User talk:RoySmith/Archive 60
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Dear Administrator, I would like to report somethjng.
Dear Editor, I want to inform that I first created an account two days ago after working as a non-member in a document related to my report. First, I am the same person with 106.255.241.210, which edited in the document that related to my report.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Milktaco/Archive
According to this link, I found that you are keeping an eye on the suspected suckpuppet, the user "Bestokuyam" and blockibg him as soon as he caughted.
And two days ago, I found a user "Olafugurfson" who are suspecteed as same person, the suckpuppets "Bestokuyam and Milktaco".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bestokuyam
This is the sockpippets man who you blocked 4 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Olafgurfson
And this new account is the suspected man that I want you to report.This account were created two months ago.
Besto and Olfu have almost identical editorial details. In particular, Olafu restored all the contributions of Besto.Such contributions were deleted by other users when Besto was captured and blocked four years ago in 2020. I mean, that was deleted four years ago, and most users didn't even know that such contributions were even existed past. And just last month, these contributed were mostly restored, which was added by Besto, in the link added above.
You can easily find those contributions at his personal page.
It's my first time editing Wikipedia and I doubt if I'm allowed to do this. If not, please forgive my disrespect.
I deleted the other pharases in my report.
Sbowman is pretending that im his alt, dont listen to him. what i wrote exposed his tactics of sockpuppetry and dishonesty, ill put it back up:
Sbowman3452 is a sock of the banned sockpuppet master Bablos939 and Marryhence both edited the same prostitution articles, Prostitution in Malaysia, they both are Korean nationalists who delete stuff about Korean prostitutes, they use the same broken english claimng wikipedia edits as "documents" and they both are obsessed with the same sockpuppet rivals, Milktaco (Rajmaan). Thats the evidence for them being the same
here they both refer to edits as "documents" using broken English with Korean grammar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sbowman3452&diff=prev&oldid=1219640894
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bablos939&diff=prev&oldid=982964134
Talk:Interracial_marriage/Archive_3#This_document_contains_false_information_about_Chinese_marriage.
Both Sbowman3452 and Bablos939 edited prostitution in Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Malaysia&diff=prev&oldid=945026534
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Malaysia&diff=prev&oldid=1219639041
both Sbowman3452 and Bablos939 are obsessed with Milktaco sockpuppet accounts and reverting their edits, while he is also a sockpuppet himself.
Sbowman3452 and his ip address 106.255.241.210 are not just deleting Olafgurfson edits, he deleted edits not done by Olafgurfson on Massage parlor and Prostitution in Asia, deleting stuff about Korean prostitutes, so Sbowman3452 is clearly not interested in deleting alleged sock edits but wants to delete everything about Korean prostitutes. He refused to address to John B123 on why he was deleting Korean prostitutes from Massage parlor, which was not made by Olafgurfson. He's pretending all the edits he are reverting are by Olafgurfson or Milktaco socks.
106.255.241.210
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massage_parlor&diff=prev&oldid=1219603047
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Asia&diff=prev&oldid=1219602464
Sbowman3452
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Asia&diff=prev&oldid=1219637409
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massage_parlor&diff=prev&oldid=1219639341
Bablos939 had a Seoul based ip address 116.123.12.44 helping him just like Sbowman3452 and his ip address 106.255.241.210 which is also in Seoul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Interracial_marriage&diff=prev&oldid=973452159
The editor Marryhence was obsessed with attacking Chinese women and calling Chinese women prositututes, using citations allegedly from the South Korean Ministry of Gender Equality & Family, typing in broken Korean style English
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_South_Korea&diff=prev&oldid=944340377
Sbowman3452 tries to delete material about Korean women being prostitutes by citing the South Korean Ministry of Gender Equality & Family,
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Asia&diff=prev&oldid=1219637409
Marryhence was obsessed with deleting edits about Chinese men interracial marriage
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage&diff=prev&oldid=905013760
Bablos939 was obsessed with deleting edits about Chinese men interracial marriage
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage&diff=prev&oldid=961273411
Marryhence edited claims that Chinese women are prostitutes in Malaysia
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Malaysia&diff=prev&oldid=944305449
Bablos939 edited claims that Chinese women are prostitutes in Malaysia (and was reverted for distorting the citation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Malaysia&diff=prev&oldid=945026534
Marryhence and Sbowman3452 both edited the prostitution in the United Arab Emirates article.
