here) that it will need a wider discussion to get a proper consensus on its suitability. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:10, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: Thanks for your reply — I have added a comment to the discussion page. Pedantic068 (talk) 02:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

the help you left on my user page

{{help me}} that is in another language do have one in English also can you put pics of Norway on my user page thanks I really want to see your pictures Doggyeditor2018 (talk) 23:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

replied Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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Teefa in Trouble

Hi admin! For File:Teefa in Trouble.jpeg, please see this. Wanted some guidance, can this image be uploaded as it is without copyright/non-free tag(s), because the owner himself is saying to Download and Enjoy. Thanks! M. Billoo 18:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

One more thing, the image cache is not purging (I don't know if this only happens here at my device/IP). Similar for Rangreza, can these images be uploaded on a new link, and delete the previous link? Thanks! M. Billoo 18:13, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi admin! I am not clarified by Special:Diff/828468911, how does that image become non-free if it has been officially said to download, save and enjoy the high resolution poster? I want to delete these links and re-upload each on new link. Please reply and guide, Thanks! M. Billoo 15:10, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
@M.Billoo2000: Purge is a pain, the upload always works, the display don't - add a purge tab - in your preferences - Gadgets - Appearances - "Add a "Purge" option to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache". If you can get the owner to agree to a free image, then you can have a big image - goto Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries for more info. Note the e-mail needs to come from the copyright holder (and a forwarded e-mail is not allowed). I see the "Download, save and enjoy!" on Facebook - not enough to be used here as free, needs an explicit CC-BY-SA-4.0 license - and if added on facebook, we would need to work out how the facebook person IS the copyright holder. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

SVG

Hi Ron, Thanks for reducing the SVGs - Could I ask tho what is the actual problem with File:Amber Sound FM logo.svg ?,
The image looks fine this end ?, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 22:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

@Davey2010: We know there's not much one can do with non-free SVG. Wiki does not rely on the user being able to view SVG in their browser, so it always makes a png file at the desired size - so all we can do is change the "nominal size", so that wiki does not make a png that is well in excess of the NFC guideline. All I am doing is changing the width and height parameter in the initial svg tag - see User:Ronhjones/SVGreduce. Being a vector drawing, it makes no difference to the overall resolution or potential viewing at bigger size. As it is still classed as an image, then any search for oversized NF images will also pick up the large SVGs as well, until the nominal size is changed. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ron, Oh no no my apologies I wasn't asking about the resolution I 100% agree with that, I was asking about the "This SVG image contains embedded raster graphics" tag which is what I'm lost about,
Sorry for not being clear there my fault entirely, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 23:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010:Open up svg (in a text editor) and you see
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd">
<svg version="1.1" id="Layer_1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" x="0px" y="0px" width="448" height="223" viewBox="0 0 1057 526" enable-background="new 0 0 1057 526" xml:space="preserve">  <image id="image0" width="1057" height="526" x="0" y="0"
    xlink:href="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAABCEAAAIOCAYAAA.........
Where the part after base64 is a long string of base64 codes - so it's a bitmap picture with a svg "wrapper", and not a true vector drawing. The BadSVG template adds it to Category:SVGs for cleanup, where one hopes it will be cleaned up. The alternative would be to load it into a drawing program and save the bitmap as a separate image and upload that (as a new name, as it will be a jpg) Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Ahhhh right I didn't realise that, So could I ask is every file in my batch1's all problematic or is it just that one ?, and if they are problematic then would it really matter if I carried on with them ?
I'm going to be absolutely honest I have 0% knowledge with SVGs but as I've uploaded over 150 png logos I don't really want others reuploading them as SVGs as then my uploads as a whole in the end would've been a waste of time and would've counted for nothing .... I don't really do a lot here as it is so atleast with the images least I can say I've done something if you get what I mean,
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010: File:Central Buses logo.svg; File:Dream100FM logo.svg; File:FreshFM Petroc logo.svg; File:The Beach FM logo.svg; File:107.1 Rugby FM logo.svg; File:102 Touch FM logo.svg; File:Richards Bros.svg; File:Connect FM logo.svg All have bitmap image embedded. File:Poundstretcher logo.svg and File:Simonds of Botesdale (logo).svg are proper vector drawings Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah okay thanks, I think I've found a workaround ... Anyway thanks ever so much for your help it's very much appreciated, I'll leave you in peace now lol, Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk 02:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi again, Sorry to bother you - When you're not busy could you check this file to see if all is okay - I've removed the base64 stuff however when one clicks the file it loads as grey first before going to colour ..... I wasn't sure if that was a major problem, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:30, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010:Looks fine, no embedded bitmap. I see no grey - that might be a PC/browser thing. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:59, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
If you copy the line below into your common.js

