User talk:Roscelese/List of designated hate groups

Specific things that need work: is the list comprehensive, including all groups that have Wikipedia articles? Should we include the designating organizations' reasoning? Are there other institutions that designate hate groups whose designations should be added? Can someone help with the nitty-gritty work of referencing?

Suggestion[edit]

Just noticed your article from a link your talk page when I added whisperback. I think this article can definitely be built up to be of mainspace quality, however, an idea I had was to rather than presenting this as a chart, have two sepearate articles such as "Southern Poverty Law Center's list of designated hate groups" or something along those lines. Just an idea, do whatever you will with it. Also, I am not watching this page so if this is replies to please add {{whisperback|User talk:Roscelese/List of designated hate groups}} to it. :) _WikiMan^One 08:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The ADL isn't as notable for their monitoring of hate groups, and their list is also much shorter, so it wouldn't be able to stand alone as an article. Editors at Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center seemed to favor including both in the same list, rather than using SPLC's list alone. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Hope it goes well, I'll contribute if I have a chance but I'm working on other areas now. _WikiMan^One 10:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Questions of Notability[edit]

At least one editor has a concern that this list is non-notable. I suspect, based on a cursory review of sources, that I'd come to a different conclusion--after a cursory review of possible sources via Gnews/Gbooks sources [1], [2], I see a large number of sources that look that they provide substantial coverage of the list, it's size, it's breakdown[3], it's change in size over time[4], geographic distribution [5], the methodologies for inclusion on the list[6], and the lists relation to crime and criminology[7]. Compared to many footballers and anime voice actors who regularly pass notability checks, this is a veritable festival of notability. As a result, I suspect that these sources would objectively pass the general notability guideline. However, my final opinion on the subject would depend on a more detailed review of the sources, this article's contents, and the other arguments and data presented, of course. --j⚛e decker ^{talk to me} 21:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's definitely notable, and the article in its final form will of course have secondary references attesting such. Thanks for the links! Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This list seems to be a good part for article Hate groups in the United States.Biophys (talk) 03:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Group responses[edit]

I've been searching Lexis-Nexis for responses of the groups to the SPLC designation. It's taking much longer than I thought and as expected, there aren't a lot of responses to it in reliable sources. Here's what I got so far from groups starting with A-C:

American Family Association (not a response from the national organization)

Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier (http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/article_0d224deb-9ca4-5f17-9ae0-cdd5c98e47f5.html):

Bob Vander Plaats, head of Iowa For Freedom, a state affiliate of the American Family Association, said the designation misinterprets the intent of the campaign.

"Anybody who followed the Iowa For Freedom campaign knew number one, it wasn't about hate," Vander Plaats said.

Vander Plaats and others involved in Iowa For Freedom say the goal was to send a message to judges they believed acted beyond the scope of their powers. Being called hateful and extreme by the center and other groups was "disappointing and disheartening," Vander Plaats said.

"They are calling the majority of Iowans extreme," he said. "They are calling the majority of Iowans hateful."

American Patrol

CNN, Wolf Blitzer Reports, June 23, 3003:

[KEVIN] SITES [CNN Correspondent]: An idea he promotes on his Web site and on videos produced under the name, American Patrol. The Mexican consulate in Arizona says Spencer's allegation are just, quote, silly, and civil rights watchdogs, the Southern Poverty Law Center, calls American Patrol a hate group, a charge Spencer denies.

SPENCER: I'm biased in the favor of the United States of America. And I don't want Mexico to invade us. But what I do as America...

SITES: You tell me this is not racially motivated?

SPENCER: Hell no, it isn't.

Drrll (talk) 17:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

more to add, don't feel like formatting[edit]

SaveCalifornia.com (active anti-gay groups) Sons of Thundr (Faith Baptist Church) (active anti-gay groups)

SPLC anti-gay hate groups[edit]

A requested:

– MrX 23:30, 3 October 2012 (UTC); 20:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]