Sbowman3452 is also engaging in cross wiki vandalism, removing information on Korean prostitutes from Chinese wikipedia, German wikipedia and Russian wikipedia citing the same South Korean ministry that Marryhence cited for his edits on Prostitution in south Korea.
Those edits are totally unrelated to the account he is accusing of being a sock, just like his edits on English wikipedia at Massage Parlor and Prostitution in Asia. The commonality in all of his edits across his accounts is that he removes everything about Korean prostitutes.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Sbowman3452
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sbowman3452
Bablos939 and Sbowman3452 used similar language in their unblock requests, saying they are suffering from embarrassment or embarrassing. They speak in an identical manner using the same Korean broken English, same wrong terms in English, same grammar.
Also the part where he says he 'edited out other phrases in his report' is a lie, those were my words not his, everything you see above are my words: proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RoySmith&diff=prev&oldid=1219967803 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88thD (talk • contribs) 07:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bablos939&diff=prev&oldid=984533264
Sbowman is violating rules by deleting my posts, only you the talk page owner can do that to his own talk page
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sbowman3452&diff=prev&oldid=1219977559 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88thD (talk • contribs) 07:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Silly I've just signed up. I didn't know this wasn't allowed. If you give me a punishment, I'll take it.
- User:88thD, this is because you didn't use the "REPLY" feature. I was rather very offended that you were pretending to be me. From now on, use the REPLY feature. I sincerely apologize if this is wrong.
- Dear Roy, this user met me for the first time but is full of hate for me. Every claim this person makes is refuted in my user talk. Sir Roy smith, take a look at the report on the socks I made.
Regarding 88thD's claim, I hope you will come to my user talk page. And if this 88thD comes back, please guide him to my user talk page. And 88thD, if you see this, please come to my user talk. We are arguing in too many places.
- I reported to roy about the socks. I didn't really know I should rather explain that I'm not a sock. Anyway, stop arguing in roy's user talk Sbowman3452 (talk) 12:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Messy stuff
This has to do with the above section with Sbowman3452 accusing an editor of being a sock of Milktaco, which, given your subsequent block, you agreed with; and with 88thD accusing Sbowman of being a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bablos939.
I muddied the waters by blocking the two users as socks of each other because I misconstrued the history of their edits on this page. Once I realized my error, I unblocked them. However, I've since looked more at the accusations against Sbowman, and it looks correct to me. I realize the socks in that case are stale, and I doubt the CU logs would reveal anything useful, but I'm wondering two things. First, do you agree that behaviorally Sbowman is likely a sock of Bablos? And, second, regardless, do you think it's reasonable for me to block Sbowman based on my own assessment? I'm a little reluctant to block a user so soon after unblocking them, which is partly why I'm here. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Everything about the Bablos and Milktaco cases is a mess. My block of Olafgurfson was supported by technical evidence, but I didn't did much beyond that. To be honest, once it became clear that this was either multiple socks battling each other or just plain trolling, I lost interest in digging any deeper; it all just makes my head hurt and it's all pretty pointless anyway. RoySmith (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Notelist
I couldn't help but notice your comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Environmental damage of Gaza caused by the Israel–Hamas war regarding multiple references. What is your opinion of the notelist currently at Piri#Notes? I plan on renominating that article for FA when I have six GAs.--Launchballer 15:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Um, interesting? I don't think I've ever seen anybody do it that way before. It certainly addresses the specific issue I raised about knowing which reference to look at for which piece of information. As for whether the folks at WP:FAC will like it, I don't know; I've found that I'm often a poor predictor of what the FAC-osphere likes and doesn't like. My suggestion is to ask at WT:FAC. Or maybe @Gog the Mild might be willing to offer an opinion. RoySmith (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Normally I would just stick the reference next to the bit it cites, but that violates WP:REFPUNCT. I'll see if Gog the Mild responds here and if not I'll try at the talk page.