mw.loader.load('//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rillke/SVGedit.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');

The you will gain a "Edit SVG" in your tools panel on the left (when a SVG is being viewed). Click that and you view the file contents direct - click the file tab to close the edit window without saving. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:59, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah brilliant, I was all about to give up so thank god we edit conflicted!, Brilliant thanks for that and thanks for your help, So one last question - If there's no base64/data image stuff that would mean there's absolutely no image at all ?, Sorry probably stupid question but thought I'd ask now so I wouldn't have to bother you anymore :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Davey2010:As far as I know! If the file just appears to be mainly numbers, then that should be a vector drawing - effectively x,y to x1,y1 to x2,y3 etc. The strange chain of unseparated letters as shown before (iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAABCEAAAIOCAYAAA and on...) is a good indication of an image)Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Brilliant thanks ever so much for your help, it's very much appreciated, I shan't bother you, Thanks again, –Davey2010Talk 16:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-10

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Recent changes

  • You can now make longer edit summaries. [36]

Changes later this week

  • You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. [37]
  • On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options. [38][39]
  • Advanced item Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [40]
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17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

deleted draft content the content is from our own website written by us and we wanted to us this on Wikipedia as wellDmi2018 (talk) 17:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)dr_dave_martin

We created a draft for content for Dr_Dave_Martin and it was deleted due to copyright infringement. The content was written by us for our website and we used that same content to populate Wikipedia information. Can you please allow the content? Dmi2018 (talk) 17:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)dr_dave_martin

content deleted draft

Dmi2018 (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)dmi2018

we had content written that was also what we wrote for our website, can we use the same content? we wrote it ourselves.

Dmi2018 (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)dmi2018

@Dmi2018: Not easy. I take it you mean http://davemartin.org/about-dave - We have no way of verifying any user here (all editors are effectively anon). You need to go to WP:CONSENT and donate the page(s) you want to use in Wikipedia. Ideally from a e-mail address of the web domain - e.g. like xxx@davemartin.org. Ask then to put the ticket on Draft talk:Dr. Dave Martin and to undelete Draft:Dr. Dave Martin. Note that OTRS is only run by volunteers and will not be quick. OR got to https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&jurisdiction=&version=4.0&lang=en and put the html code there in the footer of all the pages you wish to use content (it does not matter which way you do it, the overall outcome is exactly the same) Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:01, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
P.S. You need to tell me if you do the second option! Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Lau Deks

And you are going to scold, Blali Old Man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.164.91.4 (talk) 06:01, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

? Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Deleted image file - don't understand why

Could you please take a look at c:File:Erfindung- Roller mit integrierten Handschuhen. (22959813546).jpg as the 'rationale' - used very loosely - makes no sense to me, particularly the following statement: " To prevent harm from new tenant. -) ". I had used this at Muff (handwarmer), and had intended to use elsewhere which I have already rough-drafted. I've seen the same statement somewhere else recently, but can't easily see where. Thx.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 03:28, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

