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Question: Behavioral evidences

I have some things I don't understand so I ask you. What did you mean by "I'd recommend that both Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter#09_August_2022 and this discussion be closed as behavioral matches ". Are you telling you can block everyone without needing to know if all three of our IP addresses are connected? I really hope that is not the case because than all it takes is making some assumptions.

Behavioral evidence: errant spaces with their question marks (Defending myself) I chose this because is easy and takes little time to do. I can provide more evidence but it will take up a lot of blank spaces. Hunan201p said this: "Ghizz Archus and Vamlos/DerekHistorian always add a number of errant spaces with their question marks" Rossguill thinks my behavior matches Ghizz Archus. Everyone can see Ghizz made his last post from his last date which is 12:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC). Everyone can see he always makes spaces between his sentences and question marks. My question marks are always joined with my sentences.today and yesterday and if your still not satisfied look at my yesterday discussion with Quishufang at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Qiushufang. All the examples were before Ghizz. Now you can't say I displayed a similar writing style to Ghizz and the others.


I really hope everything is fair.82.36.220.78 (talk) 22:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

The place to plead your case is at the sockpuppet investigation page, not here. signed, Rosguill talk 22:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Fine. I seek your knowledge and guidance on how wikipedia SPI works. Can Shinoshijak, Ghizz and myself be blocked just by some behavioral matches or does it take a Check User to see if all three of our IP are connected with behavioral matches. I truly don't know about Ghizz Archus and Shinoshijak but is extremely unfair for me to be blocked when I have nothing to do with them. That is why I am requesting IP check.82.36.220.78 (talk) 23:13, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Çok zor başka dilde kendin kılık değiştir, her zaman aynı görünmezı duvarlar çarpacaksın. signed, Rosguill talk 23:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't understand that language. As a admin, isn't it your job to answer questions to confused editors?
Do I need to ask another admin?82.36.220.78 (talk) 23:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please remove my reviewer rights. Some people found problems with my reviews, and I would like to go to NPP school to gain more experience. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 01:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

CollectiveSolidarity,  Done signed, Rosguill talk 14:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Are you available for another student for NPP? My time zone is also US-Pacific. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 16:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I think I could take you on as a student (my time zone isn't PDT anymore, but honestly the time zone doesn't really matter IMO). What in particular were the concerns raised by other editors, and/or what were you hoping to work on? signed, Rosguill talk 17:01, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I took a peer-review on the NPP Discord server, and a few reviewers noticed that I was placing some incorrect taggings. I would like to work on that and a few other basic skills just to make sure that I am doing everything correctly. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 17:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Ok, could you be more precise as to what is meant by "incorrect taggings"? Is that about template use (which templates?) or deletion-tagging? As for the other basic skills, did you have specifics in mind or would you just like the full course (we can always skip through parts where you are not having any trouble). signed, Rosguill talk 17:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Mostly just maintenance taggings and not deletion taggings. I would like to focus on that, but the full course could be a good brush-up. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Alright, CollectiveSolidarity feel free to start at User:Rosguill/CollectiveSolidarity NPPSCHOOL whenever you're ready. signed, Rosguill talk 18:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

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Clarifications please...for neuro-symbolic AI page, what would you like improved?

Hi, Rosguill, I started a new page on neuro-symbolic AI, and received a {{copy edit|date=August 2022}} request, but was unclear as to what needed to be addressed as it mentions grammar, style, cohesion, tone, and spelling. Could you please tell me what to address?

In the meantime, I will simplify some of the sentences to enhance readability, but I am just guessing at this point as to what you are looking for in a new page that I am lacking. Thanks!

Veritas Aeterna (talk) 01:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Veritas Aeterna, the first thing that jumps out at me is that most of the article is written in bulletpoint format, rather than prose style. There's also an external link in the lead that should be moved somewhere more appropriate (WP:EL). signed, Rosguill talk 02:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Rosguill,
Thanks, I see what you mean. What I'll do for now is move the external link to a History section along with the sentence before. I'll have to add more detail after I finish my current work on the Symbolic AI article.
Once it looks ready for prime time, how would I have it reviewed to -- when it is ready -- remove the copy edit template?
Veritas Aeterna (talk) 20:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
This is a minor enough issue that I wouldn't have any problems with you fixing it and removing the tag when you think you're done (unlike say, neutrality concerns, where I may have significant doubts about the initial editor's willingness to write neutrally). If you want to me to do a quick check when you've made improvements, feel free to ping me. signed, Rosguill talk 21:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Please review the article Finlit.uz

Hello Rosguill,

I kindly ask you to suggest me the shortcomings of the article created by me so I can update it.