--Launchballer 16:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the delay, I have been away. Personally I find the Piri approach irritating and unnecessary, which is not to say that whoever ends up source reviewing at FAC would oppose on the basis of it. What is wrong with the usual approach? Ie instead of note 1 have three separate cites, each in the appropriate place; as LB says. I fail to see how this violates WP:REFPUNC. (Which does not prohibit citing if there is no punctuation nearby, only placing the cite immediately before punctuation if any happens to be where the cite needs to be.) Gog the Mild (talk) 15:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- REFPUNCT (or CITEPUNCT) was raised as a concern at the first review, which (as you can probably tell) I remedied kicking and screaming. I think this could benefit from a wider hearing just in case I do get a reviewer bellyaching one way or another, but I need longer to form my argument.--Launchballer 15:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I assume you're talking about WP:Featured article candidates/Piri/archive1#BennyOnTheLoose? I think @BennyOnTheLoose misinterpreted MOS:CITEPUNCT. The point of
Refs are placed after adjacent punctuation
is "If there's adjacent punctuation, put the ref after it", not "refs must only be placed adjacent to punctuation. Benny wrote "it's really good for verifiability right now, but not so good for readability". IMO, verifiability is king and trumps all other concerns. If making it look prettier impacts verifiability, you're emphasizing the wrong thing. - As far as
MOS:SEAOFBLUE forbids adjacent links of any kind, even ref tags
, I think that's silly. The point of SEAOFBLUE is to make it obvious that there's multiple links. Oyster bar is visually identical to Oyster bar, and that's what we are trying to prevent. But this [1][2] is clearly two different links; the punctuation makes it obvious.
- I assume you're talking about WP:Featured article candidates/Piri/archive1#BennyOnTheLoose? I think @BennyOnTheLoose misinterpreted MOS:CITEPUNCT. The point of
- REFPUNCT (or CITEPUNCT) was raised as a concern at the first review, which (as you can probably tell) I remedied kicking and screaming. I think this could benefit from a wider hearing just in case I do get a reviewer bellyaching one way or another, but I need longer to form my argument.--Launchballer 15:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the delay, I have been away. Personally I find the Piri approach irritating and unnecessary, which is not to say that whoever ends up source reviewing at FAC would oppose on the basis of it. What is wrong with the usual approach? Ie instead of note 1 have three separate cites, each in the appropriate place; as LB says. I fail to see how this violates WP:REFPUNC. (Which does not prohibit citing if there is no punctuation nearby, only placing the cite immediately before punctuation if any happens to be where the cite needs to be.) Gog the Mild (talk) 15:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Normally I would just stick the reference next to the bit it cites, but that violates WP:REFPUNCT. I'll see if Gog the Mild responds here and if not I'll try at the talk page.--Launchballer 16:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ McGee, David. "King Street Oyster Bar". King Street Oyster Bar. Retrieved 22 May 2024.
- ^ "Grand Central Oyster Bar - New York, NY on OpenTable". OpenTable. Retrieved 22 May 2024.
RoySmith (talk) 18:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Noting and learning. I'd add - you don't have to do everything a reviewer suggests. I certainly don't. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll just add one more comment. There is value in making the citations easy on the eyes. If I've got a sentence that's chock full of citations after every other word, I'll try to find a way to rephrase things to avoid that. It's not just prettier, but it also makes it easier to rearrange the text later without breaking the text-to-source mappings. As with most things, it's a balance; the best thing is to find a way to be both easy to read and correct at the same time. But if push comes to shove and one has to give way to the other, "correct" should always come out on top. RoySmith (talk) 14:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi
I noticed you reverted me. Do you know where should I ask? --MikutoH talk! 01:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- You should read WP:DYKNEW and when you do, you will find that your article does not qualify for DYK. Schwede66 01:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was an accidental mis-click. I've put it back. RoySmith (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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After noticing the flag in the hover popup today, I had occasion to look at your previous userpage, for the first time in mumblety years. (Here is the link to the page in question, which your editnotice says applies to me, yes it does, really.)