@Rocknrollmancer: Bad English - remember not all commons admins (and there are only about 250 of us) are good at English. Krd is claiming En-3 on his page - He appears to speak mainly German, may be down to a bad translation. Looks like they deleted ALL Wuestenigel's images - as the vast majority were copyright violations, so c:COM:PRP will be applied to the rest.Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:16, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
ThanQ - I did notice the broken English and looked further at the admin's background before I messaged you; no criticism there as I want to message a Flickr user in Turin to request change in CC licence for a few Isle of Man images, and I am completely lost in German and Italian, whereas I have half-a-clue working between French and Spanglish. I have machine-translated and will submit to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy for comment. I'll read through Commons:Undeletion requests, relating to refunding the image above - no urgency.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

list little help please

How could I upload public domain images to Wikipedia Sri Harsha Malempati (talk) 06:18, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sri Harsha Malempati: Go to c:Commons:Upload to upload free files. You will need to pick the correct license from the list at c:Commons:Copyright tags. Do make sure that they are genuinely PD images. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank You

Hi Rohnjones. I would like to thank you for reverting and blocking this IP who proved to be JuanRiley who was evading his/her block. But I saw you blocked him/her only for a day. I think you should block him indefinitely. This former editor had been vandalizing articles and giving everyone headaches both editors and admins. Not to mention that he's been blocked indefinitely which means the block should be indefinitely as well. (N0n3up (talk) 23:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC))

@N0n3up: Dynamic IP - he won;t use that address again https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/75.161.67.51 :-( Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:42, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps, but to be on the safe side, since dynamic IPs might last longer than 31 hours, I think it best to indefinitely block IPs who are JuanRiley. Besides, this doesn't look like a shared IP, and JuanRiley was so unruly he was blocked by popular vote. (N0n3up (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC))
Not normal to block IP indef. Changed to a month - should make him change IP address. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:59, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Peter Gration.jpg

I'm puzzled as to why this file was deleted - perhaps you can enlighten me?
Yes, I understand fair use. I am not aware of any free use or freely-licensed photos of the general.
Could you please explain a) Why you think the photo is "Replaceable fair use"? and b) Why you think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion?
As I was not notified of the impending deletion I was unable to provide input before it was deleted. Was the file deleted because almost nobody was notified and nobody responded within the 2 day window? Pdfpdf (talk) 06:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I see the file was deleted, even though it apperaed on the Peter Gration page. Now I am even more puzzled. Pdfpdf (talk) 06:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
@Pdfpdf: Please see WP:NFCCP #1 and WP:F7. The image was non-free, and it was of someone who is currently living, which means that a free equivalent could theoretically be created and used in its place. Only when someone is no longer living will non-free images be considered for use if there is no free version readily available. Nihlus 07:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)
Thank you @Nihlus:. Pdfpdf (talk) 07:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
@Pdfpdf: As a follow up - only the uploader gets a notification about the deletion - User_talk:Skjoldbro#Replaceable_fair_use_File:Peter_Gration.jpg Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-11

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Recent changes

  • 3D models can now be uploaded to Commons. [41]
  • Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made. [42]
  • Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review. [43]
  • Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab. [44]

Problems

  • The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC). [45]

Changes later this week

  • You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week. [46]
  • It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users. [47][48]
  • Advanced item A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [49][50][51]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March (calendar).

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19:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

