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Happy editing! :Jay8g [V•T•E] 06:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Philip (Fyl) Pincus (June 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Umakant Bhalerao was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 10:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Biography

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Thanks for message. Please actually read what I have said above, the fact that he's obviously notable doesn't mean that you can write what you like. The comments also apply to Draft:Philip (Fyl) Pincus, but I've left that for now because it's a draft not yet submitted for review.

You had virtually no independent third-party sources, most of your references were his own papers and lists of his papers. The claim He was a Professor Emeritus of Physics at Tel Aviv University. is, strangely, sourced to an obituary notice from his family and friends, the exact opposite of a neutral source. A fair bit of your text is unsourced and appears to be your own commentary. Note that someone's own books and articles should almost never be used as references to themselves. They can be listed under "Publications" with no further referencing.

The tone is hagiographic, not encyclopaedic, with your opinions presented as fact provided insights into the nature of the pseudogap in these materials... his hallmark papers... represent significant milestones in his research career and have had a lasting impact on the field... This work provided valuable insights into the dynamics of film growth and its impact on the resulting film properties.... not only a brilliant scientist but also a dedicated leader and mentor... Many of his students went on to hold prominent positions in academia and industry in Israel and abroad... leaving behind a beloved family and a legacy of scientific achievement and a profound impact on the field of superconductivity.

You also have multiple in-text external links, mostly to sales sites, we are not here to sell his books.

You also haven't answered my COI query Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for message. I think that you are still missing the point that his own papers should not be used to reference themselves, just be listed in a Publications section. His notability depends on, as you correctly say, his academic positions, awards and prizes, and on what other people say about his research. The fact that a paper exists isn't notable in itself, it's what it leads to that matters. So the fact that they are highly cited by others makes him notable, not the fact that they exist, and therefore the papers are never suitable as a reference to themselves. I'll restore the text here shortly Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

See, for example Emma Louisa Turner#Publications Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Philip (Fyl) Pincus moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Philip (Fyl) Pincus. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability, you may have a possible Conflict of Interest and The article also needs to be edited to ensure a neutral tone in accorance with WP:NPOV. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 14:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you please comment where do you find problem. I referenced to highly cited, peer-reviewed scientific papers, published in reputed scientific journals demonstrating the credibility of the above scientists. You can also find Prof. Pincus whereabout online at the mentioned affiliations. If you can help us understand were exactly we need to mend the page this will be of great assistance Roy Beck (talk) 16:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Umakant Bhalerao so they see this. I think I've already addressed the main points above and on my talk page. They are the same problmes as with Deutscher. The refs are his own papers rather than independent sources, and the tone is adulatory rather than encyclopaedic. Also, don't move either page back to article space yourself without a review or consulting myself or Umakant Bhalerao since you have a COI Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi. When we cite the discoveries of scientists we usually cite the original papers to allow others to further learn in depth that topic. The credibility of those papers are given by the amount of independent other scientific papers that cited those original papers. For all the references I entered for both Deutscher and Pincus there are 100's of independent citations validating the credibility and importances of their discoveries. For example, please have a look on the wiki page of the Nobel laureate in physics Pierre Agostini. Most of the references there are of his own papers that made an impact. This can be seen for almost all scientists engage in hard core science and not PR and what other write about them...One last point, papers that are published in respectable journals goes through a harsh blind peer-review review making it credible and vetted by an independent source. I will tune the tone to be more encyclopaedic before submitting it for review. Roy Beck (talk) 07:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• You must remove external links from your text, especially links to the books. Either write them as text, or put them in a Publications section

• When you list his books, you must give the year, publisher and isbn number, but with no reference.
• I've changed "passed away " to "died", to save the bot the trouble

• Your draft will not be accepted with so much unreferenced text

• geni.com is not an acceptable source, my script red-lists it

• You don't have refs for stuff that makes him notable, like the honours and awards and leadership, even though you know one exists for "being elected as an IPS fellow in 2018 by the Israel Physical Society" because you had an external link (now removed) to the awarding body. Why didn't you make it a proper ref?

• Conversely, all his papers are referenced to themselves, rather than put in a Publications section as I keep saying. A self-reference is pointless, and doesn't make him notable, it's the bits you haven't referenced that do that. Journal articles, like books, just need listing, not referencing.

• When you are ready, add {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page and save. An uninvolved reviewer will then make a decision

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Guy Deutscher (physicist) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Guy Deutscher (physicist). Thanks! Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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Garsh (talk) 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)