I feel obligated to point out that you're missing several \]'s, which will likely make the display go all wonky if you try to edit a command that's long enough to wrap onto a second line. \[These\] need to go around all non-printing sequences, even the \e[0m-equivalents.
Also, if you're not putting your username@hostname/directory into your window title so it stands out as you alt-tab about, then you have no place claiming geekitude. Extra Internet points if, while the current command hasn't finished yet, you stick in its name and args and when it started there too.
Also also, you misspelled the section header. —Cryptic 14:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure knowing how to spell geekiness without google's help is disqualifying for the title. RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-22
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see T365107 and T365119.
- In March 2024 a new addPortlet API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and give feedback.
- Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes:
.collapsible,.multicol,.reflist,.coordinates,.topicon. Further details are available on replacement CSS if it is needed.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar). [40][41]
- When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules. [42]
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MediaWiki message delivery 00:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic)
| June 2: Hacking Sunday @ Prime Produce | |
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 You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Hacking Sunday at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well! The event runs for the whole day, though you are welcome to come by for as little or as long as you'd like. All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's Code of Conduct and Wikimedia's Technical Code of Conduct. A documentary filmmaker will be in attendance, working on Rabbit Hole, which aims to document Wikipedia's community to showcase how our network tackles important questions about how history is recorded. They will be in attendance to film snippets of this gathering for the documentary. It is completely optional to be a part of the film and there will be protocols in place if you wish to not be filmed. If there are any questions about the filming please reach out to the filmmaker, Meg Vatterott (meg.vatterott@gmail.com). Meeting info:
P.S. Next up will be Sat June 8 Wiknic on Governors Island! | |
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Disambiguation link notification for May 29
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Arthur O. Austin, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hubbell.
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I think it is time to revoke User:Rockingstar11234's talk page access because he has been recreating Vizag Victors hoax on his talk page and it is an miss use of his talk page while blocked. Untamed1910 (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
TFA
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Thank you today for Dorothy Olsen, "about Dorothy Olsen, who flew military planes during World War II as a civilian member of the Women Airforce Service Pilots, ferrying newly built fighters and bombers from their factories where they were built to their embarkation points to Europe or Russia."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-23
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- It is now possible for local administrators to add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without JavaScript. Documentation is available. [43]
- The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "
MediaWiki:Wikhiero-usage-tracking-category" to "MediaWiki:Wikihiero-usage-tracking-category". [44] - One new wiki has been created: a Wikipedia in Kadazandusun (
w:dtp:) [45]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 June. It will be on all wikis from 6 June (calendar). [46][47]
Future changes
- Next week, on wikis with the Vector 2022 skin as the default, logged-out desktop users will be able to choose between different font sizes. The default font size will also be increased for them. This is to make Wikimedia projects easier to read. Learn more.
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MediaWiki message delivery 22:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic
| June 8: Wiknic @ Governors Island | |
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 You are invited to the picnic anyone can edit on Governors Island, at 403 Colonels Row by the ArtCrawl Harlem house. This is a sequel event to the 2023 Governors Island Wiknic and will feature a workshop led by AfroCrowd at the ArtCrawl Harlem house. We'll also encourage collaboration for wiki-coverage of ArtCrawl Harlem's current exhibition at Governors Island. All are welcome, new and experienced! Bring a picnic blanket and some potluck, as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide sandwiches for everyone, and maybe some NYC pizza too, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those food cultural topics you would like to improve on Wikipedia. We'll also do a portal thing for a bit with West Coast friends at Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Wiknic2024. Saturday, June 8, 2024 NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island (RSVP on-wiki)
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Administrators' newsletter – June 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).
Administrator changes
Bureaucrat changes
Guideline and policy news
- Phase II of the 2024 RfA review has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in Phase I.
Technical news
- The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. T43351
Arbitration
- The arbitration case Venezuelan politics has been closed.
- The Committee is seeking volunteers for various roles, including access to the conflict of interest VRT queue.
Miscellaneous
- WikiProject Reliability's unsourced statements drive is happening in June 2024 to replace {{citation needed}} tags with references! Sign up here to participate!