File:MacPaint 2.0 screenshot.png

Hello. File:MacPaint 2.0 screenshot.png non-free file has got distorted pixels that ruin the image. I think the fair use of the image should make sure that all parts of the image be discussed on, particularly the painted image on the window. Can you please revert DatBot's change and replace with the original image? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Likewise, the same for File:MacpaintWP.png applies too. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000: Done. I've set them for a manual reduce - it may be that the current size is the smallest, just needs to be manually evaluated Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Not sure what "it may be that the current size is the smallest, just needs to be manually evaluated" means. I think decreasing the size from the original will only distort the critical commentry for the images. The intricate paint bucket pattern icons (such as the ones with black dots inside white space) may become distorted so as to make the patterns uncommentable due to not being their original types. Also, because these apps are ancient and are among the very first graphical user interfaced painting programs out there, I think all features on the screenshot are eligible to be commented on. Especially when graphical limitations prevent font size from displaying properly, particularly those well-commentable "File", "Edit", "Goodies", "Font Size", and "Style" words at the tabs section. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
An example of such problematic issue is when the "File" word is 10 pixels tall and 20 pixels long. If we decrease the screenshot size of the entire screenshot, then that would make "File" quite unreadable. Decreasing screenshot size to 400px would make "File" read as "upside-down L"-"fat I"-"l"-"e". So I cannot decrease screenshot size to even 400px, let alone DatBot doing 365px. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000: That's why I said "manual", so various sizes can be evaluated without loads of uploading. It's the only way to satisfy the criteria of images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger. It may well be that any reduction trial does not work - it's not unknown with computer screenshots. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Hmm... I rechecked and I think I could readjust the screenshot resolution with 450px. Won't damage the legibility "File" and other words. The only thing that may be distorted may be those paint filler icon thingies. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Do you reckon these paint filler icon thingies are worthy of critical commentry? If not, then 450px would probably be the solution to this issue. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:31, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
And by the way, I already applied the 450px to the 2.0 one. I left the Mac Paint 1.0 app image as it is because that screenshot has everything to comment upon since it is one of many very first graphical user interfaces of painting applications, which can be commented on a lot of. And plus, the paint filler icons are the same in later versions, which can be left out in the later screenshot. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
@Qwertyxp2000: Fine, when you are happy it is as small as practicable, then change the word "manual" to "no" in the template so it reads {{non-free no reduce}} Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:28, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 00:33, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

File talk:View of Port of Geelong, Victoria, Australia.jpg

Hi Ronhjones  - thanks for the feedback. The shot of GeelongPort was taken from a helicopter in retricted airspace by a professional photographer at considerable expense - and then made available to me via our network of employees. So there's no way any member of the public could get the same shot of that specific port's location without transgressing local airspace restrictions - drone or chopper or otherwise - so I will amend the file description accordingly. Thanks! Belmop (talk) 22:17, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

your block of user:203.38.217.254

Already socking as user:203.38.217.252 . Compare [52] and final edit by ..254 [53] Meters (talk) 01:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Handled by user:NeilN Meters (talk) 01:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
203.38.217.252/30 blocked one week as there were other IPs in that range vandalizing. --NeilN talk to me 01:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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Problems

  • On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed. [54]

Changes later this week

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  • From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days. [55][56]
  • In-Context Help and Onboarding is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. Collaboration team is expecting feedback and comments on the project talk page, especially from people working with newcomers.

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User:Stalinsunnykvj

Hi. I replaced disputed fair use tags which you had placed on a couple of Stalinsunnykvj's uploads after they removed them: [57], [58], but basically, after reading their "reason" for disputing the tags it's clear they are clueless about copyright/fair use. The problem is, they've uploaded quite a few similar images with a mish-mash of invalid "public domain because I want to use it", "own work even though it almost certainly isn't", "own work but it was me who coincidentally published this 8 years ago on the same site I'm copying lots of the other pics from, honest it was..." tags (those are just a few examples), and it's pretty clear the whole lot are copyvios that can't be non-free because they are living people. They seem to be just trying every variation of license tagging they think they might "get away with". My attempts to warn/communicate are just removed from their talk page, which is their right, but doesn't help address the issue. Thoughts? -- Begoon 05:35, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Not everyone has a good grasp of copyright, and I suspect that is the case. Looks like the images are now "free" images. I've done a google search, it's not coming up with matches. Most are tagged to go to commons, plenty better search editors there! I may move them a bit quicker if I get the time... Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:12, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