Thank you Lostinniagarafalls (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Dodge Avenger Concept

Hi Rosguill! I was going through a list of potential cut-n-paste moves, which contains Dodge Avenger Concept, a page you deleted. Was this the content of the page before it was BLAR'd? If so, would you please be able to perform a WP:HISTMERGE to Dodge Avenger? Thanks! HouseBlastertalk 00:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

HouseBlaster, unfortunately a history merge is not possible due to overlapping edit histories. I've gone ahead and provided text attribution in a null edit summary at Dodge Avenger. signed, Rosguill talk 01:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

RFD relisting

Hey! I noticed that you relisted the RFD for "Stanley (cars)" stating that there isn't an agreement as to which section of the article to retarget to. I actually disagree with that assessment since the disambig page was cleaned up and the section that was originally proposed to retarget the redirect to was changed to a different name. So essentially it's the same section but a different name. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah, my bad, I've now closed it accordingly. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
It's alright. Glad I noticed the mistake. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Lucia field

I just need help putting a source in the Article Jena (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Jena Fi, I'm not sure what exactly you want help with. You should go ask at the teahouse, which is our internal help forum. signed, Rosguill talk 01:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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religion in egypt edit war

I asked for a consensus which the user disagreed on the talk page with and now they are edit warring what shpuld I do should I leave it? LionAjk (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I've responded on the article's talk page. Next time something like this happens, you should ask for an intervention at WP:AN3 if you are re-reverted after your first revert. signed, Rosguill talk 18:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Retitle of Christianization of the Roman Empire (Historiography)