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Changes later this week

  • Some of the interface icons and text sizes will change slightly, as part of the updates for improved accessibility and consistency. These icons are used in many features, including Notifications, Recent Changes, Beta Features, Visual Editor, 2017 Wikitext Editor, Code Editor, and others. While editor toolbars, dialogs, and menus will appear slightly bigger; elements on special pages will be slightly smaller. Functionality will not change. [59] [60]
  • Advanced item The deprecated #toc and #toctitle CSS ids have been removed. If your wiki was still using these for fake Tables of Content (ToC) then these might lose their styling. They can be replaced with .toc and .toctitle classes where appropriate. [61]
  • TemplateStyles will be deployed to the Wikivoyages on 28 March 2018. [62]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March (calendar).

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  • From 9 April, the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time. We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a maintenance script to update existing database entries. This will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on wiki size. Read more details. [63]
  • Changes are coming to search for Serbian projects. Cyrillic and Latin variants of a word and different grammatical forms of a word will be able to find each other. Read more on MediaWiki in Serbian or English.

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Settings for List of Coronation Street characters

Howdy, no huge issue, just my OCD kicking in, did you mean to setup both PC1 and semi-protection on List of Coronation Street characters? — IVORK Discuss 22:00, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@IVORK: Yes. We've tried (all too often) Semi-Protect, and the vandals come back. This semi will make then go away for a while (again), when they return, they will be able to edit, but their edits won't show until approved - I hope that will reduce the vandal level to a nice manageable state (but it could go all wrong - we need to try). Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Two shale museum images

Hi

You put a note on my talk page regarding two images. Sorry, I'm new to this, so I don't quite understand. Basically, I work in the museum and we took the pics ourselves.

Not sure what to do next. I'd rather delete them if it's going to be an issue. CraigS1969 (talk) 15:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@CraigS1969: You set them up as "Fair use", that's only allowed if the images are not replaceable with a free image. Unless you are extremely vigilant in stopping visitors taking photos then anyone can take a free image. Our Freedom of Panorama in the UK, is very generous, any photo taken in a public place (includes inside museums, even if you pay to get in) can be free - the only exception are 2D artworks (i.e. paintings). If you want to keep them, I would suggest uploading as a free image at Commons:Upload, with a suitable free license e.g. CC-BY-SA-4.0 Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Ron. I'll change. I was thinking along the lines of museum objects in our store, which wouldn't be replaceable with a free image. I can see your argument. Will work out how to change and do that as soon as I can. Thanks CraigS1969 (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Copyright article

Hi Ron I posted an update to the Gen Z page attaching an article from a magazine. I received your message that this was blocked due to copyright issues. Brand Strategy magazine is no longer published - it ceased a number of years ago. Is it ok, therefore, to include it in my wiki update? If not, then can my update simply be added without the supporting evidence of the article? Many thanks Crispin — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrispinGJReed (talk • contribs) 04:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

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non en-wiki discussion

Hi.
Usually i combine the personal discussions with discussions regarding enwiki. Like, "how to do bla bla bla in AWB? How is your dog doing?". But nit this time. So i am going to keep it short. I saw your userpage a long time ago, and I was very impressed. I got a friendly "vibe" from it, one might say. Long before Cullen328 ran his RfA, I came across his userpage, and tried to find yours; but I couldnt recall your name/username. By the way, both of yours userpage are very interesting.

I am here to ask you, what is the breed of your dog in your photo. I also wanted to tell you, you and Cullen328 seem to super-friendly in real life.
Kindly ping while replying. Best, —usernamekiran(talk) 23:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: She was a 40kg Standard Poodle (she lived to 12 years old - typical age for a standard) - but only cut in a simple all over close trim, not the usual posh poodle cut (that takes too much attention to keep nice, bad enough it has to be cut every six weeks!). Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:03, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you :) —usernamekiran(talk) 00:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Ve'ahavta editing history

Hi. When you deleted Ve'ahavta, your edit summary suggested that the full edit history had been merged back into Draft:Ve'ahavta, but I see it hasn't been. Can you roll the edits from the article into the draft? Several of us, including User:Shalor (Wiki Ed) and User:Jaobar, had discussed that. Largoplazo (talk) 12:51, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Largoplazo:. Somewhat incorrect assumption - deleting a PROD - puts the PROD statement automatically into the edit summary, I add nothing. It's lucky that there had been no edits to the Draft - History Merges are never simple, edits here would have made it too difficult for me. So...
  1. Draft was deleted
  2. Old deleted article restored
  3. Article moved to Draft
  4. Deleted draft revisions undeleted
  5. Tidied up by removing PROD banner
So the current page is the version that was deleted. The version of the Draft that was showing is the version at 03:50, 15 March 2018‎ - you need to make that version current, if that is what you want as the "top" version. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:05, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for the trouble—thanks for your help! Largoplazo (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
  • Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
  • The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
  • The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

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Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.

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Deletion

you deleted an autistic kids page, thanks for killing his self esteem — Preceding unsigned comment added by T6lack (talk • contribs) 14:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

If I didn't delete it, someone else would have. It was not a suitable page for Wikipedia. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

The Umbrellas

Please undelete the article The Umbrellas or give access to the content so that it can be improved. A little poking around on the Web should have sufficed to show that the topic has a reasonable probability of significance. As such, the deletion fails the noted intent of WP:Criteria for speedy deletion: Speedy deletion is intended to reduce the time spent on deletion discussions for pages or media with no practical chance of surviving discussion. Some supporting material:

Most of the Australian jazz scene is still reported in paper press, as far as I can tell, putting the people and works at a considerable disadvantage on Wikipedia, which is heavily biased toward Web sourcing.

I wrote that article. I have nothing to do with Australia, the band, Peter Dasent, or anything else related. I'm just an American guy who has a CD of theirs from 1996 and was surprised not to find a Wikipedia article about the ensemble. And now I'm rather surprised about this deletion treated as an emergency given the mounds of awful, fan-driven content Wikipedia hosts about ephemeral local bands. The Umbrellas has been delighting Sydney and Australia for 30+ years and has five commercial releases, all still available. Where is the emergency here? Also given that somebody associated with the Australian music scene immediately added the article to an Australian national music category (sorry, I don't know what it's actually called because, well, you deleted the article, and wow I was surprised they added it because, how did they even know it had got written?), it seems pretty clear to me that the ensemble has staying power and a notable presence. Strebe (talk) 16:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Strebe: A7 does not require the admin to track down the data - it clearly says does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. Those refs should have been on the page - remember all articles have to follow all the policies and guidelines from the first save - there is no grace time to improve the article. If you need to create and build the page slowly, then the user subpage or Draft space is a far better route. Anyhow, hoping you will improve it sooner rather than later, it's undeleted. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for undeleting, and yes, I'll attend to the page as soon as I can. Hopefully whoever else took interest to add the templates and categories will also contribute. I do want to point out, again, that the stated intent of the speedy deletion policy was violated here: "no reasonable chance of surviving discussion". You can talk about "policy" and how the nominating editor was under no obligation, but end the end, this sort of hasty, heavy-handed, destructive-of-reasonable-content activation of policy with no due diligence is part of the reason that so many less persistent contributors have simply wandered away from Wikipedia. People should be improving, not just snipping. Give people a chance to improve something if there is a problem. Strebe (talk) 17:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
@Strebe: True, but you don't see the real rubbish we do, which is the main reason we had to devise the Draft system, much more suitable for use where a page will be progressed slowly. At OTRS, I only advise users to use Draft, as creating direct is now so difficult, there are too many editors patrolling new articles for a weak one to survive very long. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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19:28, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Undated images/ images needing a US/URAA status confirmation

File:67 Spencer Street.jpg Thanks...