Hello, I was just notified that you had retitled an article I worked on. While there are plenty of articles that are titled Historiography of..., there are also articles with "Historiography" following such as Dark Ages (Historiography), Ethiopian historiography and others. IMP, this retitling makes the article harder to find, less accessible, and seems to limit the focus to spread alone when the article covers much more than that. I did not revert this change because I respect your input, but I do strongly disagree with this move. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Jenhawk777 Thanks for the note--I think concerns about it being harder to find are moot because the old title still works as a redirect, but am open to the arguments based on scope or pre-existing title conventions. I imagine that somewhere in the MOS there's relevant guidance? signed, Rosguill talk 18:47, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I'll go look. Thanx for this, and for all the work you do. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Jenhawk777 (let me know if you'd rather I skip the ping) Looking at the two examples you note, Dark Ages (historiography) is about the historiographic lens of referring to post-Roman, pre-Medieval Europe as "the Dark Ages"; this seems different to me than Christianization of the Roman Empire (Historiography), as the scope of the latter is differing views of the historiography of the relevant time period, rather than a single lens which is itself the subject at Dark Ages (historiography). Ethiopian historiography, meanwhile, doesn't use a parenthetical thanks to Ethiopia having a readily-available adjectival form. signed, Rosguill talk 18:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Please do ping! It helps! Okay, so, you are saying that because it is a discussion of differing views, rather than a single view, that term should be first in the title? If that's so, then the rest of this is moot.
I did find this in the MOS: We strive to make titles on Wikipedia as consistent as possible with other titles on similar subjects. There are two main areas, however, where Wikipedians have consistently shown that consistency does not control: Disambiguation. For instance, just because Georgia (country) exists, there is no reason to have articles titled, for instance, Azerbaijan (country), Armenia (country), etc.
If it's the parenthesis that seems objectionable, I also found this: Parenthetical disambiguation, i.e. adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name: Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title. Example: The word "mercury" has distinct meanings that do not have sufficiently common alternative names, so we instead use parenthetical disambiguation: Mercury (element), Mercury (mythology), and Mercury (planet).
The "optimal title" is the question isn't it? The new one's awfully long. Well, you clearly have much more experience than I. If you are technically correct then I will accept your decision - whether I like it or not! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I meant to ask, does this need disambiguation? Are there other article with this title? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Jenhawk777, no there aren't, although I had assumed there were when I moved the page. I think that the old title of Christianization of the Roman Empire would also be fine as a title, as the article is ultimately just trying to provide a historical account of the historical phenomenon in question, and simply accounts for the fact that RS describe divergent approaches to chronicling a period. In theory, we could write one article about the history of Christianization, and another about the history of writing the history of Christianization, in which case the latter would clearly be a "Historiography of" article. signed, Rosguill talk 19:21, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Hah! In theory we could write that article, but I guarantee lots of abuse for doing it! This one was originally titled Christianization of the Roman Empire but when I nominated it for a GA review, it was quick-failed for being historiographical. I tried to explain that all the "history" on this topic is actually historiography, but it just upset them even more, so I had to drop it. Since they were right, it is historiography, I added that in the title in parenthesis, not for disambiguation, but so there would be no more misunderstanding and distress over what this dadgum article, (which has given me more grief than any other I have ever worked on), actually contains. The original title is still a valid choice, and the short description helps, but I am constantly waiting for someone else to come along and beat me about the head and shoulders over the content of this article. Scholarship has changed. Not my fault! It needs to be reflected in WP content though - whether anyone likes it or not!! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Hmm...I think that if we want to keep "Historiography" in the title, it should not be in the disambiguator IMV, so either Historiography of the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire or Historiography of the Christianization of the Roman Empire seem like the best options; I hadn't intended to modify the scope by swapping "Christianization" for "spread of Christianity", the latter just seemed like a more natural phrase (but if Christianization is a common term of art for the period, it should be used). signed, Rosguill talk 19:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Okay, well if my opinion matters, which it does seem here like you do care about others, which I am grateful for, then I vote for Historiography of the Christianization of the Roman Empire, and I thank you. There is actually an article titled "Spread of..." and it is limited to the Roman empire - which it shouldn't be with that title - so I guess it's possible we would run into problems going that way. Should it be historiographies? Plural? Since it isn't one view like Dark ages? Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I think singular is fine, since "Historiography of X" would refer to the whole sum of historical approaches for X. I'll go ahead and move it to the title you're suggesting. signed, Rosguill talk 23:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Okay, thanx. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry to bother you again. I clicked on Historiography of the Christianization of the Roman Empire in my watchlist and wikidata said the page doesn't exist. I must be missing something! Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Jenhawk777, I just clicked the link above without issue, not sure what's going on on your end. signed, Rosguill talk 16:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm thinking it's something different because it's wikidata and not wikipedia. Does that matter? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
hm, yeah I'm not really familiar with Wikidata beyond fixing interlanguage links. signed, Rosguill talk 02:22, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Rosguill Help! Someone came along and made a title change removing historiography with no discussion or reason given in the edit summary and it has now created a loop that won't let me undo it! It says an administrator can fix it. Can you help? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The other editor has agreed to leave it as is until they are finished with their changes and we see where we are. He points out that we now have an article on the historiography of the CofRE w/o an article on the history of it. It's a just criticism and he has made this one more historical, but it is still heavily historiographical and I cannot see how to separate it out. I did notice there are now multiple redirects - is there any way to clean that up? Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Jenhawk777, if the redirects are all pointing to the same page we can just leave them be. Ones from unconventional titles could be deleted, but unless any of them actively make it more difficult to find another article it's a non-issue. signed, Rosguill talk 20:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Okay! They go back and forth pointing to each other in sequence, but if that's okay, then I am too. Thank you for explaining that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Jenhawk777, Circular redirects aren't good. At this point, everything related to this article should point to the current article Historiography of Christianization of the Roman Empire signed, Rosguill talk 22:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
It seems as if it has miraculously healed itself now! I suspect human action. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Topic ban appeal

Hi. Could you please have a look at my appeal here: [1]? Thank you. Grandmaster 18:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Conditions for invoking BLP against criticism of dubious sources

Hello, Rosguill. First of all, thank you for your intervention at the RSN regarding Xhufi. I would like to ask, considering your comment here, [2] do you mind giving me some insight on when BLP can be invoked and when it is safe to describe a source for their extremist views? I will really appreciate some insight to the related question posted at the Teahouse. [3], if you don't mind. My question at the teahouse may appear unecessarily unclear and confusing, but I admit I am abit confused myself. - ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

SilentResident, my understanding of the issue at RSN was that BLP was invoked around two statements: Khirurg's description of Xhufi's writing in the Kosovo paper Zerikosoves (point #6), and Khirurg's assertion that Xhufi described Albanian internment camps as "not bad" (point #8). In the case of the former, this is just Khirurg's assessment of Xhufi's writing, and is not directly a claim about Xhufi's character. In the case of the latter, while Alltan has described how Khirurg's assertion is misleading out of context, Khirurg's literal statement is factually correct. While I think there's room to hold that Khirurg's comments in either situation (and moreso for the latter) are bad form or weak arguments, I don't see them as BLP violations. signed, Rosguill talk 18:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Got it. Thank you! --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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I haven't come across it recently. Last time I came across a similar issue I followed up with the redirect creator and they (and another editor) were unable to reproduce the bug, suggesting it was a client-side issue on my end. signed, Rosguill talk 14:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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I’m his assistant situation in Irans is very horrible he’s been jailed and now everyhthing is so heavy can you please esit for me v i’m nit sure how to do it ! Please Xxmadamex (talk) 21:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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reality shifting

please do an article about it 2A03:2880:30FF:78:0:0:FACE:B00C (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts?