This was at one time tagged as PD-Australia, but there was no-date to check for URAA, hence it was converted to Non-free use.

I recently re-worded {{no-date}}, to suggest that if images remained tagged with it for more than 3 months that converting images to Non-free use should be considered.

The category: Category:Wikipedia_files_with_no_date currently has 281 entries. If it's not starting to empty by July 1st, conversions from 'free' license tags, to 'Non-free' ones will be considered.

I'm considering doing the same for PD-x needs US status confirmation images as well. There are backlogs that have not cleared in a long time.

Your thoughts? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Yet another old backlog that has slowly grown! Looks OK - Have a look at User:Ronhjones/Sandbox to replace part of the last bit of template - not my code - I "borrowed" it. :-), If you use it, don't expect the items to populate on exactly 3 months, it's a known bug, if you need that, you could ask User:Joe's Null Bot to add to the process list. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Done ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
This is the other backlog that's built up Category:Images with an unknown US copyright status ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Do you want to add the relevant logic to the templates? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
I'd also appreciate someone tidying up - {{PD-US-1923-abroad/sandbox}}, so it can be actively used with the enhancements added, the category logic you suggested above could also be implemented. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Some of those look a bit more complex! I'm not that great with wiki templates - simple ones OK... I see you have tried Template:PD-Albania and there are files in Category:PD-Albania images with unknown US copyright status for over 30 days - nice. I'll give the sandbox one a view tomorrow (it's gone 1am now...) Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
What I'd like to do is expand the scope of the timestamp so if there's no paramater (commons|restored) it auto converts into a Non-free license after 30 days, Not sure how to do that though..23:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Something like this could be displayed- {{Not-PD-US-URAA-unsure}}
@ShakespeareFan00:It sounds like more like a bot action is required to replace one template with another - it not that difficult, but you would need to start a discussion and get a consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). I can do the bot bit in python, mind you WP:BRFA is rather slow - I've got 2 waiting there already! Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:09, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Opening words on what will be a LONG disscussion, Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Undated_and_images_needing_a_US/URAA_status_confirmation.?

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Redirects shadowing commons...

Any chance of a backlog clearance on these?

https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/25986

Rather than having to tag them individualy? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00:I'm not sure about those, I ran the list through AWB and they are all redirects on commons, so they are not blocking any image. It's hard to see on what reason we can delete them. There is no Speedy that fits, so we are on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, and on that it could fail No.4 on WP:RFD#KEEP Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:21, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd been using {{db-redircom}} on the more obvious ones ( once links were updated). But if you are saying they are also redirected on Commons, there's a possibly a good reason for retaining them locally. Can you you come up with a wording for {{Salted redirect}} and flag the ones that are an identical redirect pattern on Commons and Locally? That would be a reasonable compromise that I could amend the query to ignore.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:53, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00:
  1. Bastardised two templates into one
  2. Joy of using AWB
  1. Save list of files to a text file.
  2. Start AWB, Set to commons, get text list, set AWB to do nothing, only skip files if it finds REDIRECT
  3. Run AWB in pre-parse mode and see how many files are not skipped - in this case none.
  4. One could then grab the list of skipped files, change to en-wiki and add the new template
Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:34, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Would that need BRFA approval? The query had about 120 entries... If you are able to run something like you suggest in AWB proceed.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
No. Some long as you have to press save before every edit, then it's semi-automated. For fully automated (hit start, and it does all the list) you need a BRFA and the bot's name added to the AWB bot list (otherwise there is no way to make AWB go automatic). I'll have a play... Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
@ShakespeareFan00: I see you did some. I did the remaining 76. Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki of Pailla Malla Reddy

HI Ronhjones,

This is Srini Guduru. Trying to create a WIKI page for Dr. Pailla Malla Reddy, an industrialist/Philanthropist from New York. I understand a similar page was created and was deleted earlier. would like to know if the page refers to the same gentleman i would like to write about and if so, what is the next course.

Please advise.

Regards, sriniguduru Sriniguduru (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sriniguduru: Lede paragraph is Dr. Pailla Malla Reddy is an Indian American businessman who was born in the village of Sunkishala in Nalgonda district of Andhra Pradesh (now in Telangana) in India. He came from a poor family and worked hard to become an entrepreneur in the pharmaceutical industry. He is now the owner and CEO of Bactolac Pharmaceuticals, Atlantic Essential Products Inc, and ScieGen Pharmaceuticals located in Happague, NY and one of the founders/directors of InvaGen Pharmaceuticals Inc. I can restore the old page as a Draft article for improvement if you want. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:46, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi @Ronhjones, Appreciate if you can please restore the page so I can start improving. Any suggestions are highly appreciated. (Not sure if I responded as per the talk policy :) )


Sriniguduru (talk) 00:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sriniguduru: Now at Draft:Pailla Malla Reddy Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Ronhjones, Thank you! Sriniguduru (talk) 11:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Ronhjones, Request some guidance here. If i am quoting a company named Bactolac Pharmaceuticals, is an external link preferred like Bactolac Pharma OR point to the very company's web page like Bactolac Pharma? Which one carries more trust for my work? Much appreciated! Sriniguduru (talk) 17:11, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sriniguduru: The page is about the person, not the company. So the link to the company's web site is not the one. The Bllomberg link will show the ownership of the company. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Ronhjones, Thanks for the quick response. Yes, this is about the gentleman, but my question is if i am stating that he is the CEO of this x company, and i want to prove the credibility of my statement by adding a third party link that shows him as the CEO, do you think it is better use the Bloomberg link or to the very site of Bactolac. Both show him as the CEO but i think WIKI might like the Bloomberg link since it is a reliable third party site. Please advise. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriniguduru (talk • contribs) 17:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC) Sriniguduru (talk) 17:42, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sriniguduru: Agree. the company's site is obviously "self-published", and is not as good as the other one. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:43, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!! Sriniguduru (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons blockade

Dear Ronhjones:

I have created a new page on WIKI regarding the Regional Museum in Szczecinek.

I wanted to add pictures to this page, and I was surprised to see that you have blocked two pages on Wikimedia Commons.

Now I cannot place more photos in new pages that I create.

I think that I may know the reason for the blockade: I have two pages on Wikimedia Commons (I am not sure how this happened anymore, since I am still learning how to use all of these programs), under 2 names: Aga and Agnieszka Thomassen.

Would you be so kind to unblock at least one of them, so I can proceed with my work on Wikipedia page?

Thank you for your help.

With kind regards.

Aga Thomassen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agnieszka Thomassen (talk • contribs) 06:11, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Agnieszka Thomassen: You can only have one account, unless there are good reasons for a second one. Also files can only be uploaded once. So as it appeared at the time - User:Agnieszka Thomassen uploaded c:File:Wiesław Adamski ilustracja, Srebrnieją myśli i słowa Bogdan Urbanek 2015 r. str. 39, kolekcja prywatna.jpg and c:File:Wiesław Adamski PLSP Liceum Plastyczne 1962 rok kolekcja prywatna.jpg and were deleted (not by me) as unsourced derivatives, there is also a note at the bottom of c:User talk:Agnieszka Thomassen which (I think) might refer to the other files uploaded on that account. Then the same two files were uploaded by a different user - User:Aga Thomassen - as c:File:Wiesław Adamski ilustration,"Silver thoughts and Words" p. 39, Bogdan Urbanek, 2015.jpg and c:File:Wiesław Adamski, student years, working on wood turning-lathe.jpg (we have checks that compare new uploads with deleted ones). So that user name was blocked (User:Agnieszka Thomassen is still useable). If you want to request undelete then goto c:Commons:Undeletion requestsRonhjones  (Talk) 17:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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