Hi Rosguill,
I noticed this online link[6]. This might result in more disruption in the cesspool known as WP:AA2 and WP:KURDS.
Google translate: ""The first spark was ignited in order to correct and organize the unfounded claims we have seen on Wikipedia recently. r/turkviki was established. Let's get organized from there."

Another link:[7]
Google translate:[8] "Friends, this subreddit was founded on the termination of unfounded claims made on Wikipedia. Our aim is to put an end to the unfounded allegations made on Wikipedia, the propaganda activities targeting our country and nation, to express the truth and correct the mistakes."
Google translate of one of the comments:[9] "we need a larger audience, salaried employees of wikipedia, and I don't know how effective we can be against the current Turkish hatred"
- LouisAragon (talk) 19:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

That is concerning, although it remains to be seen if it even gets off the ground, as a subreddit with 2 posts that has existed for less than a day. It seems like they're planning on covering their tracks and taking the subreddit private based on responses in the first thread. This might be worth bringing to people's attention at WP:AN. signed, Rosguill talk 20:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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Russo-Ukrainian War redirect after move

Hey. Thanks for adding the DS/alert to the editor, I was in the process of doing that after making sure I'd cleaned up after the move. There was a redirect left after I moved the page back to the original target; Russian intervention in Ukrainian civil war. I was about to WP:G3 nominate it, but then I remembered the part of WP:CIVIL about referring to (potentially) good faith edits as vandalism. I'm not sure if I can WP:G6 it, because none of the four criteria for that apply. Do I need to RfD it or can I get away with a G3 in this case? Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Sideswipe9th, I think an RfD would be more appropriate here, since the case could be made that it is a valid redirect from a non-neutral name. signed, Rosguill talk 18:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Sounds good. Will do that now. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Done. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

abuse

I'm not really sure who to get assistance from on these matters as I'm still learning the reins of Wikipedia but a user keeps reverting the officeholder information of Vít Jedlička. Could you maybe check the talk page and review this? Thank you! MicroSupporter (talk) 15:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

MicroSupporter, slow down. You are pretty blatantly engaged in an edit war at that article, and are in direct violation of both WP:3RR and WP:BLPRESTORE; both of those are blockable offenses. The unfounded assertion that the other editor is acting out of bias, when it seems like they're just enforcing WP:BLP to the letter, could further be construed as a personal attack. Talk it through on the talk page and make a positive case for why the information you propose to be added should be added, which can then be discussed by other editors. signed, Rosguill talk 15:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I understand now. Thank you for your help. Still learning! MicroSupporter (talk) 15:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

How's your availability for NPP School?

What it says on the tin. I've been wanting to apply for the perm for a while (well before I hit 500 mainspace edits) but I don't think that I am perfectly fit for the role. Do you have a spot open?

Asparagusus (interaction) 02:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Asparagusus, I think I have the capacity to take you on. Is there anything in particular you'd like to focus on, or would you like the full course? signed, Rosguill talk 15:35, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I think in particular I have a problem with being bold. I often ignore problems because I'm worried I'll do something wrong. Other than that, the full course seems good. Thank you!
Asparagusus (interaction) 18:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Asparagusus, you can start anytime at User:Rosguill/Asparagusus NPPSCHOOL signed, Rosguill talk 22:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Pellumb Xhufi ?

Would it be possible to explain what you are asking us at DRN to do with respect to Pellumb Xhufi? The basic dispute appears to have to do with reliability of Xhufi as a source. That is normally a task for the reliable source noticeboard, but one of the parties posted an RFC there, and you recommended that they go to DRN. The other problem that I have is that this is a dispute with eight editors. I don't normally try to moderate cases with that many editors, because they are more appropriate for RFC, except that there are questions about whether the RFC is properly presented.

So what are you asking us to do at DRN with this dispute? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I was thinking that DRN could help identify what the main points of contention and pieces of evidence in support of the various perspectives are, while cutting down on irrelevant verbal sparring between the sides. Further discussion at RSN could also work, I was mostly trying to intervene against the convocation of an RfC at this time, which seems premature. signed, Rosguill talk 17:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm willing to try something that I haven't done before, and that is to moderate a discussion at RSN in the same way as I would normally moderate a discussion at DRN. DRN, at least as I try to work it, has to do with article content disputes. I will create a subpage for the discussion so that it doesn't clutter up RSN, which gets cluttered anyway. We can try that and see how well it works. I think that this is a type of dispute that we don't have much experience with. If you either agree or don't have an opinion, I will wait for the other editors to reply, and will then tell them that I am creating a subpage off of RSN. Is that all right? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Sounds like it's worth a shot to me. signed, Rosguill talk 18:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Because we get many types of disputes in Wikipedia, we sometimes need to experiment with slightly new methods of dispute resolution. This will be one. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I have started a subpage for discussion. Unless you ask me otherwise, I will post a mention of the discussion at RSN also, because it really is a sort of hybrid DRN/RSN thing. You are welcome of course to join in the discussion. I think that the discussion will result in an RFC at RSN, but first we want to get the issues defined clearly. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
I think that we need an English-language biography of Pellumb Xhufi and have asked them to clean up my machine-translation of his BLP from Albanian. I may be asking for your assistance again in a few days. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Robert McClenon, what kind of assistance are you expecting to need? signed, Rosguill talk 14:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I don't know. I haven't tried this sort of conflict resolution before. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Robert McClenon, skimming the discussion thus far, my sense is that the disputing parties' responses to your 5th prompt, asking for them to provide summaries of Xhufi's qualificattions or lack thereof, could provide a good basis for convening a more general RfC. For some reason, the pro-Xhufi camp has yet to make their case there. signed, Rosguill talk 22:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

alleged Florida voter fraud on Electoral fraud talk page

I feel like my intention in posting comment about claims of Florida voter fraud has been misconstrued.

I am not tryin to start a discussion about this topic per se, I'm trying to suggest that this is appropriate for incorporating into the article. I've include a brief overview and some pertinent details, based on what has been reported to date. Is there some reason that sort of content is not appropriate for an article talk page? Fabrickator (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I think you're mistaking me for Drmies, the editor that reverted you. My only involvement here is having been the last editor to edit the talk page before you did. signed, Rosguill talk 21:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Fabrickator, you did not include any secondary sourcing in there (and a link to a primary source isn't helpful), nor did I see anything in there that indicated you were suggesting a change to the article. I would add that what you were talking about there is probably way too detailed for a general, worldwide article on voter fraud. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for reviewing my redirect page!

Tise exists (cool) (talk) 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Your recent Xinjiang IC reversion

Hello,

While I understand it may not be mentioned in the article *yet*, that shouldn't be a call to revert - if anything, that should be a call to *add that information into the article*. Amyipdev (talk) 15:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Such a change would require citations to relevant RS, which were not provided with the edit. Moreover, my interest in the article is to maintain it in line with Wikipedia policies and ensure that editors are editing it in a collaborative fashion; I'm not particularly interested in rewriting the article. However, if you have the relevant sources, you're more than welcome to make changes. signed, Rosguill talk 15:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Okay, if I remember to when I get access back to my computer I will. If such is done would putting the electrical part back in the lead be appropriate? Amyipdev (talk) 15:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Not necessarily, only if the provided sources emphasize it as a particularly noteworthy element, and noting that the lead already mentions rape and torture. That having been said, I probably wouldn't get involved with that change, and would leave it for you to sort out with the other editors interested in the article. signed, Rosguill talk 15:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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Bold revert

Sir, I would like to know why the king Thor page wasn't eligible and reverted back? As per my understanding, the page was edited in a basic comic book character page. Please respond! Thank you! Lord kai07 (talk) 06:38, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

There's two issues: one is that you are edit warring against two other editors before I even arrived on the scene--you should primarily be discussing with them. However, to answer your question about the issue with the article, it needs significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources that address the character King Thor, not the comic book series King Thor. As written when I restored the redirect, the only source that would count towards that standard is this one, which is relatively weak as things go. An example of a better source would be something like this (for Superman). Also, please don't call me sir. signed, Rosguill talk 14:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. I actually didn't even realise that. Also When the other editors mentioned real world notability. I didn't knew what it meant. Sorry for the mistake. Is it possible to add better sources like this and revert the page back? Lord kai07 (talk) 13:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, if you can find multiple examples of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, you are encouraged to go ahead and recreate the article. signed, Rosguill talk 13:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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